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post #1696 of 37400

See if you can find the Xonar Essence for $150 and put that extra $50 into your headphones and you can get the PRO2900. I just got off fallout NV and I had to pick my jaw up off the floor. The game is filled with ambient sounds that I'd been missing out on. I was just wandering about simply amazed at how great it sounded..... and then a car exploded. The bass just about knocked me out of my seat. The amazing thing about the PRO900/2900s are that they have amazing bass, but it stays out of the way of the other frequencies. Its the best of both worlds for immersion and positional audio.

 

 I don't know about the AD2000, but I found the AD900 terrible for electronic music and not so good for metal. It fared well in rock. For the best gaming performance you really need an open can. Angled or displaced drivers are also a huge plus(Ultrasones/ Sennheiser 5xx series). 

 

From my brief time trying the Senn 598 I can tell you it had a massive, airy soundstage and it fared well with electronica. It was too laid back for metal.

post #1697 of 37400

Hi!

 

I'm going to buy new headphones, mostly for gaming and i would like to use Dolby Headphone with it like my old G35.

I have a Xonar Essencer sound card.

 

I was recommended to buy the Pioneer HDJ-2000, should i buy them?

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Originally Posted by Grayle View Post

Okay, I think I'm slowly going insane. Oh how I regret ever considering upgrading from my crappy Razer Barracuda headset. Life was simple before I found this place, you know? Music was music, and I took whatever I could get sound-quality wise because, well, what the hell did I know? I thought I'd reached whatever music had to offer when I bought a $30 pair of Sennheiser IEMs years back. But now... now I want, nay need more. Well I hope you're all happy!

 

Anyway, I've poured over the first post many a time, and read a fair bit of this thread, and read other threads and then I read some more and I am done. For now. Just, someone, please tell me which cans offer excellent positional audio with DH but are also awesome at music and movies. Assume I have a Sonar Essence STX and a $350 budget max for the cans. And, say, $200 for an AMP. Max.

 

I game on the PC, of course, and Bad Company 2 and the CoD series are my main multiplayer games. Single player is all over the place: Metro 2033, Mass Effect, Oblivion, Fallout, FEAR, The Witcher, etc. Basically everything except RTS.

 

Music-wise it's more electronic/house music, some rock/metal, a bit of jazz. Oh man, if you'd told me a month ago different headphones sound better for certain genres of music I'd have thought you had a screw loose. Ah, those good old days.

 

I was recommended the ATH AD-2000s by Audioholic! over at Game-fi but those cost close to a grand. I can't seem to find any decent info on the Denon AH-D2000s with Dolby Headphone either. The K701 is too difficult to amp and too analytic for music (elektro and other mixed music, that is. I think. I know I read that somewhere) apparently. The DT990 seems like the perfect fit, but the rear positional audio isn't as good as others, and that is one thing that drives me crazy. Also too much treble? And it's ugly as sin, but that can be overlooked. The HD598s only get a 6 for fun in MLE's list, but I don't see any real reason for such a low score. Is the bass really that non-existent? Oh Lord, I'm sorry to pile this all on you guys, but nothing ventured nothing gained, right?


DT990- I would not get this gaming or music because of the recessed midrange, but obviously people here don't care because of the bass. If bass is extremely important to you, this would be the ideal mix of it + soundstage, but if you're like me and have graduated from the "MUST HAVE GOBS OF BASS" mentality, you'd do better elsewhere. And for music only, the treble is indeed piercing. 

 

D2000- They're great for gaming, but I stopped using them as soon as I heard the AD700. Soundstage is just too important for ALL gaming to use 99% of closed cans.

 

HD598- It has bass, but not much. Somewhere in between bass neutral and bass anemic.

 

AD2000- No idea, ask Raptor.

 

K701- Yes that's all true. 

 

You could buy yourself an STX, or just use an astro mixamp and save some $. 

 

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DT990 because midrange is still clear and audible. Big bass will always equal recessed midrange or rolled off treble. Anyone who thinks having bass emphasis without trade offs is delusional. The DT990 will work for his purposes.

Also its the DT880 with rear positional cue problems, not the DT990.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/23/11 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by hellbringer View Post

Hi!

 

I'm going to buy new headphones, mostly for gaming and i would like to use Dolby Headphone with it like my old G35.

I have a Xonar Essencer sound card.

 

I was recommended to buy the Pioneer HDJ-2000, should i buy them?

 

 

Can somone please answer my questation?

 

 


Edited by hellbringer - 6/23/11 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

DT990 because midrange is still clear and audible. Big bass will always equal recessed midrange or rolled off treble. Anyone who thinks having bass emphasis without trade offs is delusional. The DT990 will work for his purposes.

Also its the DT880 with rear positional cue problems, not the DT990.



That describes lots of people around here...

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haha I wonder what you guys mean by Big Bass, I have only heard my HD555 with my crappy laptop soundcard, ipod nano 3g and an 8 years old pionner HTBI. and contrary to most peopple I found them to be bassy some times, with the ps3 bbc2 on wartapes mode sounds so bassy it drowns the voices

 

I imagine the bass can be better in quality but wishing more bass? realy? talking about loudness in a scale of 1-10 how much louder could be the DT-990? just curious.

 

Sorry for any miss speling..

 

 

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Originally Posted by hellbringer View Post

 

Can somone please answer my questation?

 

 


And who recommended you the HDJ-2000 for gaming?

 

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To the man who is going through the same thing everyone else here has gone through (Grayle)

HAHA,HAHA,HAHAH, OW This hurts 

HAHA,HAHA,HAHAH,

 

Indeed i am sorry and would like to apologize for my fingers behavior but they drank a little Canadian whiskey and find your post to AMAZINGLY and grossly

hilarious for the simple fact that i like MANY others have been through this same thing. No offense to MLE (The originator of this Thread) but how the hell do you do it lol.    Goodluck in your quest.  All i can say is that if you read to much and don't buy, then all you can do is freaking "INVISION" what people are talking about.  

Just buy what sounds right to you.

You WILL find this website to be a second hobby and it will make you realize in six months that going to college to get a doctorate might not be all that hard after realizing how much you have read on this website(fortunately the anatomy of the human body is mainly non debateable and headphones, unfortunately are)  

Just get the Denon ah-d2000 you won't be disappointed music wise(depending on your age you might find music to be more appealing in the long run) and will have a LOT of fun with them. If you would never try any other hps or read about them then you will be better off.  Next, pc360(my next route) if u want a Gaming headset with a mic, this is the Best GAMING headphone with a mic.Then, ad700 for strictly wanting the best headphone that can be used for gaming  and don't want to bother worrying about a clip on mic and just want a GAMING headset(no music).

You WILL come back to this website eventually for a music headphone and will read for EVER about them and never be able to find the best one so i would like to make a suggestion and tell you to get something like the 598 (if you can get an amp) or an ah-d2000 so you can get a good sense of what you want in the future when the upgradeitis hits you.  Once again, good luck!

 


Edited by NewMACAdress - 6/23/11 at 8:10pm
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post



That describes lots of people around here...


Seriously. You hear people describe certain headphones has having big bass, full midrange, and sparkly highs. That is absolute nonsense. Our ears can't take all three emphasized like that. It will sound artificial, or everything will be balanced out to a higher degree. There's NO way to emphasize something without making something else a bit muted/distant/lower in volume. Take something like the XB500, which is all bass, zero mids, and very little treble. If you leave bass where it is, raise mids and highs to the same level as the bass, the sound balances out, and the bass won't sound as prominent. Yes, the impact will be lessened because everything else has been brought up to par. The bass wasn't touched, yet it doesn't sound as strong. That's just nature of the beast.

By that logic, yes the mids on the DT990 are recessed because bass and treble are emphasized. However, people make it sound like mids are gone. The mids are audible and clear, just NOT the focus of the sound.

I'm so flipping tired of these mundane OMGZ TEH MIDZ R RECISED comments. WTF else do you want from a bass and treble can? Christ. if you want TRUE mid recession, that's the DT770 Pro 80. Next to those, the DT990 has some pretty FULL mids. rolleyes.gif

Funny how it's these people who were once praising the DT990.

I may move on to bigger and better things, but I don't put down a headphone because I found something better, unlike some posters. The DT990 is still one of my very faves, and I can easily recommend them to anyone that can take it's sizzling treble.

I'm so fed up with Head-fi mentality. I've since sold all my mains, and now I'm more than happy with just the KSC75, PC360, and the soon to come KSC35 for all my audio needs. Team Less Is MORE. I know there is better out there, but since I'm now focusing on ENJOYING my sound, instead of enjoying the equipment, I found that one doesn't need to spend much of anything to find auditory bliss. I think once my funds stabilize later on, I'm gonna get one pair of full sized comfy open cans, and that's it. Nothing past a few hundred dollars either. I may just get the DT990/32 or 250ohm and be done with it.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/23/11 at 9:04pm
post #1706 of 37400

If you want a headset, buy a PC360 and be happy.

 

If you want great bass, buy a DT990

 

or... just buy both :)

post #1707 of 37400
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by obazavil View Post

If you want a headset, buy a PC360 and be happy.

 

If you want great bass, buy a DT990

 

or... just buy both :)


Oh my buddy. Don't ever change your setup. XD
post #1708 of 37400
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

DT990 because midrange is still clear and audible. Big bass will always equal recessed midrange or rolled off treble. Anyone who thinks having bass emphasis without trade offs is delusional. The DT990 will work for his purposes.

Also its the DT880 with rear positional cue problems, not the DT990.


I think everyone gets it by now, overblown bass and sharp treble drowns out midrange, yes. But it's still a recessed midrange regardless. Yes if you raise everything it balances out. 

 

I would much rather have bass neutral or slightly above with a realistic, liquid midrange and non-shrill highs for gaming. It seems what a lot of people here want for gaming, much like newbies coming here seeking basshead cans, is giant bass because apparently that is the key to immersion. Much like for music, big bass does not constitute immersion. A bass neutral/slighty above headphone will give satisfying and realistic bangs and explosions, not crazy overblown ones that drown everything out. I have to question how long some of these people have been gaming.

 

As for these people who "were once praising the DT990", hello there. It was very easy for me to praise the satisfying giant bass and "energetic" treble just like anyone else here, until the magic moment when I heard games/music how they were supposed to sound wink.gif

 

As for the mids being audible and clear, just not the focus: Having used the DT990 for the entire MW2 campaign, I most certainly came across instances where gunfire, voices, and the like were completely drowned out by ridiculous explosions and very loud music. 

 

 

But that's just my opinion. I'm just trying to help out the people who remind me of myself at the beginning of this "quest". Maybe they will come to the same realization. But for now, enjoy, and again, just my opinion. 

 
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


I'm so fed up with Head-fi mentality. I've since sold all my mains, and now I'm more than happy with just the KSC75, PC360, and the soon to come KSC35 for all my audio needs. Team Less Is MORE. I know there is better out there, but since I'm now focusing on ENJOYING my sound, instead of enjoying the equipment, I found that one doesn't need to spend much of anything to find auditory bliss. I think once my funds stabilize later on, I'm gonna get one pair of full sized comfy open cans, and that's it. Nothing past a few hundred dollars either. I may just get the DT990/32 or 250ohm and be done with it.


There are some people that really pass a bad image, and show no respect towards others, then get surprised people respond in kind.

 

As I keep on changing gear, I often use the older stuff as to both savour its characteristics, and to better understand differences, which doesn't make me like it any less.

 

But don't waste too much of your time with attitudes like that, they're just not worth it :)

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post



I'm so fed up with Head-fi mentality. I've since sold all my mains, and now I'm more than happy with just the KSC75, PC360, and the soon to come KSC35 for all my audio needs. Team Less Is MORE. I know there is better out there but since I'm now focusing on ENJOYING my sound, instead of enjoying the equipment, I found that one doesn't need to spend much of anything to find auditory bliss. I think once my funds stabilize later on, I'm gonna get one pair of full sized comfy open cans, and that's it. Nothing past a few hundred dollars either. I may just get the DT990/32 or 250ohm and be done with it.


Funny, I'm loving music more than I ever have, and I know several great people here who are in the same position and have spent as much or more than I have. I can still slip on my D2000s and enjoy music greatly too, but I find I enjoy it even more with better cans. It wasn't long ago you were praising the D7000, the HE-4 etc. So you can't spend big money on cans anymore and now you're happy with what you have, that's great. But don't assume anyone who spends money on headphones is reducing their enjoyment of music. I know what you're talking about, but it isn't nearly everyone. 

 


Edited by Alghazanth - 6/23/11 at 9:52pm
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