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post #1921 of 37294

So let's say for the sake of argument that you're inclined towards having terrible upgrade-itis and you're thinking about getting a really good pair of cans. *whistles nonchalantly*

 

Said headphones would see the majority of their use to watch movies and will also be pressed into service to play games. Music comes a distant third. Given that, of the big boys, which would be the one to go for out of the:

HD800

LCD-2

T1

AH-D7000

ATH-W5000

PS1000

Edition 8

 

My gut tells me that the legendary soundstage of the HD800 would make them the 'ridiculously high-priced headphone of choice' for gaming. Thoughts?

post #1922 of 37294

But what does your gut say about their primary use for movies? Would that mean you want a bit more bassy rumble than the 800 typically provide?

post #1923 of 37294

If you watch all your movies from your PC (like I happen to do) it won't be hard to EQ all the bass you need in to the HD800s.  I've read they respond rather well to it.  If you don't, then the LCD-2 would be a lot better for movies since its bass is pretty much bottomless to begin with.

 

OTOH, a decent hardware EQ will probably be cheaper than buying both 'phones and its a lot harder to add better soundstage with a DSP than it is to add bass with an EQ.

post #1924 of 37294

Hmmm...possibly, but on the other hand I've never been a huge bass guy - for example, I use AD900s as my portable phones, which most people find quite bass-anemic. While I admittedly could use a little more bass out of them, the soundstage more than makes up for it as far as I'm concerned - which is what makes me think that the HD800s might have the kind of signature that I'd prefer in the high-end cans.

 

(Before it's said, I know my best bet is to go and listen to these in person, but it's just not an option. The last time I got to do that, there was a 2,500km flight involved.)

 

Edit: maverickronin, that's what I was thinking, that bass could be added via a preamp/amp if need be.


Edited by Psychochink - 7/21/11 at 12:00am
post #1925 of 37294

I'd get the Ed. 8 if it was mainly for movies and games.You still get regular S-Logic, a headphone that is driven easily,portable,  awesome bass for a great foundation for movies and games-and perhaps the sexiest headphone ever made! The T1 and HD800 might be better for games, but doubtful for movies imo. But of course I haven't heard any of them so TAKE THAT ha!

 

-Daniel

 

edit: It's SOOOOOOO annoying to have to freaking reload this webpage in order to edit a post you JUST posted. Sorry that's pissed me off too many times to count, along with about a hundred other things this website can't seem to do properly. And no, I don't feel better. Yes I'm tired and grumpy.


Edited by BournePerfect - 7/21/11 at 1:14am
post #1926 of 37294

So my 900s arrived, and umm...either I received a defective pair, or these really require an amp.  I have them plugged into my PC and have both the MPC-HT volume as well as the system volume up to 100% and it's still approximately at a 30% overall lower volume than what I typically have it at.  I can hear everything just fine so far, and I already knew ahead of time that these had a different volume level than what most people may be used to when listening to headphones, but I typically have my system volume set to 25% - 30%.  There's a huge gulf happening.  Of course, the mix of the soundtrack also matters.  I have a few movies that sound "louder" by default.


I'm also not honestly hearing the supposed awesome bass that's fantastic for some and overbearing to others.  It sounds barely like a step above my HD280s for bass, no lie. **edit** Ok, I am actually hearing some noticeable differences in certain parts ***  Seperation wise it's good, especially in Dolby Headphone--the virtual speakers definitely sound slightly more distant from one another.

 

I wonder if it's a problem with the default screw in cables that came with them.  At first I tried using the straight cord--and I had also already read about the issues some people had with them and how to screw them in correctly--but it simply was not working right.  The screw threads never "locked" letting me know to stop screwing...it just kept turning.  After my fourth attempt, they finally screwed in correctly.  The coiled cord worked fine on my first attempt and with less pressure.

 

No, I do not have silver pads--they don't come with any.  Even if I did, I am 100% sure those are not going to cause such a drastic shift in overall volume.  Also, if mine are actually working correctly and these really do have "too much" bass for some people--I have no idea what they are used to listening to.  Because it sounds like how the bass should sound with a properly equalized soundtrack for movies and games.  However, I do understand complaints about it making the mids muddy sounding.  Of course, since these are fresh out of the box, there has been literally no burn in--whether or not that's more than just a placebo effect or not remains to be seen though.  I can see how a better material for the pads would affect it though.  I think these leak too much, because when I press the headphones more against my ears, the bass really starts to shine MUCH MORE than with the default black pads.

 

Heh--here's the song you play when you want to demo DNB and metal at the same time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg8NmZ3H0RA.  The 900s definitely do a good job with that, although the highs are quite sibilant or mechanical sounding.


Edited by Sanctuary - 7/21/11 at 10:42am
post #1927 of 37294

sup gamers 

 

im looking to get a astros mix amp im thinking wireless. anyone against it? and can provide a good enough reason other than saving 10$ in getting the wired one. I currently have the razer chimaera 5.1 which runs 5.8 and it sounds clear and i hear no hiss or white noise...but im kind of headphone less now...so im looking to get the astros mixamp and get a pair of gaming headphones where i can switch between console gaming and laptop use like music, skype, youtube easily 

 

my budget is 250$ including the astros mixamp which is 145 shipped...so a 100$ pair of headphones which i would prefer to buy on amazon cause i have credit to spend on there

 

id want it 80% gaming 20% music, movies, and internet use i listen to hip hop when i do listen to music 

 

id want it for mainly fps...mw2 the upcoming mw3 and bf3...it doesnt have to have a mic cause ill just purchase one of those clip ones and plug it to the mixamp but if it has one its a major plus 

 

 

post #1928 of 37294

Sanctuary:

 

    I can positively blow my eardrums out using an iPod...make sure the pads are actually screwed on tight because mine literally fell off once or twice. You might take them off and put them back on securely just to make sure. Just push in the entire cup at once, evenly, and twist clockwise to put them on. There's no way they shouldn't get extremely loud out of anything you plug them into. I don't know what kind of soundcard you're using or anything, but maybe the volume issue has something to do with that. Try them straight from an iPod and see how the volume is then. 

 

     Also, something tells me you were trying to screw in the wrong end of the cord for a while lol. Look at it-one end has threads to screw it into the cup) and the other is for the amp jack.It only takes minimal pressure to get it in, I can't believe people still have issues with that, sorry lol.

    

    And something is positively wrong if the bass is lacking-and I don't care if you're comparing it to Darths, LCD2s, XB500s, DT 990s or whatever. It hangs with all of those and bests most of them. Seriously...check and make sure the pads are all the ways on. If even one tab isn't securely fastened, it will drastically change the sound sig, and probably the overall volume.

 

    And let them burn in obviously. The biggest area of improvement that came from that, imo, is that the mids were brought forward a little more. They need a LOT of burn in (400 hours) to settle in, but there's a noticeable improvement after a day or two. Keep in mind the sibilance and metallic highs never went away for me, but I believe that's where a recable and more than likely a powerful, slightly warm amp would help the most.

 

 

JBG1:If your budget is at $100 for the headphones, then you have pretty much one option: the AD700s. End of story. Plus they are always available on Amazon for roughly $90.

 

-Daniel

 

 


Edited by BournePerfect - 7/21/11 at 2:32pm
post #1929 of 37294
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbg1 View Post

sup gamers 

 

im looking to get a astros mix amp im thinking wireless. anyone against it? and can provide a good enough reason other than saving 10$ in getting the wired one. I currently have the razer chimaera 5.1 which runs 5.8 and it sounds clear and i hear no hiss or white noise...but im kind of headphone less now...so im looking to get the astros mixamp and get a pair of gaming headphones where i can switch between console gaming and laptop use like music, skype, youtube easily 

 

my budget is 250$ including the astros mixamp which is 145 shipped...so a 100$ pair of headphones which i would prefer to buy on amazon cause i have credit to spend on there

 

id want it 80% gaming 20% music, movies, and internet use i listen to hip hop when i do listen to music 

 

id want it for mainly fps...mw2 the upcoming mw3 and bf3...it doesnt have to have a mic cause ill just purchase one of those clip ones and plug it to the mixamp but if it has one its a major plus 

 

 


I would stay away from the AD700s if you listen to hip hop.  Seriously.  You need at least some bass for that.  They're soundstage is phenomenal though.

 

The wireless mixmap is fine.  Go with that.  I think the Astro A30 +mixamp 5.8 bundle might be good for you because they should have stronger bass for hip-hop and are good for switching back and forth from gaming/PC/Phone/Skype/etc.

I've never heard them though, and there weakness would undoubtelly have to be their soundstage.  Some AVS forum people like them though, as well as akaTrent who has heard his fair share of gaming headsets

 

You could go for those Refurbed PC360s  (^previous page or so) if they still have them.

 

 

 

post #1930 of 37294

I agree the AD700s are terrible for pretty much anything other than classical imo, but he did say these are primarily (80%) for gaming.

 

-Daniel

post #1931 of 37294
Quote:
Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

Sanctuary:

 

    I can positively blow my eardrums out using an iPod...make sure the pads are actually screwed on tight because mine literally fell off once or twice. You might take them off and put them back on securely just to make sure. Just push in the entire cup at once, evenly, and twist clockwise to put them on. There's no way they shouldn't get extremely loud out of anything you plug them into. I don't know what kind of soundcard you're using or anything, but maybe the volume issue has something to do with that. Try them straight from an iPod and see how the volume is then. 

 

     Also, something tells me you were trying to screw in the wrong end of the cord for a while lol. Look at it-one end has threads to screw it into the cup) and the other is for the amp jack.It only takes minimal pressure to get it in, I can't believe people still have issues with that, sorry lol.

    

    And something is positively wrong if the bass is lacking-and I don't care if you're comparing it to Darths, LCD2s, XB500s, DT 990s or whatever. It hangs with all of those and bests most of them. Seriously...check and make sure the pads are all the ways on. If even one tab isn't securely fastened, it will drastically change the sound sig, and probably the overall volume.

 

    And let them burn in obviously. The biggest area of improvement that came from that, imo, is that the mids were brought forward a little more. They need a LOT of burn in (400 hours) to settle in, but there's a noticeable improvement after a day or two. Keep in mind the sibilance and metallic highs never went away for me, but I believe that's where a recable and more than likely a powerful, slightly warm amp would help the most.

 

 



You can't screw in the wrong end of the cord.  Like I said, I already knew ahead of time what to look for due to the other issues people had already posted.  There's only one threaded end.  The issue is that you have to jam the plug up almost to the point in where you would be pushing the protective plastic into the hole, scraping it.  I posted more about the issues I'm having in the dedicated 900 thread.  I've had them plugged into my PC, directly into my Cowon S9 and my Pioneer box.  The Cowon gets plenty loud at 35% and my PC between 50% - 100% (really depends on the soundtrack).  Volume is the least of my concerns with these headphones though.  I also knew about the ear pad issue--they are both securely in place.

As far as gaming goes, they have excellent positional qualities--but that's about the only thing I can really praise them for.  Much of the subtle nuances are covered up by a huge quilt.  I've also seen elsewhere about how these function better with a tube amp, but good tube amps are not cheap.  And again, it's quite ridiculous to have to spend a minor fortune just to make certain headphones sound good when you could have just picked up a better pair for less overall cost.


Edited by Sanctuary - 7/21/11 at 4:41pm
post #1932 of 37294

Well it sounds like you've done your research...which also means you know to burn them in...considerably. wink.gif With that in mind, give them a few days of constant burn-in and see what you think. Mine definitely sounded their worst right out of the box with quite an improvement just a day later (constant burn in) iirc. However, the bass was incredible out of the box, but a few users have mentioned here that the bass tends to pull a disappearing act sometimes during burn-in. These headphones really reminded me of my K702-out of the box I hated them (moreso with the AKG though), but both developed into some of my favorite headphones after substantial physical (not cognitive) burn in! Burn them in LOUD too, that seems to help more ime.These 2 headphones WILL make you see the effects of burn in, with these at least!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

-Daniel

post #1933 of 37294
Ok I've just finished reading through this whole thread, and am still having trouble coming to a conclusion. I'm a college student soon to be making the move from a rent house to an apartment, so I'm going to have to ween myself off of my wall shaking stereo setup and start using headphones for my movies, music, and gaming.. and I was hoping to find one for everything if possible. Gaming is the most important aspect, but dont want to sacrifice too much in other areas. I listen to a pretty wide variety of music, including dubstep, so bass performance is important.

So far from what I've read, the 990s or Pro900s seem like my best bet, but still a few things that concern me. Whenever I'm gaming I'm usually also on ventrilo, whether its related to the game or not. Will the focus on bass and treble of these sets drown out voice chat, I dont want something where I have to turn game volume to a whisper just to here what people are saying. Also whatever I get I will be using for a lot, so it needs to be something that stays comfortable over long periods.

So are one of these want I want, or should I look elsewhere? Would I be better off getting something just for games/movies and using something else for music? The only other high end thing I own are IE8s and I love them if that helps.
post #1934 of 37294

Just an update for clarification: the 900s sound really good when amplified.  I've been able to hear what they sound like with a pseudo headphone amp, and there's a world of difference between hooking them up to onboard sound, or directly to an MP3 player, or even a DAC/Amp combo (less with this, but still has an effect) compared to amping them or having a dedicated sound card.  Some people have made claims that they sound good without amping, and maybe they do later on down the road--but they sure as hell benefit from an amp initially.

For just games, these are absolutely phenomenal.  For movies (so far) there's still some up and down volume adjusting for dialogue, but everything else sounds stellar--especially punches and explosions.  Whoever said explosions sound like explosions wasn't exaggerating--they have to be heard to be believed. dt880smile.png


Edited by Sanctuary - 7/22/11 at 10:59am
post #1935 of 37294

Hello everybody, my first post! :)

 

Mad Lust Envy told in his review that Audio Technica ATH-AD700 and Sennheiser PC 360 are the best for gaming. But can you tell which one is better?

 

Of cource PC 360 has a mic but let's not focus on that. PC 360 is also quite a bit more expensive, but may fit better for me because I don't a have a big head. (I've heard that AD700 is a very large headset and isn't comfortable for smaller heads...)

 

But what I want to hear is that which one has better audio for fps-gaming. I'm looking for the best.

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