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Originally Posted by ScarsHD View Post


Alright. Thanks & sorry. Thoughts on the Zowie MASHU? Will you take a look at it?
Lol, no need to apologize. Just generally telling everyone not to compare.

Sorry, I don't buy headphones/headsets I'm not personally invested in (I make very little money, despite my horrible impulses), though I don't mind if companies or users send me theirs to demo and review. Skullcandy being the only company who has sent me some headsets to review from both their Astro side and SC side.
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The output impedance on that amp is 80ohm.... that is NOT good. That's gonna color the hell out of anything that isn't basically 600 ohms (ideall that high an impedance would fit headphones with a 640ohm impednace or higher, though 600ohm isn't bad), or planar magnetics. Basically it may make the bass real sloppy, or treble real sharp, etc. This isn't a definite, and it could be a minuite change, but it's possible. That 80ohm output is technically too high for almost any standard headphone to function the way they were meant to. High output is usually used because it's cheap, or because the coloration it adds is benign.

As for warm colorations... it depends on if the warmth is due to added bass or rolled off treble. The 990 Pros don't need more bass, but could benefit from smoother treble. The 598 has really forward mids, so added bass would fix their shoutiness a tad.i

Yeah, I think that's weird too. Why would they even make the impedance that high, especially since it's made for studio use where you want the sound to be as natural as possible? I noticed you had created a thread about it some time ago:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/592730/beyer-amps-with-100-ohm-output-impedance-lolwhut

 

Anyway, I'll just buy either of the cans I can get cheapest. I'm hardly audiophile yet so I doubt I'll be dissappointed in any case. If I notice any strange stuff with the amping, I'll just buy a Fiio E9. 

 

Btw, would the routing be the same for the NAD's integrated headphone amp as for a regular headphone amp? Would the mic work?

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The E9 also has a bit too high of an imepdance for the 598. I think the Magni is a better choice.

I;m not sure on te last question. My mic experience is very limited.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/28/13 at 2:07pm
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The E9 also has a bit too high of an imepdance for the 598. I think the Magni is a better choice.

I;m not sure on te last question. My mic experience is very limited.

I live in Sweden so a Magni might be hard to find unless I get one from the forum.

 

Ok. but shouldn't it just be like the usual way with an amp:

DX clip-on mic goes into the mic socket on the y adapter and the headphone connects to the NAD which in turn goes to the heaphone socket on the y adapter, which then in turn goes into the Mixamp?

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Yeah, that sounds right.

How about the Objective O2? That's another not so costly alternative amp. Epiphany Acoustics is the European distributor.

Also, the Fiio E12 would be definitely powerful enough for either of those two cans while also being low impedance, and having a bass boost which may aid the HD598.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/28/13 at 2:17pm
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Yup, also been looking at the Objective O2, but I think the Magni looks better (don't like cables so the front). I have been studying your guide more than for the financial exam I have tomorrow redface.gif

 

Hmm... Filo 12. In what way does it differ from the F09K? Since the Magni, F09, F12 and even my NAD integrated amp can supply enough power, do you think the DT990 600 ohm version could be a decent choice or should I just go with the 250 one? I would still like to be able to use it with just an iPod.

 

Thanks for all your help

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Yup, also been looking at the Objective O2, but I think the Magni looks better (don't like cables so the front). I have been studying your guide more than for the financial exam I have tomorrow redface.gif

Hmm... Filo 12. In what way does it differ from the F09K? Since the Magni, F09, F12 and even my NAD integrated amp can supply enough power, do you think the DT990 600 ohm version could be a decent choice or should I just go with the 250 one? I would still like to be able to use it with just an iPod.

Thanks for all your help

I'm sure Mad can also weigh in, but I recently owned all three versions of the dt990 premium. My favorite, by far, was the 600ohm. I was able to drive it with the e09k, and the bass and treble were more refined than the 250. It felt less harsh at the high end and the bass was never sloppy, but it definitely was full.
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I'm sure Mad can also weigh in, but I recently owned all three versions of the dt990 premium. My favorite, by far, was the 600ohm. I was able to drive it with the e09k, and the bass and treble were more refined than the 250. It felt less harsh at the high end and the bass was never sloppy, but it definitely was full.

Sounds good.

Now, if we are to believe the guideline of having significantly lower impedance on the amp's headphone out than the actual headphone, surely the 600 Ohm version would be the best DT990's for my current amps which have 80 and 220 Ohm's output respectively? If the cans wouldn't sound good on those I'd just buy another amp.

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It's very, very close. One of the 600ohms sounded a lot like the 250ohm, while another sounded a little less bassy, but more refined. Again, this is why I hate Beyer. They can't get the headphones to sound like one another in the same model.

The 600ohm would be fine with the E9K, though the E9K wouldn't struggle with the 250ohm. ERither way the differences aren't huge. I actually enjoyed the bass more out of the 250ohm, but the clarity was a hint better on the 600ohm. The 32ohm is inferior to both, but they are pretty close to the 600ohm's sound when driven by a desktop amp. Don't bother with them as they are harder to drive than the 250ohm despite getting louder easily.

The E12 has similar power to the E9K, and is portable. However, it's gain doesn't come close to the E9K, so certain headphones MIGHT struggle. I've had a few cans that the E9K can't provide enough volume for in low gain mode. Low gain FWIR is about as loud as the E12's HIGH gain. This is why I wouldn't go for the E12 for 600ohm cans or harder to drive planars.
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Yeah, the Mixamp needs a Dolby Digital 5.1 signal to function properly and convert into Dolby Headphone.

Running the Mixamp off Monitors and TVs will most likely ensure you're getting a linear 2 channel PCM signal, Not Dolby Digital, so you won't get Dolby Headphone, but stereo with tons of artifical reverb. Display devices with digital outputs almost always tend to only do stereo. Their Dolby Digital capabilities are restricted to Over the air signals (like TV channels), or their internal apps like a TV with Netflix built into the software. External devices like consoles will not benefit.

Short answer: Don't do it

Thanks for clarifying!

 

I suppose I'll have to not be lazy and just switch between whatever I'm using.

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Just wanna say something:

Gamers who Boost, hack, cheat online should just die. Stop ruining games for everyone else.

Nowadays anyone with special unlocks or super high scores aren't taken seriously and probably horrible in the game they do these things in.

I can't even play a decent game of MW2 because of so many damn hackers. When there aren't any in a lobby and I do extremely well, I get called a cheater/hacker. This wouldn't happen if this wasn't such a damn problem plaguing the servers.


The sad thing, is that in MW2, they don't even try to hide it. The Auto aim and radar always on hacks are blatantly obvious.

Sigh... I hate people.

Agree. What I will add to this is that I think it's the developer's responsibility to control and enforce this type of thing. Cheaters run around all over the place in CoD and the devs do nothing. It's a lot less prevalent in BF3 because DICE seems to take more active measures, but it still happens.

I hate people, but I hate developers who don't give a damn more because they want their coin.
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Have you ever considered trying the new Zowie MASHU headset? I would like to see how it compares to CAL! and DT770s. It's pretty new, and the only place I know you can buy it right now is on http://market.esea.net/
. I know headsets usually aren't that good, but, so far, zowie have been releasing good stuff and their products surely live up to their price.

also, quick note, you said I should get the DT770s over CAL! for gaming, but on your review itself competitive seems to be better on CAL! than DT770s. I'd really like to know why because there's quite a difference in price.

The ZOWEI mice are supposed to be very competitive, but I have no idea about the headphones. Audio reproduction and headphone design are a completely different ball game than the type of sensor and ergonomic design of mice that ZOWEI built their reputation on. Most likely, they defined a budget and features wishlist, and went shopping for an OEM headphone or driver manufacturer that they could buy from and put their logo on. I'm not saying the headphone will be bad, but I AM saying ZOWEI would be using someone else's sound design and you'd be paying the cost for the ZOWEI brand, their shopping costs, and the driver research done by the actual maker of the most critical headphone parts. I certainly would not expect Zowei's headphone to sound better or beat the price-value offered by Beyer, Audio Technica, Sennheiser, AKG, and other headphone-specialists that develop and manufacture their own headphones.
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Yup, also been looking at the Objective O2, but I think the Magni looks better (don't like cables so the front). I have been studying your guide more than for the financial exam I have tomorrow redface.gif

Hmm... Filo 12. In what way does it differ from the F09K? Since the Magni, F09, F12 and even my NAD integrated amp can supply enough power, do you think the DT990 600 ohm version could be a decent choice or should I just go with the 250 one? I would still like to be able to use it with just an iPod.

Thanks for all your help
I have a FiiO Mont Blanc (E12). They both output over 880 mW @ 32 Ohm load, and scale pretty well from higher ohm loads (I'd be confident driving a 600 ohm Beyer, I kinda want a DT880 600 Ohm for myself, though I wish the mids were a bit more present). The biggest differences from the E09k are that it's a portable instead of a desktop amp and the E12 features an optional bass-boost. And about $20-$30 price difference. Oh, and the E12's output impedance is like 0.5 ohms, so well under the 1/8th rule of thumb suggested for most headphones. Mad mentioned low and high gain... All E12's offer a 0dB gain and a +16 dB high-gain mode, I don't know what the high-gain stats are on the E09k but not even halfway drives my 62 Ohm AKG Q701's loud on the 0 dB setting.

As far as headphone choice, I don't have anything further to add between the two you're looking at, beyond what has already been recommended to you.
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Thanks for clarifying!

I suppose I'll have to not be lazy and just switch between whatever I'm using.

I wouldn't call you lazy, just hoping to have a well-integrated setup. I'd say read the manual (RTFM!) of your monitor, and see if it supports 5.1 DDL audio output. Some TVs do (via optical), which is how they would return audio back to a speaker driver if the TV was hooked up to digital cable or something. 5.1 DDL audio ---> Astro Mixamp (or other surround processor) ---> headphone = good virtual surround.

I think you were specifically asking about microphone input and outputs though... If you actually have a computer monitor with multiple mic outputs, sure you should be able to use it as some sort of hub. Each console has it's own way of doing microphones though... I say, just buy a 3 pack of lapel mics for $4 (like I did), hook one up to each device and be done with it, lol.
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It's very, very close. One of the 600ohms sounded a lot like the 250ohm, while another sounded a little less bassy, but more refined. Again, this is why I hate Beyer. They can't get the headphones to sound like one another in the same model.

The 600ohm would be fine with the E9K, though the E9K wouldn't struggle with the 250ohm. ERither way the differences aren't huge. I actually enjoyed the bass more out of the 250ohm, but the clarity was a hint better on the 600ohm. The 32ohm is inferior to both, but they are pretty close to the 600ohm's sound when driven by a desktop amp. Don't bother with them as they are harder to drive than the 250ohm despite getting louder easily.

The E12 has similar power to the E9K, and is portable. However, it's gain doesn't come close to the E9K, so certain headphones MIGHT struggle. I've had a few cans that the E9K can't provide enough volume for in low gain mode. Low gain FWIR is about as loud as the E12's HIGH gain. This is why I wouldn't go for the E12 for 600ohm cans or harder to drive planars.

Ok. I think the the E9 would be better in that case since I could use it for future headphone upgrades which might require the power. Anyway, what do you mean by portable? Smaller, requires less cables? I don't think "portable" is a feature I need.

 

Regarding Mixamp choice:

Since I may be buying a headphone amp or will be using my integrated stereo amp for the headphones, would the older MixAmp versions be better? If I stack it with an amp, I should drive the mixamp volume to max and I've read that the 2013 have more hiss, which would then be more prominent. I don't think I'll need the 2013's EQ options and the older one's are cheaper. Also, do the newer and older one's use the same y adapter for third party headphones? Is the y adapter included when just buying the mixamp (no A40 headset) from Astro?

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The 2011 has less hiss, but it isn't a night and day difference. Astro provides the y-cable along with a USB cable, optical cable, line out cable and controller cable.
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Roguegeek,
I remember a conversation with a guy who wanted to sell me some viruses he wrote. It was an awkward convo, I ended it with basically a "no thanks, but please don't find me and hack my computer." For some, it's an adventure and intellectual pursuit. Others, it's a competitive thing, especially within gaming but... could also be a shady corporate sabotage. And more and more prevalently, it's a greedy money-grab thing. Sometimes a mix of all three, like the people on Xbox Live that offered to sell me infections. However, hacking is becoming overall more prevalent and popular. Have any idea how easy it is to get someone's social security number? I actually got mad at our university and wrote their tech staff a long essay about how bad an idea it was to use partial SS codes for student's passwords, though they did nothing about it and continued to not allow us a password change during the remainder of my time there.

At the National Youth Leadership Forum on Technology, where I met that virus programmer, the two biggest guest seminars were from Microsoft, and Kevin Mitnick. Hacking is definitely here to stay, and grow, though it will become more and more of a financial thing than a couple of geeks messing around for fun.


Conceptionalist,
Portable means the E12 is about the size of my mom's Android smartphone (slightly smaller), unlike the O2 which is called "portable" but you wouldn't carry it in a pants pocket, maybe in a backpack though. Maybe in a fanny pack :P
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