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The D7000 runs fine just off the Mixamp. The benefits of extra amping won't be truly noticeable when you're too busy gaming with them. It's not like trying to run a 600ohm off a soundcard.

I don't notice clipping on my PC360. but definitely got clipping with my DT990 (though that was when running it straight off the Mixamp), weird.

Ah man I don't know what's up, just playing dead space 2 again, this time with dt 990 running through e9 to the mixamp and had major clipping on one particular section where lots of enemies were coming at me and the sound totally cut out for about a second and was clipping a bit for about 3-5 seconds after the cutout
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Hi Mad Lust Envy,

 

I was wondering if I can pick your brain for a bit?

 

I have a gift card to a store that has a limited selection of headsets.. and since I'm in the market for a new one, I wanted to get your opinion on some. I first bought a Corsair HS1A 3.5mm set, but found them totally lacking any bass at all. I was using on-board, but even hooked to my rack system, they were flat. So, since I'm using an old USB headset, I was looking to get another one.

 

Now, this store has a limited selection, but they do carry SteelSeries. I was looking at them and they are kind of appealing, as you can choose between the 3.5mm plugs, or add the usb card in-line. I see in your first post, you were said to pass on the Siberia v1 . But, I was wondering, how is it holding up? I never owned a SteelSeries, so I'm worried about build quality and longevity.

 

The Product I was  looking at is:

 

7H USB

 

The 7H is looking appealing to me for the features. Also, Hardware heaven did a review of it and said:

 

"In terms of performance the 7H were fantastic. Looking first to the gaming tests, whether it is in stereo mode or virtual 7.1 we were hugely impressed with the clarity and power offered by the 7H. Ambient sounds, music, voices, major effects... all were recreated exceptionally well. In fact the 7H offered us as good a gaming experience as we have had from a headset. Gaming isn't’t this products only strong point though as the experience when listening to music was also very good. Across the entire audio range the SteelSeries 7H provided us with a great representation of our various materials. They excel in clarity as well as bass and it is very rare that we find a scenario where they fail to match the market leading PC 360 in music related scenarios... of course we need to keep in mind that the Sennheiser headset costs over twice as much as the 7H. "

 

Link to the SteelSeries 7H USB Review.

 

Now, the same site Reviewed the Sennheiser PC 360. I know that you, yourself, gave the PC360 a stellar review.. So, I was wondering if you could look at the review at Hardware Heaven and see if the reviewers opinions look legit?

 

Link to the PC 360 Review

 

So, does that look OK? I mean, the guy is saying that the 7H is pretty close to the PC 360. I guess what I'm getting at is, I'm looking for a "baseline" to judge if this reviewer can be trusted when talking about the comparison between the 7H and the PC360. Seeing how you have a 360, I wanted to see if you agree with the reviewers assessment of the 360. Also, I was wondering if the Steelseries Siberia v1 was still kicking and holding up well?

 

 

Also, I found another thing to check out. I didn't know if this guy is trustworthy, but he compares the 7H to some other headsets/phones in a video on youtube... Link

 

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't own the V1, my ex does. It felt quite fragile to be honest.

I don't look into headsets because they're almost always inferior to headphones, and overpriced for what you get. The PC360 and MMX300 are two headsets modeled after successful headphones, which is why they are the only true headsets I'd ever consider. All the other headsets I have owned were failures in one way or another.

Bass isn't something I give much merit to in a headset, as when I use headsets, I'm gaming competitively, and bass just gets in the way most of the time. Bass light to bass neutral is what I like (for competitive gaming). So if bass is considered 'good', that pretty much translates as 'too much' for my own preferences for a headset. The PC360 is bass neutral, and if I want bass, I just turn on the bass expander on the Mixamp 5.8. Works well enough for me.

Too many glowing reviews out there for headphones/headsets in general. I take them all with a grain of slat. Only MLGSteggy and akaTRENT are the only guys I trust in terms of headset reviews, and I don't always agree with them.

I'm not a fan of headsets (with the exception of the PC360), so I'm not the right guy to give a valid opinion on them. Lots of people love the A40s and consider them the best in their range, and I thought they were trash...so yeah...
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/31/11 at 8:57pm
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I've just opened the AD700 right now (still waiting for the HD598) and are initial impressions are LOLWUT?!

 

I looked at myself in the mirror and literally couldn't contain the laugher....who designed this thing! It looks ridiculous!

 

I've not tested them yet and probably won't say much until I have the 598 too. I just can't get over how stupid I look with them on.

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You might be laughing when you get the 598 too, because it looks just as ridiculous.

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Really?  The HD598 just looks like a cream/white 595.

 

Maybe it's my small head that exaggerates it, but those 2 grey tube bits stick out a lot.

 

Will give the AD700 a blast on CSS later.

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You might be laughing when you get the 598 too, because it looks just as ridiculous.


Agreed. The 598 looks dorky as hell when worn too. The color scheme looks good in pics... but once you see it in person...especially wearing it...
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Ah well lol, I won't be wearing either away from the PC so it shouldn't be an issue!redface.gif

 

Played a few rounds of CSS and the AD700 is pretty awesome. I totally feel like I have that spherical awareness back and the lack of bass is great for CS. I wonder if the HD598 can compete.

 

Although, no matter how good the directional sound ability of a headphone is, it cannot make up for poor aim!biggrin.gif

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MLE, 

 

I find it confusing why you'd consider the MMX-300 based on the parts I bolded below...The MMX is based on the DT770 but costs so much more that what you can find 770s for -- why is the Beyer built in mic worth it to you where others are not?  Also, the MMX are not at all bass neutral so again, why would you consider it when your preference is the opposite?

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post
I don't look into headsets because they're almost always inferior to headphones, and overpriced for what you get. The PC360 and MMX300 are two headsets modeled after successful headphones, which is why they are the only true headsets I'd ever consider. All the other headsets I have owned were failures in one way or another.
 
Bass isn't something I give much merit to in a headset, as when I use headsets, I'm gaming competitively, and bass just gets in the way most of the time. Bass light to bass neutral is what I like (for competitive gaming). So if bass is considered 'good', that pretty much translates as 'too much' for my own preferences for a headset. The PC360 is bass neutral, and if I want bass, I just turn on the bass expander on the Mixamp 5.8. Works well enough for me.
 

 

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MLE, 

 

I find it confusing why you'd consider the MMX-300 based on the parts I bolded below...The MMX is based on the DT770 but costs so much more that what you can find 770s for -- why is the Beyer built in mic worth it to you where others are not?  Also, the MMX are not at all bass neutral so again, why would you consider it when your preference is the opposite?

 


 


There are two MMX300s floating around. One is bass light, just as there are bass light DT770s around. Problem is, you never know which one you're gonna get.

With me, I do find the MMX300 overpriced, but if I were in the market for it, I'd still get it because I know it has the performance I want. I wouldn't have bought the PC360 if it were at MSRP either, luckily I got mine well south of the MSRP.

Not having to deal with an external mic was just one thing I really wanted.
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Just got the 600ohm DT990. The midrange is in fact less recessed than the 32ohm version, but it's still like 20% more recessed than even the D2000 and the sibilance is far worse.

 

MLE: I think you're greatly exaggerating the D7000 bass being a problem soundwhoring. Yesterday I played some FFA in Black Ops with both my T1s and D2000s (Didn't have my D7Ks on me). T1's are basically the perfect cans for soundwhoring, not close to enough bass quantity to get in the way, and even more soundstage and detail than the AD700s. Ran around with Ninja Pro and a silenced MPL with the T1's, went 30-4. 4 deaths were all from people who had Ninja themselves. Put D2000s on:

 

Same setup, different map. 30-8. However, a guy with Ninja got 2 blackbirds up, and that was 4 deaths for me (Commando vs MPL). One was from dogs. Two were from another guy with Ninja running around w/ a ballistic knife. The last death was from losing a gunfight to some random guy.

 

What I'm getting at is, even between probably the very best soundwhoring can and the D7000's younger brother with muddier bass, no death was the result of me not hearing someone with either can. I would chase people I heard far away, pull 180s and shoot right at someone running down stairs, go into a building and know the exact spot someone just ran into, etc with both of these cans. The more powerful explosions, howling wind, etc from the D2000's bass, and the lesser soundstage did not make me any worse at soundwhoring at all.If you're wondering, I use theater mode+quiet in Blops.

 

I also tested both plus PX5s in a few games of Hardcore S&D in MW2. I won't get into that too (unless you want me to) but basically the same thing happened, anytime I heard someone with one of these cans, I was in a position to hear them with any of the others, and there wasn't a kill or death I got with the T1's that wouldn't have happened with the PX5s or D2000s. So basically what I'm getting at is:

 

1) It seems innate soundstage isn't a big deal past a certain point, as dolby headphone plus COD's sound engine makes the distance you can hear footsteps basically the same. No doubt IEMs and something like the M50 don't have enough, but if the D2000 does than the D7000 most certainly does.

 

2) The bass is not a problem unless you're in a 6v6 or 9v9 game with tons of explosions and stuff going on around you, but I can tell you that soundwhoring is hard regardless in that situation. Ground War on Villa, it's pretty damn hard to soundwhore much past what's close with ANY can because explosions and gunfire will still be explosions and gunfire, bass or not.

 

How about CS:S? IIRC, that has a very outdated sound engine and I remember reading posts that CMSS3D properly, so I don't know about DH. Unless you have proof that this game has a better sound engine or allows you to hear footsteps significantly further than in MW2/Blops, I'd say the same results apply here. I know that back when I was really into it months ago I was using D2000s at the time and I could soundwhore as well as I imagine the game allows.

 

I haven't tested Battlefield, don't know if I want to.

 

All of this was tested with the headphones plugged straight into the 5.8 Mixamp, DH on.

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In case anyone was curious, the LCD-2 are useless for gaming. Not surprising... but I just tried em in Black Ops and it sounded like my footsteps were 2 feet to the left w/ DH. Then again they have the weirdest soundstage ever.

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In case anyone was curious, the LCD-2 are useless for gaming. Not surprising... but I just tried em in Black Ops and it sounded like my footsteps were 2 feet to the left w/ DH. Then again they have the weirdest soundstage ever.


Two feet IN GAME or in real life? jecklinsmile.gif

If it's in real life, reminds me of how my K702 was when I had tried it with the Asgard. For some reason I'm not a fan of the K702 with DH. I imagine the LCD2 for gaming might be similar to the HD-650 with gaming, but with a much larger soundstage?

 

I think the HD-650 was one of my least favorite headphones for gaming.

 

I think my favorite gaming headphone was the ATH-AD2000, even despite the soundstage being smaller than that of the AD700. Right now I'm split 50/50 with the 598 and K601. I bet the HD-800 might be able to top them regular_smile%20.gif

 

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Just got the 600ohm DT990. The midrange is in fact less recessed than the 32ohm version, but it's still like 20% more recessed than even the D2000 and the sibilance is far worse.

 

MLE: I think you're greatly exaggerating the D7000 bass being a problem soundwhoring. Yesterday I played some FFA in Black Ops with both my T1s and D2000s (Didn't have my D7Ks on me). T1's are basically the perfect cans for soundwhoring, not close to enough bass quantity to get in the way, and even more soundstage and detail than the AD700s. Ran around with Ninja Pro and a silenced MPL with the T1's, went 30-4. 4 deaths were all from people who had Ninja themselves. Put D2000s on:

 

Same setup, different map. 30-8. However, a guy with Ninja got 2 blackbirds up, and that was 4 deaths for me (Commando vs MPL). One was from dogs. Two were from another guy with Ninja running around w/ a ballistic knife. The last death was from losing a gunfight to some random guy.

 

What I'm getting at is, even between probably the very best soundwhoring can and the D7000's younger brother with muddier bass, no death was the result of me not hearing someone with either can. I would chase people I heard far away, pull 180s and shoot right at someone running down stairs, go into a building and know the exact spot someone just ran into, etc with both of these cans. The more powerful explosions, howling wind, etc from the D2000's bass, and the lesser soundstage did not make me any worse at soundwhoring at all.If you're wondering, I use theater mode+quiet in Blops.

 

I also tested both plus PX5s in a few games of Hardcore S&D in MW2. I won't get into that too (unless you want me to) but basically the same thing happened, anytime I heard someone with one of these cans, I was in a position to hear them with any of the others, and there wasn't a kill or death I got with the T1's that wouldn't have happened with the PX5s or D2000s. So basically what I'm getting at is:

 

1) It seems innate soundstage isn't a big deal past a certain point, as dolby headphone plus COD's sound engine makes the distance you can hear footsteps basically the same. No doubt IEMs and something like the M50 don't have enough, but if the D2000 does than the D7000 most certainly does.

 

2) The bass is not a problem unless you're in a 6v6 or 9v9 game with tons of explosions and stuff going on around you, but I can tell you that soundwhoring is hard regardless in that situation. Ground War on Villa, it's pretty damn hard to soundwhore much past what's close with ANY can because explosions and gunfire will still be explosions and gunfire, bass or not.

 

How about CS:S? IIRC, that has a very outdated sound engine and I remember reading posts that CMSS3D properly, so I don't know about DH. Unless you have proof that this game has a better sound engine or allows you to hear footsteps significantly further than in MW2/Blops, I'd say the same results apply here. I know that back when I was really into it months ago I was using D2000s at the time and I could soundwhore as well as I imagine the game allows.

 

I haven't tested Battlefield, don't know if I want to.

 

All of this was tested with the headphones plugged straight into the 5.8 Mixamp, DH on.


We obviously don't have the same tastes, so just because you're fine with the D7000, doesn't mean I have to be. We all don't like the same things. I love the D7000, but the bass does distract me when I game with it competitively. I want NO distractions. The bass on the D7000 demands attention, and attention it gets. It's an awesome bass, but distracting nevertheless. It may not be a problem for you, but it's a problem for me and quite a few of my friends who are about as enthusiastic about headphone gaming as I am.

There's no way in hell the D2000 would EVER be a soundwhoring headphone for me with that kind of bass. No way, no how. Can I hear minute details with the ultra bassy DT770 pro 80? Sure. I can hear subtle details with practically any headphone I use. HOWEVER, to say one is just as good as another in terms of giving me the type of sound curve I like when I play, well that's untrue.

Just because you like the T1, D7000, or whatever doesn't mean people will agree with you, just as you don't agree with me. I like the D7000 well enough for all forms of gaming, but there's clearly BETTER for me in terms of soundwhoring for MUCH less. Soundwhoring by definition would heavily imply that your main focus is the subtle and important details. The D7000's attention grabbing bass already discredits it as soundwhoring headphone. Soundwhoring headphones are ANALYTICAL headphones, like the K70x, AD700, HD598, HD800, and the like.

As for Black Ops... man I could go 30-0 with a pair of $5 buds, or 5-25 with an HD800. Headphones don't make you a better gamer. It just gives you an edge in that you can use your ears as well as eyes.

As long as a headphone isn't absolute trash, I'm pretty sure I'd do the same regardless of whatever headphones I use. Just that the soundwhoring cans like the K70x let you pay even more attention to the sounds that can make or break you.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/1/11 at 8:46pm
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Two feet IN GAME or in real life? jecklinsmile.gif

If it's in real life, reminds me of how my K702 was when I had tried it with the Asgard. For some reason I'm not a fan of the K702 with DH. I imagine the LCD2 for gaming might be similar to the HD-650 with gaming, but with a much larger soundstage?

 

I think the HD-650 was one of my least favorite headphones for gaming.

 

I think my favorite gaming headphone was the ATH-AD2000, even despite the soundstage being smaller than that of the AD700. Right now I'm split 50/50 with the 598 and K601. I bet the HD-800 might be able to top them regular_smile%20.gif

 


The HD650 was absolutely worthless with DH. Gunfire sounded like it could be anywhere on the map. The LCD-2 I only had to try for 30 seconds w/ DH, when I was running it sounded like I was standing still and someone right next to me was running in place really loudly. But then again who expected orthos to be any good for gaming. As for the T1 and HD800, they're basically moderately better than the AD700 for soundwhoring because of even wider soundstage and detail retrieval, but I wouldn't use any of the three for single player and only one of those is worth the price of keeping around for MP only (take a wild guess which one that might be). In fact the difference isn't even that large considering the AD700 already pushes the boundary of where "Hearing footsteps" stops in the sound engine, and these games all use compressed audio. All 3 of those lack the huge bass quantity that makes explosions, rumbling, etc sound so epic in SP and really immerses you. Thank goodness for the D7000s.

 


 

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Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post

Just got the 600ohm DT990. The midrange is in fact less recessed than the 32ohm version, but it's still like 20% more recessed than even the D2000 and the sibilance is far worse.

 

MLE: I think you're greatly exaggerating the D7000 bass being a problem soundwhoring. Yesterday I played some FFA in Black Ops with both my T1s and D2000s (Didn't have my D7Ks on me). T1's are basically the perfect cans for soundwhoring, not close to enough bass quantity to get in the way, and even more soundstage and detail than the AD700s. Ran around with Ninja Pro and a silenced MPL with the T1's, went 30-4. 4 deaths were all from people who had Ninja themselves. Put D2000s on:

 

Same setup, different map. 30-8. However, a guy with Ninja got 2 blackbirds up, and that was 4 deaths for me (Commando vs MPL). One was from dogs. Two were from another guy with Ninja running around w/ a ballistic knife. The last death was from losing a gunfight to some random guy.

 

What I'm getting at is, even between probably the very best soundwhoring can and the D7000's younger brother with muddier bass, no death was the result of me not hearing someone with either can. I would chase people I heard far away, pull 180s and shoot right at someone running down stairs, go into a building and know the exact spot someone just ran into, etc with both of these cans. The more powerful explosions, howling wind, etc from the D2000's bass, and the lesser soundstage did not make me any worse at soundwhoring at all.If you're wondering, I use theater mode+quiet in Blops.

 

I also tested both plus PX5s in a few games of Hardcore S&D in MW2. I won't get into that too (unless you want me to) but basically the same thing happened, anytime I heard someone with one of these cans, I was in a position to hear them with any of the others, and there wasn't a kill or death I got with the T1's that wouldn't have happened with the PX5s or D2000s. So basically what I'm getting at is:

 

1) It seems innate soundstage isn't a big deal past a certain point, as dolby headphone plus COD's sound engine makes the distance you can hear footsteps basically the same. No doubt IEMs and something like the M50 don't have enough, but if the D2000 does than the D7000 most certainly does.

 

2) The bass is not a problem unless you're in a 6v6 or 9v9 game with tons of explosions and stuff going on around you, but I can tell you that soundwhoring is hard regardless in that situation. Ground War on Villa, it's pretty damn hard to soundwhore much past what's close with ANY can because explosions and gunfire will still be explosions and gunfire, bass or not.

 

How about CS:S? IIRC, that has a very outdated sound engine and I remember reading posts that CMSS3D properly, so I don't know about DH. Unless you have proof that this game has a better sound engine or allows you to hear footsteps significantly further than in MW2/Blops, I'd say the same results apply here. I know that back when I was really into it months ago I was using D2000s at the time and I could soundwhore as well as I imagine the game allows.

 

I haven't tested Battlefield, don't know if I want to.

 

All of this was tested with the headphones plugged straight into the 5.8 Mixamp, DH on.




We obviously don't have the same tastes, so just because you're fine with the D7000, doesn't mean I have to be. We all don't like the same things. I love the D7000, but the bass does distract me when I game with it competitively. I want NO distractions. The bass on the D7000 demands attention, and attention it gets. It's an awesome bass, but distracting nevertheless. It may not be a problem for you, but it's a problem for me and quite a few of my friends who are about as enthusiastic about headphone gaming as I am.

There's no way in hell the D2000 would EVER be a soundwhoring headphone for me with that kind of bass. No way, no how. Can I hear minute details with the ultra bassy DT770 pro 80? Sure. I can hear subtle details with practically any headphone I use. HOWEVER, to say one is just as good as another in terms of giving me the type of sound curve I like when I play, well that's untrue.

Just because you like the T1, D7000, or whatever doesn't mean people will agree with you, just as you don't agree with me. I like the D7000 well enough for all forms of gaming, but there's clearly BETTER for me in terms of soundwhoring for MUCH less. Soundwhoring by definition would heavily imply that your main focus is the subtle and important details. The D7000's attention grabbing bass already discredits it as soundwhoring headphone. Soundwhoring headphones are ANALYTICAL headphones, like the K70x, AD700, HD598, HD800, and the like.

As for Black Ops... man I could go 30-0 with a pair of $5 buds, or 5-25 with an HD800. Headphones don't make you a better gamer. It just gives you an edge in that you can use your ears as well as eyes.

As long as a headphone isn't absolute trash, I'm pretty sure I'd do the same regardless of whatever headphones I use. Just that the soundwhoring cans like the K70x let you pay even more attention to the sounds that can make or break you.

Well then I'm glad I'm not so easily distracted. As for the bolded part, did you really just say that after a 91 page thread about gaming headphones?

 

Btw for anyone interested in the TB PX5's, on the main preset they're completely flat and basically perfect for soundwhoring. Haven't tried the "footsteps" preset. They suck for single player gaming because the drivers can't handle bass and crackle during big explosions and such, but it's not too bad on preset 4. Great headset here if you just want to kick back,relax, and rape in COD. I use it mostly when gaming with friends because I CBF to deal with all of the wires associated with mics and the mixamp, and since we're always playing shooters it works out perfectly. In fact I barely ever touch the AD700s nowadays.

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