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I thought you didn't like the LCD2? What changed?

I gave the AD700 a higher MP score due to the extreme accuracy it has in positioning. Only the DT770 Pro 80 matches it, but due to its muddy sound, it obviously doesn't work as well.

Again my scores aren't meant to be directly compared. They're there as a reference as to how I felt they performed for me, and not how they performed against one another. The HD598 is a better overall headphone than the AD700.

As amazing as the K701 is just off the Mixamp for gaming, its hard to tell people to buy it just for gaming purposes. They deserve an amp for every other purpose. The HD598 comes close and has an easier time unamped.


Yep that's right. Check the last post on this page http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/453116/audeze-lcd-2-orthos/12630

 

Let's assume money isn't an object here (as I'm sure you've gathered with me tongue.gif) and I want the absolute best for competitive gaming straight into the 5.8 mixamp, i.e no other amp, to remain wireless. Which is best with mic and which is best without?

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Well dude, you have some flagships there that my recommendations probably couldn't even begin to compete with. If money's no object, then spending a few hundred on the K70x for MP ain't a thing. Yes, they are detail monsters, and if you're running with just the Mixamp, that means don't use a mic with them or you will need an amp. If you're gonna use a mic, then the HD598 would work. For that I would suggest just taking a minor hit and getting the PC360 instead.

For single player, hmmm, you probably already have your own mind made up for that. I'm sure the LCD2 would work well with the Mixamp. I hear it does well with little amping. Like the D7000.

I'm not fortunate enough to try flagships like you, so I'm not sure my recommendations apply to you, as they'll probably disappoint you since you're used to much better.
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Well dude, you have some flagships there that my recommendations probably couldn't even begin to compete with. If money's no object, then spending a few hundred on the K70x for MP ain't a thing. Yes, they are detail monsters, and if you're running with just the Mixamp, that means don't use a mic with them or you will need an amp. If you're gonna use a mic, then the HD598 would work. For that I would suggest just taking a minor hit and getting the PC360 instead.

For single player, hmmm, you probably already have your own mind made up for that. I'm sure the LCD2 would work well with the Mixamp. I hear it does well with little amping. Like the D7000.

I'm not fortunate enough to try flagships like you, so I'm not sure my recommendations apply to you, as they'll probably disappoint you since you're used to much better.


Hmm, that's probably true. I tried the LCD2 again straight through the mixamp 2 days ago and it wasn't that bad, but it wasn't anywhere near as good as the T1/HD800/D7K. Also keep in mind the LCD2 has a very unique soundstage rather than the usual "the larger the better" so it wouldn't be very good. I'm convinced high end orthos in general just don't work better than dynamics for gaming because they're designed so differently, and they're also not comfortable for long gaming sessions. I'd take the comfort hit for listening to music of course but not laying back gaming.

 

Even though I really do like the HE500 more than the T1 and it's cheaper, I keep thinking I'm going to have to get myself a T1 instead so I don't have to spend on inferior gaming cans or the D7000 JUST for single player (whose soundstage also would disappoint sometimes).

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Wow what an awesome guide! I'm really thinking of getting some HD 598's now but I don't have an amp or sound card (PC gamer) at the moment. Should I think about getting both or either for that headset or will it perform without them?

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Awesome thread! How would the HD598 compare to the AD700 in terms of soundstage and bass? Ordered the AD700 but unfortunately it can take some time to get here... So maybe I'm getting something else because I can change the order. I like to have allround headphone. So it must be good for gaming/music and movies. But gaming is the most important thing. Currently I'm using a HD457. Cheap sennie, but I like the vocals from my Sennheiser. The bass however is very eeeemh laidback so not in the face. But I can't really distinguish different basses. So in the next headphone I like to have some detailed bass. It most go deep but not too boomy :P The soundstage should be good because of gaming. What would you guys recommend?

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Hey MLE, I'm really considering just getting the PC360 so I don't have to pay $400 more for the T1 just for gaming when I prefer the HE500 for music. Couple questions...

 

1) How does the mic work with the mixamp? Do you just plug one cable into the headphone out and the mic works on xbox and ps3? No Y splitter?

 

2) Can you imagine ever not being able to successfully soundwhore a certain detail with these that you would've been able to with the K701 or AD700?

 

3) If the D7K is a 10/10 for SP, how much is the PC360 WITH bass boost? And how bad is the clipping? I know I got some with a few cans w/ bass boost on.

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I need to stress something because I'm getting PMs from people trying to to get me to suggest a headphone when they plan on gaming with no amp, stereo, and NOT with Dolby Headphone. I based this quick guide of headphones using DOLBY HEADPHONE. NO OTHER WAY. I CANNOT RECOMMEND ANYTHING OTHERWISE, BECAUSE I DON'T PLAY ANY OTHER WAY. /caps

If you're on PC, getting something with Dolby Headphone like the Asus Essence STX and using it with games that have Dolby Digital, or Dolby Pro Logic II is the ONLY way you can take my guide seriously, since then you'd be listening to games the way I do. I don't ever play stereo, or use CMSS or other dsps, so don't ask me otherwise.

If your gaming on PS3, 360, etc, then ONLY take my guide seriously if you use something like the Mixamp, DSS, AX720, or receivers with DOLBY HEADPHONE. THAT IS IT. I'm gonna have to ask a mod to edit the title to make people understand this, since they don't wanna read.

Biggles, the HD598 doesn't have a big bass impact. Its somewhat shy of bass neutral, but has just a tad more than the bass missing AD700s.

Alg, the Y cable. You plug in the PC360's two jacks to the Y cable, and Y cable to the Mixamp, THAT'S IT.

The PC360 is an all around workhorse. It isn't a terribly exciting can, but is well balanced picks up all the sounds you need to hear, as awesome positioning and great soundstage, and has a great mic with its own volume control on the right cup and goes mute when you swivel the mic up. If you need to soundwhore more than this, you have bionic ears because I can't pick up more sounds than the PC360, though something like the K701 may emphasize certain frequencies making them sound clearer. The PC360 doesn't emphasize. Everything is important to it, so you will hear everything on the same level. Get it? Its not the best, but it certainly does everything well enough to where you won't be missing the best, and enjoy having an all in one solution that just works extremely well.

Bass boost with PC360 isn't going to dethrone other SP cans, but it certainly does enough to please me. I dunno what else to say. I suggest just trying it out and experiencing it for yourself. Again, not super exciting, but it has no glaring flaws either.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/18/11 at 5:38pm
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Anyone used the Roccat Vire? I really want to try some earphones for gaming..

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Anyone used the Roccat Vire? I really want to try some earphones for gaming..



I really would not recommend earphones or IEMs for gaming, ever. Soundstage and positioning is too important (not just for soundwhoring, but for SP immersion) and only full sized cans can really deliver.

 

That said, Roccat does have the best mouse ever (Kone +) wink.gif

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Mm.. headphones + dolby headphone doesn't seem to work for me, though. I have some cheap earphones and I prefer them..

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Then you're doing it wrong. D=

What are you playing with headphones + DH? What headphones? DH is VERY reliant on whatever headphone you use. If you use a closed headphone, DH won't work nearly as well as open. Some good headphones don't sound good with DH, like the M50. I've had almost nothing bad to say about any open headphone with DH though.

Also, you can't compare audio fidelity of stereo vs DH. In direct comparison, DH sounds echoey and like a concert hall effect. You have to get used to that, and then it will sound normal. The main reason to use DH is for the surround and positioning. Everything else will fall in place later.
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Mixamp with AD700's and now bought the TurtleBeach HPX1's which people recommended, same thing with both.. not much positioning for me :( Used both optical & rca..

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sounds like you are playing black ops lol

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sounds like you are playing black ops lol


Seriously. DH also varies on the game you play. Black Ops is one such example of a game that won't do anything for DH. The older Modern Warfare and MW2 are MUCH better at demoing DH.
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Think I said before, I've had better results on Black Ops.. Are people playing with the mixamp cranked up to max? Seriously confused as to why some people love it, and for me.. there's nothing for me to hear, only team mates footsteps and explosions. Rare to hear opponents walking past or near me

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