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Hey, gaming people. So, I've been using a pair of DT880s for the past year and a half, but I've kind of gotten tired of their lack of front-rear depth, pushed back mids, and slightly bright highs. Does anybody know of a headphone with much better depth and imaging in general, better mids/more neutral sound, and maybe just a decent overall upgrade from the sound of the DT880? I've tried to read up on what I can, but it sounds like I'd only get what I'm after if I moved up to something like the HD800.

 

I posted in Nameless's thread about this but didn't really get any responses so I figured I'd ask here. Just let me know if I should make a separate thread asking for recommendations instead.

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Originally Posted by Dillweed View Post

Hey, gaming people. So, I've been using a pair of DT880s for the past year and a half, but I've kind of gotten tired of their lack of front-rear depth, pushed back mids, and slightly bright highs. Does anybody know of a headphone with much better depth and imaging in general, better mids/more neutral sound, and maybe just a decent overall upgrade from the sound of the DT880? I've tried to read up on what I can, but it sounds like I'd only get what I'm after if I moved up to something like the HD800.

 

I posted in Nameless's thread about this but didn't really get any responses so I figured I'd ask here. Just let me know if I should make a separate thread asking for recommendations instead.

Perhaps the AKG K702 65th Anniversaries?  What are you using to amp right now (if any)?  The HD800 is very picky apparently.

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Oh I'd be using these with an Asus Xonar STX. Is that enough to make use of those headphones? And that's pretty much the best price I can find for that headphone, is it actually worth it?

The Xonar Essence STX can easily drive 250-Ohm Beyerdynamic headphones.

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Originally Posted by Dillweed View Post

Does anybody know of a headphone with much better depth and imaging in general, better mids/more neutral sound, and maybe just a decent overall upgrade from the sound of the DT880? I've tried to read up on what I can, but it sounds like I'd only get what I'm after if I moved up to something like the HD800.

Yup.
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Perhaps the AKG K702 65th Anniversaries?  What are you using to amp right now (if any)?  The HD800 is very picky apparently.

I'm using a Lovely Cube (cheap Black Cube Linear clone) and several op amps for tweaking the sound. Supposedly the HD800 pairs well with the BCL, but I don't know if that would extend to the Lovely Cube.

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Originally Posted by Dillweed View Post

Hey, gaming people. So, I've been using a pair of DT880s for the past year and a half, but I've kind of gotten tired of their lack of front-rear depth, pushed back mids, and slightly bright highs. Does anybody know of a headphone with much better depth and imaging in general, better mids/more neutral sound, and maybe just a decent overall upgrade from the sound of the DT880? I've tried to read up on what I can, but it sounds like I'd only get what I'm after if I moved up to something like the HD800.

 

I posted in Nameless's thread about this but didn't really get any responses so I figured I'd ask here. Just let me know if I should make a separate thread asking for recommendations instead.

Maybe(?) switching to a tube amp. might improve the audio quality of the DT880?

(Are they DT880 250-Ohm or DT880 600-Ohm?)

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They're 250 ohm, but I kind of doubt that a tube amp will really do much to the sound. I already have them running on an OPA627BP to smooth out the harsher highs, and I'm guessing my other issues with it are probably just fundamental problems with the DT880 sound.

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Originally Posted by Dillweed View Post

They're 250 ohm, but I kind of doubt that a tube amp will really do much to the sound. I already have them running on an OPA627BP to smooth out the harsher highs, and I'm guessing my other issues with it are probably just fundamental problems with the DT880 sound.

I guess there is always upgrading to the DT880 Premium 600-Ohm?

 

Anyway maybe try posting about the stuff your unhappy with about the DT880 on this thread, maybe they can figure out how to get better audio from the DT880s?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/429371/the-beyerdynamic-dt880-appreciation-discussion-thread

 

Hate to see you spend a lot of cash on headphones for something that a better amp might solve.

 

What DAC are you using?

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Originally Posted by Dillweed View Post

They're 250 ohm, but I kind of doubt that a tube amp will really do much to the sound. I already have them running on an OPA627BP to smooth out the harsher highs, and I'm guessing my other issues with it are probably just fundamental problems with the DT880 sound.


Tube amps are amazing, though!

 

But mostly, your problems with it won't change. It'll sound better, sure, but it won't change their signature.

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Not to derail the discussion too much, but...1001 pages.

ONE THOUSAND AND ONE PAGES, with a current total of 15,002 posts.

At this rate, we'll need a second thread, just like how they had to make a new Stax thread over in the High-end Audio section a long time ago.
WOW, This should be noticed! Hooray Mad, for finding a hot topic and always throwing more fuel on the fire with the latest greatest headphone!
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I guess there is always upgrading to the DT880 Premium 600-Ohm?

Hahaha, no, I'm pretty sure I'm good with one pair of DT880s.

 

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Anyway maybe try posting about the stuff your unhappy with about the DT880 on this thread, maybe they can figure out how to get better audio from the DT880s?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/429371/the-beyerdynamic-dt880-appreciation-discussion-thread

 

Hate to see you spend a lot of cash on headphones for something that a better amp might solve.

Yeah, I might as well ask there and see if anyone has an idea I haven't tried already. Thanks. I think it's likely that I'll need to consider an expensive upgrade, though.

 

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What DAC are you using?

I'm actually using the Titanium HD in my PC. I've tried it on a couple of different setups to see how they change the sound, but besides doing things like just smoothing out the harshness, warming the sound and increasing the bass, or making it extremely sibilant, my other general problems with the depth and positioning seem to be present on everything. I have a feeling that it's simply the DT880 sound, and my ears don't conform to the driver placement or I simply don't enjoy them as much as other people do. Granted, being able to change its overall sound pretty radically from system to system is nice and obviously an advantage for people who enjoy that sound in the first place and want to switch out different components to shape the sound signature to work with different genres of music, and I'm fine with how they sound with most music. But for me, the majority of their use is all games and movies, and they just seem to lack any real depth or ability to emulate three-dimensional space and end up kind of disappointing for it. They can get fairly wide, but that seems to be most of it, for me at least.

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Originally Posted by Dillweed View Post

Hahaha, no, I'm pretty sure I'm good with one pair of DT880s.

 

Yeah, I might as well ask there and see if anyone has an idea I haven't tried already. Thanks. I think it's likely that I'll need to consider an expensive upgrade, though.

 

I'm actually using the Titanium HD in my PC. I've tried it on a couple of different setups to see how they change the sound, but besides doing things like just smoothing out the harshness, warming the sound and increasing the bass, or making it extremely sibilant, my other general problems with the depth and positioning seem to be present on everything. I have a feeling that it's simply the DT880 sound, and my ears don't conform to the driver placement or I simply don't enjoy them as much as other people do. Granted, being able to change its overall sound pretty radically from system to system is nice and obviously an advantage for people who enjoy that sound in the first place and want to switch out different components to shape the sound signature to work with different genres of music, and I'm fine with how they sound with most music. But for me, the majority of their use is all games and movies, and they just seem to lack any real depth or ability to emulate three-dimensional space and end up kind of disappointing for it. They can get fairly wide, but that seems to be most of it, for me at least.

(My brain has hard time understanding your situation as I really like the sound of my DT880 Premium 600-Ohm plugged into my O2 amp or Yamaha receiver, but then again I've never used the DT880s for gaming)

 

I'm assuming with the Titanium HD your plugging the headphone amplifier into the RCA outputs (not the headphone jack)?

 

Wonder in the AKG Q701 would work better for the audio you want?

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Yeah, the RCA-outs are going directly into the Lovely Cube, which the DT880s are plugged into. I had been kind of looking at the Q701s and K702 Annies at one point, but was told to look elsewhere by people who have run into various quality control issues with AKG in the past. That's basically what led me to read about the HD800, T1, HE-400/HE-500 types of headphones, and what basically brought me to the conclusion that the HD800 sound is probably what I'm looking for, albeit an expensive-as-hell option for me.

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They talk about QC issues in AKG, but redirect you to Hifiman? Lol. Every single HE400 I owned failed, including the one I sold, which was a replacement for one that was having problems. The buyer contacted me a few months after, telling me the right driver failed. Good thing Hifiman heped him out.

Then there's Beyerdynamic which has to have the most inconsistency in terms of headphone to headphone variation. You don't know if you'll get a dud or a good one.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 7/6/13 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by Dillweed View Post

Hey, gaming people. So, I've been using a pair of DT880s for the past year and a half, but I've kind of gotten tired of their lack of front-rear depth, pushed back mids, and slightly bright highs. Does anybody know of a headphone with much better depth and imaging in general, better mids/more neutral sound, and maybe just a decent overall upgrade from the sound of the DT880? I've tried to read up on what I can, but it sounds like I'd only get what I'm after if I moved up to something like the HD800.

 

I posted in Nameless's thread about this but didn't really get any responses so I figured I'd ask here. Just let me know if I should make a separate thread asking for recommendations instead.

If you have a chance, give the Th-600 a listen. For gaming/movies I would take these over the HD800 all day. You can easily forget the Th-600 are closed because the sound stage is amazing. The HD800 are great for gaming, but the highs just really were too piercing for me. I watched my first movie last night with the Fostex and they blew me away. 


Edited by Happy Bullets - 7/6/13 at 8:10pm
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