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post #1771 of 37283
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6.3mm for all my headphones. The 3.5mm jack sounds inferior with every headphone I've used.
post #1772 of 37283

Just bought a limited edition MW3 Stax-SR009 to use for gaming with the new $2k microphone that can pick up and be very DETAILED like the headphone for up to 2000 yards.  Can't wait.  Noobs eat my shorts.

 

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Wow..I never really appreciated soundstage in headphones until I received a pair of ATH-M50s and compared them to my AD700s using my receiver's surround sound virtualization(Probably Dolby Headphone o.O.)

Using the M50s in surround mode sounds pretty much like regular stereo, where everything has not much distance and sound effects beside me are much more audible than sounds in front/behind.

But when I switch to my AD700s, everything becomes completely different..in Red Faction: Guerrilla, I can hear every colonists' footsteps as they walk by, and vehicles in the distance... It just blows me away.

 

It's quite funny, because in some games like Quake 4, you can tell that a number of sound effects aren't really coming from where they're supposed to be. An enemy will be teleporting in nearby, but the sound instead is coming from right where you are.

Bah, I'm rambling.

I'm just so amazed by the AD700s with surround virtualization.

 

So with that, I want to thank you, Mad Lust Envy; For this fantastic guide you wrote. I actually find it to be quite professional.

 

 

And also, I just want to address something weird I've noticed with my surround emulator. It seems that nearby sounds are much more quiet than anything further away. Which makes it so that whenever I'm reloading a gun, it's very faint. Is it the same for you guys?

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You my friend are missing out.  DH and surround sound on a receiver are two TOTALLY different things.  In fact i find surround sound to be quite confusing and makes no sense to me. 

DH on the other hand is an amazing experience. The easiest way to explain it would be to tell you what it's not.  

What it's not: When listening to a regular headphone, lets say without any soundstage(m50,) you have a simple headphone.  For the most part you can actually sense the presence of the driver next to your ear. That can be alright for music ( i dislike it), but for games and movies it's a no no.

What it is.  Now imagine that you're part of a movie or a video game and you hear someone reloading a gun in a room next to you.  Now because of the effortlessness involved in hearing something in real life and knowing where it came from degree and depth wise you laugh and shoot them through the wall.  HAHA, they're dead.

That is dolby headphone.  Mixed with the right headphone, you become embodied in the game and forget you're even wearing headphones.

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I need to get a Mixamp one of these days o.o.. I can only wonder what the true potential of Dolby Headphone can sound like when matched with the AD700.

And I wonder if they have/are ever going to make a game where you can't hear things through walls, haha. It reminds me of Quake, where you can hear enemies across entire maps =P.

 

The thing I find most interesting about emulated surround sound is how it allows you to hear the environment around you; Like sounds echoing off of walls and such..Like you're really in the game.

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Blanket statements like that are the reason there is so much misinformation out there.  In the case of my receiver, you couldn't be more wrong -- and I have an Astro mixamp to compare to so I'm not just talking out of my ass either.  My receiver is a 10+ year old Sony with what Sony calls "headphone theater" and the sound quality blows away what I get from my mixamp  On top of that, I can eq the sound to fit my needs/desires and I can adjust the soundstage as well.  Don't get me wrong, the mixamp is a great product and I'm not knocking it in any way but it just can't compete -- it is simply outclassed.  Since I began gaming with my receiver as the source, my mixamp has been relegated to "playing with friends duty" for it's voice chat abilities.  Any other time, the receiver is the obvious choice. 

 

Now, to be completely fair, this is not really an apples to apples comparison.  My receiver cost me FAR more than the mixamp so imo it's not really fair to expect the mixamp to be able to compete. 
 

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Originally Posted by NewMACAdress View Post

You my friend are missing out.  DH and surround sound on a receiver are two TOTALLY different things.  In fact i find surround sound to be quite confusing and makes no sense to me. 

DH on the other hand is an amazing experience. The easiest way to explain it would be to tell you what it's not.  

What it's not: When listening to a regular headphone, lets say without any soundstage(m50,) you have a simple headphone.  For the most part you can actually sense the presence of the driver next to your ear. That can be alright for music ( i dislike it), but for games and movies it's a no no.

What it is.  Now imagine that you're part of a movie or a video game and you hear someone reloading a gun in a room next to you.  Now because of the effortlessness involved in hearing something in real life and knowing where it came from degree and depth wise you laugh and shoot them through the wall.  HAHA, they're dead.

That is dolby headphone.  Mixed with the right headphone, you become embodied in the game and forget you're even wearing headphones.


 

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Originally Posted by Jae304 View Post

....My receiver is a 10+ year old Sony with what Sony calls "headphone theater" and the sound quality blows away what I get from my mixamp  On top of that, I can eq the sound to fit my needs/desires and I can adjust the soundstage as well....


I am using a Sony receiver as well, with "headphone theater." But mine doesn't have the soundstage adjustment. That actually sounds really useful.

Hmm..I wonder the output impedance is from a home theater receiver. Probably more powerul than a PC's integrated sound-chip?

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My receiver has Headphone surround sound and while it opens the sound up and gives positional ques it makes everything sound like it's coming from the same depth.  I have a Denon avr-391. Either way normal surround mode for headphones is no where near as good as DH.  I never said anything about "headphone theater"

 

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Your receiver probably does decode Dolby but surround sound mode  is a moc dolby  that does not use the dolby decoder.  If it did it would be called Dolby Headphone.  Maybe their are different names for Dolby Headphone but i would think that to be Copyright infringement considering it's decoding Dolby.  Ask anyone to turn  surround sound mode on their receiver and then back to Dolby Prologic and they will tell you that SSM is worthless. 

 

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HRTFs are not one size fits all product.  Some people will legitimately have better results with one over the other due to differences in anatomy.  There's no need to start a holy war over which one works best for you.

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I currently own a pair of GameCom 367s that I use with my PC and Ps3 with a RCA to 3.5mm adapter. I'm thinking about upgrading my headset soon, nothing expensive, maybe a max budget of around $70 (this is later though). As for one, I'm considering buying a Turtle Beach DSS to upgrade my directional audio in console fps games. I have a few questions:

Will the DSS improve anything on my headset?
Is it worth buying another cheapish headset ($70 max, mainly gaming) to use with a DSS?

Cheers.
Edited by OwneddMuch - 6/30/11 at 12:10am
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The KSC75 is great for the price. However, I would upgrade to something better.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/30/11 at 12:19am
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Thanks for the reply - guess I'll avoid them (I edited my post JUST before you replied, as in Aus, I can't find them for less than $45 - kills the entire bang for buck thing). If they haven't got good soundstage, then I'll definitely leave them alone.

 

Any recommendations for a good gaming headset in your experience, or is this not the thread for that question?

In your opinion, would it be better to get a DSS now (MixAmp is over budget), or a good pair of really headphones with stereo.


Edited by OwneddMuch - 6/30/11 at 12:39am
post #1784 of 37283
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DSS without a doubt. It will improve all headphones for gaming.

Good headsets are gonna cost a LOT. I would avoid budget headsets like the plague.

AX720 is the bare minimum, and that's because its a headset that comes with a DH amp like the Mixamp.

PC360 is my weapon of choice, but it is expensive.

MMX300 is another popular and expensive choice.

I didn't like the A40s, but its loved by many. YMMV.

I'd start off with the AX720 just because you get a headset plus DH amp all for the price of the Mixamp.
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Looks like the AX720's are my best bet. Now I have to wait for a sale or something, it's a bit too expensive for me at the moment. Anything more expensive is WAY to over my head. AX720s now, maybe later on I'll make a massive upgrade.

 

I've never really paid attention to audio in video games, never been a big concern for me. AX720's will do me for a long while I would think, whilst for you they may be average - to me, amazing (at least I hope they are).

 

Thanks for all your help, really appreciated.

 

EDIT-
Reading more into the AX720s, they fit my needs perfectly - even better than I thought they were.

One question though... if I were to upgrade my headset, and keep the mixamp - how would I connect another headset to it? Do I connect it through the puck, which connects to the amp like normal? Do the volume controls on the puck work the same if I do it like that, or are they rendered useless?


Edited by OwneddMuch - 6/30/11 at 12:50am
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