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post #19306 of 37462
If you absolutely need something closed... and can be portable... I recommend the Soundmagic HP100 in your price range. Pair that with the E12 and your soundcard of choice... can't go wrong there.
post #19307 of 37462
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

If you absolutely need something closed... and can be portable... I recommend the Soundmagic HP100 in your price range. Pair that with the E12 and your soundcard of choice... can't go wrong there.

But the i assume they are better gaming wise, than the Q701 because they are 200$ and would still need an amp and sound card. 

post #19308 of 37462

Question: I currently have a pair of cheap Turtle Beach headsets plugged into my tv through a 3.5 jack to RCA adapter into the audio out on my tv. As stated previously in this thread I plan on buying a more expensive pair of headphones. What would I need to get better audio through my tv or should I just plug them into the  RCA audio out like I'm currently doing?

post #19309 of 37462
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Originally Posted by Railius View Post
 

But the i assume they are better gaming wise, than the Q701 because they are 200$ and would still need an amp and sound card. 

 

I'm gonna speak for Change here, and possibly be wrong, but the HP100 are not better for gaming than the Q701. He was recommending them if closed was a requirement. Open is always better than closed for gaming. You'll need a sound card regardless and many headphones you'll find tossed around this thread sound better with an amp.

post #19310 of 37462
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Originally Posted by Railius View Post
 

I definitely want surround sound, that's the main reason of why im buying headphone/set thing is that i dont want to buy something to improve later on, i want to buy good gear and then later on buy what's needed.. will i get a better sound with a very good card like STX - Titanium HD or Asus Phoebus with a Headphone/set with no amp?

 

I didnt want a headphone at first, i wanted headset because the main purpose is for gaming, but IF im buying a headphone (nomic) then it would be better to be one that i can use outside.. If it wont be good to play outside then ill just save the money and buy a headset..

 

Card + headphone/set 

or it'll be better the 3 of them..

 

I want something portable, because i wont be always on a PC sometimes i play on a laptop.. What do you think of those Sennheiser USB 7.1 DOlby.. ? 

 

 

You won't get better sound with a higher end soundcard as the Magni amp is already at least equal too if not better than the amps in the Titanium HD or Phoebus. 

 

However, if you do get a higher end soundcard do NOT also buy a Magni because you will be wasting your money paying twice for two amps when you only need one.  So get one or the other.  If it were me I would go with the Magni amp + cheaper soundcard personally.  A good desktop amp will last you longer than soundcard as the latter can become outdated if and when new DSPs come out.  A solid desktop amp won't go out of date. It's also more versatile as you can move it around and use it with any source, something which is more difficult to do with an internal soundcard.

 

The reason a headphone is recommened over a headset is because your getting more sound for your money.  It's the same reason people recommend building your own computer Vs. buying a prebuilt one.  You get more performance and a lower price simultaneously.  This is exactly the case for the G4ME ZERO.  The Q701 is simply a better headphone, AND it's cheaper.  If you want to spend more money on a G4ME ZERO and it get something that doesn't sound as good as a Q701, that's up to you.  IMO the only two higher end headsets worth looking at are the PC360 the MMX300.

 

The only difference between a headset and headphones is one comes with a pre-attached mic.  You can easily stick a mic on a pair of headphones if you need too (antlion modmic).  The reason headphones can leak more than headsets is because the good ones are often OPEN.  Most headsets are CLOSED, which is why they have a smaller more claustrophbobic soundstage and don't do as well for gaming.  The PC360s (and G4ME ONE) are open, and they leak just as much as the Q701s, so you won't be able to use them in public either. 

 

 

Your asking for too much in ONE headphone, trying to get something that's amazing for gaming, is easily portable, can be used in public (no leakage), and matches your PC color scheme. 

 

You can go for a closed headphone like Change suggested, but don't expect to find a closed headphone that sounds on-par with the Q701 for gaming in this price range.


Edited by chicolom - 12/23/13 at 4:20pm
post #19311 of 37462

Some of you guys are mixing up the G4ME ZERO and the G4ME ONE, the latter is the rebranded (supposedly) PC360 and is an open design with velour pads.

The ZERO is a closed design with pleather earcups and are sound isolating, so if anything it's a refreshed PC 350 SE.

I went ahead and splurged on the ZERO, it's out of stock on Amazon now, I just wanted this during the holidays and frankly as long as they sound good for a closed design paired with a SoundBlaster Omni then I am happy.

post #19312 of 37462
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Originally Posted by ABK792 View Post
 

Question: I currently have a pair of cheap Turtle Beach headsets plugged into my tv through a 3.5 jack to RCA adapter into the audio out on my tv. As stated previously in this thread I plan on buying a more expensive pair of headphones. What would I need to get better audio through my tv or should I just plug them into the  RCA audio out like I'm currently doing?


Get some sort of dac that works through optical to rca.. I use a console over optical to my r dac then rca out on the r dac to my sennheiser u320's(the headset has a usb headphone amp)..but you can get a cheaper dac like a fiio and it will still sound good!


Edited by martin vegas - 12/23/13 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by DrunkenTiger View Post
 

Some of you guys are mixing up the G4ME ZERO and the G4ME ONE, the latter is the rebranded (supposedly) PC360 and is an open design with velour pads.

The ZERO is a closed design with pleather earcups and are sound isolating, so if anything it's a refreshed PC 350 SE.

 

You're right.  My mistake.  :o

 

G4ME ZERO = PC350.

G4ME ONE = PC360.

 

I stand by everything else I said though.


Edited by chicolom - 12/23/13 at 4:27pm
post #19314 of 37462
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Originally Posted by SaLX View Post
 

Loving my new Philips X1 out of my SBZ - great set of phones - but the bass is a bit sloppy on some tracks I'm afraid. New cable coming soon. Still though.. could happily listen to them all day. One thing.. was lazily watching DayZ: SA twitch earlier, and in stereo - it's really good - even the cues at 5 and 7 O'clock. Sweet as.

 

One thing though.. I've got a bit of hearing damage (peskie crewing for bands in my youth), therefore I really ought to have got myself a bright set of phones (if indeed they would help at all). Basically my ears naturally roll off the treble - not hugely - but enough to notice, and the X1's are a slightly muffled to me up there. A Sabre Compass 2 is winging it's way toward me atm, but I never thought they'd really help too much with the X1's (it's a purchase for the future). Maybe I ought to grab a pair of DT 990's or equivelent.. I'd be willing to pay more if it does the trick - any ideas???.. do AKG's have better treble - I mean distinctly better??  Has to be good at games ofc :redface: 

 

Glad to hear you enjoying the X1.  :beerchug:

 

The X1 does slightly roll parts of the treble.  Not a huge deal or anything.  If your looking to try something with more treble, you might want to pass on the AKGs though.  While they have slightly less rolled of treble and a bit better extension, they still have some warmth to their treble and they won't sound that different from the X1 - so I wouldn't say they are distinctly better.  They get also lot of their brightness from their forward upper mids.  It might be better to go up a notch to something brighter. 

 

DT990 was too bright for me personally, and I thought they had a funky timbre.  HE400 had a much more reasonable balance while still keeping bright-ish treble.  I just didn't love their mids and thought they were a tad recessed there.  HE500 may fix that mid issue though.  I though HE400 was OK for gaming, but it didn't really wow me. It wasn't quite as nice as X1 or AKGs IMO. 

 

The T90 is bright sounding and has a really great soundstage for gaming.  The T90 has TONS of air.  It may be the airiest headphone I've heard.   It actually has a bit too much air though (and I love air).  The treble isn't spikey, it's just broadly pushed forward above everything which makes a lot of stuff sound too dry.  It's a shame, because apart from the forward treble it's actually a lovely headphone.  It has an exceptionally good soundstage, is very comfy, and if you EQ the treble down some the bass and mids are actually quite nice and with impressive technicalities.  It's also the most detailed and resolving headphone I've personally owned.  In the end though, the treble was too forward and I was always wanting to EQ it down, so I had to let it go.

 

It sounds like Change's Shure 1840s are also pretty nice and with some clear treble.  I think their signature would be slightly leaner and more neutral than I'd personally prefer, and also their soundstage is probably a tad more intimate than what I look for.  But otherwise they seem solid.

 

The TH600 will have more treble than the X1s while keeping a similar "fun" signature.  Should have less sloppy bass, but I'm not sure how the quantities will differ (I imagine the TH600 will have more).  The TH600 is still on my list of headphones I want to try.


Edited by chicolom - 12/23/13 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

 

You won't get better sound with a higher end soundcard as the Magni amp is already at least equal too if not better than the amps in the Titanium HD or Phoebus. 

 

However, if you do get a higher end soundcard do NOT also buy a Magni because you will be wasting your money paying twice for two amps when you only need one.  So get one or the other.  If it were me I would go with the Magni amp + cheaper soundcard personally.  A good desktop amp will last you longer than soundcard as the latter can become outdated if and when new DSPs come out.  A solid desktop amp won't go out of date. It's also more versatile as you can move it around and use it with any source, something which is more difficult to do with an internal soundcard.

 

The reason a headphone is recommened over a headset is because your getting more sound for your money.  It's the same reason people recommend building your own computer Vs. buying a prebuilt one.  You get more performance and a lower price simultaneously.  This is exactly the case for the G4ME ZERO.  The Q701 is simply a better headphone, AND it's cheaper.  If you want to spend more money on a G4ME ZERO and it get something that doesn't sound as good as a Q701, that's up to you.  IMO the only two higher end headsets worth looking at are the PC360 the MMX300.

 

The only difference between a headset and headphones is one comes with a pre-attached mic.  You can easily stick a mic on a pair of headphones if you need too (antlion modmic).  The reason headphones can leak more than headsets is because the good ones are often OPEN.  Most headsets are CLOSED, which is why they have a smaller more claustrophbobic soundstage and don't do as well for gaming.  The PC360s (and G4ME ONE) are open, and they leak just as much as the Q701s, so you won't be able to use them in public either. 

 

 

Your asking for too much in ONE headphone, trying to get something that's amazing for gaming, is easily portable, can be used in public (no leakage), and matches your PC color scheme. 

 

You can go for a closed headphone like Change suggested, but don't expect to find a closed headphone that sounds on-par with the Q701 for gaming in this price range.

 

 

Very good answer :D you really help me out there and yea.. im asking a lot i know, in case i go with the Q701 wich "cheap" card would you recommend? maybe the ASUS D1?

 

I would go Magni + Q701 + the sound card you recommend OR

PC360 + Soundcard with amp or

Maybe PC360 with amp and cheap card (with the idea to use them on laptops.)

post #19316 of 37462
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Originally Posted by martin vegas View Post
 


Get some sort of dac that works through optical to rca.. I use a console over optical to my r dac then rca out on the r dac to my sennheiser u320's(the headset has a usb headphone amp)..but you can get a cheaper dac like a fiio and it will still sound good!

Would this do the job? http://www.amazon.com/Orei-DA21X-Premium-Converter-Headphone/dp/B00F4ORTZ6/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

post #19317 of 37462
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I'd go with a Fiio D3 over that DAC. Right around the same price.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

You're right.  My mistake.  :o

 

G4ME ZERO = PC350.

G4ME ONE = PC360.

 

I stand by everything else I said though.

The PC363d is a PC360 with a usb soundcard? the mic and drivers are the same? 

 

(Sorry if this was already asked)

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Originally Posted by Railius View Post

 

Very good answer :D you really help me out there and yea.. im asking a lot i know, in case i go with the Q701 wich "cheap" card would you recommend? maybe the ASUS D1?

 

I would go Magni + Q701 + the sound card you recommend OR

PC360 + Soundcard with amp or

Maybe PC360 with amp and cheap card (with the idea to use them on laptops.)

 

For internal cards, I would say the Xonar DGX is the cheapest route.  I'm not sure why PurpleAngel is recommending the Xonar D1.  He's more familiar with Asus cards, so maybe he knows something I don't, but AFAIK both cards feature the SAME Dolby Headphone DSP and both have optical outputs.  The DS1 costs twice as much as the DGX though.  If your going with the Magni, it makes sense to go with the cheapest soundcard option as you don't want to waste money on it's internal amp.  You'll only be using the soundcard to do the processing, not the amping - if you already have a Magni.

 

If you go the Magni route, don't forget about the FiiO D3K.  This is an external optical DAC that you would put between whichever soundcard you get and the Magni.  It lets you take a straight digital signal out of the soundcard to feed the amp.   You can skip it if you want, but it may improve the sound a tad over taking an analog signal straight from the soundcard.

 

 

 

  • If you get the Q701, I would get what I said before, which is  Q701 + Magni + FiiO D3K + Sound Blaster Z (OEM version) OR Xonar DGX.  You hook them up in that order.
     
  • If you get the PC360, I'm not sure I would get a Magni as a soundcard may be good enough to amp them by itself. 
     
  • If you want to get a soundcard that you can use also use on laptops, then you should look at the Xonar U3 (Dolby Headphone) or the Sound Blaster Omni (SBX Pro).  These are little USB soundcards that offer the same virtual surround sound.  They have wimpy amps though, so you'll probably want a FiiO D3k + Magni to go with them.

 

 

Keep in mind I'm not going to tell you which surround sound DSP to go with, because that's highly subjective and up to your personal preference.  I would listen to some Dolby Headphone or SBX pro demos to see which you prefer.

 

 

 

post #19320 of 37462
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Originally Posted by Nhilzen View Post
 

The PC363d is a PC360 with a usb soundcard? the mic and drivers are the same? 

 

(Sorry if this was already asked)

 

Correct.

 

I remember when it first came out it literally said it was a "special edition of the P360" on the product page.  Sennheiser has since changed the pages to make them more ambiguous.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-9-2-2013-sony-ma900-added/12975#post_9355872

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