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I actually already got a pair of Sennheiser HD-25 II, and they're very aggressive with super heavy bass and sharp treble. Since they're closed they're excellent for DJing and listening to that kind of music. Also got a pair of Grado SR 80 for easy home listening.

 

The one's I'm looking for now has to be more high end, refined, open and have a big soundstage with lots of detail, but without being too boring. Predominant use would be gaming, movies and some music listening, although I think that won't be very much.

 

Maybe the sennheisers are better for that after all as they seem more natural and have bigger soundstage with more accurate positioning and detail? 

 

Also, I have no idea how the Beyers would pair with my NAD. 

 

Thanks

 

I would just use the HD-25 for your bass heavy music then, as that's pretty much what they're made for.  Headphones which are good for gaming (open, big soundstage) don't usually do well with bass heavy music.

 

The Sennheisers have an excellent soundstage, but are a little mid-centric and boring IMO.

 

DT990s would probably be similar to an open HD-25.  Bassy and "V" shaped.

 

You can also look at the Q701.  More fun than the Sennheiser and very balanced.

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I dont know if anybody posted this news but it sure looks promising...

 

NEW - ASUS Xonar Essence STU External Sound Card and Headphones Amplifier

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Originally Posted by Ljanmi View Post

I dont know if anybody posted this news but it sure looks promising...

 

NEW - ASUS Xonar Essence STU External Sound Card and Headphones Amplifier

 

Awesome.

 

Just one question:  Does it decode DD 5.1 from the optical input and re-encode it out to Dolby Headphone (aka "can it work with consoles")?  Sadly, I think the answer is probably "NO," and that it's a PC only device.

 

If it could do the above I would buy it in a heartbeat.  Anyone able to detail how the optical input typically works on the Xonars?

 

I looked in the user manual of their flagship Asus Xonar Essence One to see how it's toslink input works, and it had this to say:

 

     This unit only accepts two-channel LPCM digital audio (e.g. Dolby Digital 2.0).
     You cannot connect a Dolby Digital 5.1 or a DTS signal as they will not be recognized.

     If you wish to connect a DVD or similar device, please ensure that the sound output of your player is set to two-channel PCM.

 

I'm guessing that the Essence STU will function the same way.  frown.gif

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also there is the Xonar U7 which looks like a beefier upgraded U3.  Still USB only.

 


Edited by chicolom - 4/27/13 at 9:07pm
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Just wanna say something:

Gamers who Boost, hack, cheat online should just die. Stop ruining games for everyone else.

Nowadays anyone with special unlocks or super high scores aren't taken seriously and probably horrible in the game they do these things in.

I can't even play a decent game of MW2 because of so many damn hackers. When there aren't any in a lobby and I do extremely well, I get called a cheater/hacker. This wouldn't happen if this wasn't such a damn problem plaguing the servers.


The sad thing, is that in MW2, they don't even try to hide it. The Auto aim and radar always on hacks are blatantly obvious.

Sigh... I hate people.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/28/13 at 5:11am
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I gave up on online shooters (actually any online game) because of that. The sad thing is that developers are now trying to place an online component in every friggin' single player game now. It's the new fad. See Assassin's Creed, Uncharted, God of War, the next Batman Arkham Origins and so on and on.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Ljanmi View Post

I dont know if anybody posted this news but it sure looks promising...

 

NEW - ASUS Xonar Essence STU External Sound Card and Headphones Amplifier

Yummy. This might be a great alternative to my Fiio combo.


Edited by Naingolann - 4/28/13 at 5:41am
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

Also there is the Xonar U7 which looks like a beefier upgraded U3.  Still USB only.

 

Alas, still not Mac compatible. I'll have to stick with my Recon3D since it works on both PC and Mac.

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Like I said, it's not just about power. Gain is also a factor. I believe the high gain on the E9K was I THINK 12db. That really gave enough headroom for volume. Dunno what the gain on the E12 is, but it might not be as high, though I'm sure it's not low, knowing Fiio.
Just a data point from an E12 user, high gain is a 16 (or 17) dB boost, appreciably louder, but I use the 0 dB gain boost setting with my Q701, happily.


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Alas, still not Mac compatible. I'll have to stick with my Recon3D since it works on both PC and Mac.
Thanks for reminding me that I miss my Recon3D USB. I wish another fully-supported gaming device that worked with Mac (and consoles) would come out... I sold mine on the expectation that I could find something better for PC (mostly S:R, though I'm confident a very revealing headphone would be required to show the upgrade difference) and that I could live with SC or a cheap DSS for console play, but I don't have a new soundcard yet and I'm not entirely sure THX and SBX are the same... the ONE video comparison I found, a Tomb Raider benchmark, THX had more directional activity and depth than SBX or DH for me, though I think the author felt CMSS-3D was the winner.


Who saw the DT880 600 ohms for $120?!?!? Where was that?!
Edited by Evshrug - 4/28/13 at 9:28am
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Have you ever considered trying the new Zowie MASHU headset? I would like to see how it compares to CAL! and DT770s. It's pretty new, and the only place I know you can buy it right now is on http://market.esea.net/. I know headsets usually aren't that good, but, so far, zowie have been releasing good stuff and their products surely live up to their price.

 

also, quick note, you said I should get the DT770s over CAL! for gaming, but on your review itself competitive seems to be better on CAL! than DT770s. I'd really like to know why because there's quite a difference in price.


Edited by ScarsHD - 4/28/13 at 11:59am
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I went into a hacked Lobby in MW2 on PC having Level 32. After a short time I was stuck to the respawn Point. I could do all but move. Soon my whole Team was with me. Then the Lobby crashed. Good Thing was that I was Level 70 after that. But a lot of Players have reported to be resetted to Level 0 afterwards. MW2 is now nearly free of cheaters. They all moved on to newer episodes of this game.

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Have you ever considered trying the new Zowie MASHU headset? I would like to see how it compares to CAL! and DT770s. It's pretty new, and the only place I know you can buy it right now is on http://market.esea.net/
. I know headsets usually aren't that good, but, so far, zowie have been releasing good stuff and their products surely live up to their price.

also, quick note, you said I should get the DT770s over CAL! for gaming, but on your review itself competitive seems to be better on CAL! than DT770s. I'd really like to know why because there's quite a difference in price.

As I mentioned scores shouldn't be compared unless I specifically state so with a comparison. One budget HEADPHONE can have a 7, and a higher end pair can have a 6.5, but it doesn't make the budget pair better. I take various things into account. Whether they are open or closed, price, whether they are a headset or a headphone, etc. scores are based on their OWN merits, and how I personally feel they perform based on what I just said, not how they stack up to other headphones. If it were like that, everything would score low next to something like a Q701 or Denon D7000. This is why I don't like to compare unless I feel it's justified.

The 770 is more expensive, because it has better drivers. The CAL might have a better tonal balance, but it's not as refined. The 770's soundstage also trumps the CAL's. If the bass wasn't so emphasized, the 770 would score higher. Either way, the 770 is a bigger, and better headphone overall, though it's more expensive, and for the price, it doesn't perform as well as headphone near it's price range, like the 990 Pros.

AGAIN, DO NOT COMPARE SCORES.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/28/13 at 12:51pm
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I just read that my NAD has an headphone jack output of 220 ohm, and that this number should be as low as possible and generally lower than the ohm on the headphones. Would that make the Beyer dt990 / dt880 32 ohm version out of the question? Do you guys think the 250 ohm version could pair well? I don't want to get the 600 ohm's.

 

The actual sound from the BAD C 320BEE headphone amp isn't fantastic by any means from what I've read, but it do pair well with Sennheisers. Sterile, a bit boring, but precise and accurate seems to be common description. I really don't want to fork out more cash for a desktop headphone amp.

 

Threads about the NAD headphone amp:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/97118/nad-c320bee-headphone-output-question

http://www.head-fi.org/t/54591/how-good-is-the-headphone-jack-in-nad-c320bee-stereo-integrated-amplifier

Sorry for bumping this, but I'd be very grateful if anyone here can chime in:

 

I'm set on the getting the Mixamp Pro 2013, the DX mini clip on mic and I've narrowed down my choice of headphones to two options:

 

1) Sennheiser HD598

This choice would be the the most hassle-free, since I don't necessarily need an additional headphone amp to drive them. It seems like I can just hook this up straight with the Mixamp and get great results. The problem would be that they might not suit my needs for immersion, fun and bass. I've also read that they're quite bad for music production. 

 

2) Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250 Ohm

This headphone seems to suit my needs (in terms of signature sound and production) better but I would need an amp to make them justice. I've already got a NAD C 320BEE integrated stereo amplifier with a headphone jack. It has a whopping 220 ohm headphone output, but reading into it, it seems to work well:

 

"I also like the headphone jack of the C320BEE for high-impedance phones. Using Senn and Beyerdyanmic cans, the NAD beat several dedicated headphone amps I’ve tried. Then again, I seem to like the rich, warm sound of 220-ohm headphone jack impedances."

 

My question would then be whether this warm sound of the NAD is a good combination with the DT990 or the HD598 sound signatures? Would hooking up the integrated headphone jack on the NAD work the same as for a typical headphone amp? I want to be able to use a mic when gaming.

 

As a said earlier, I also got this great TC Electronic Impact Twin DAC soundcard I've used for music production. It comes with this dedicated software for routing so I have no idea if it would work in this stereo / gaming set up. It's fantastic either way with great mic pre-amps, 80 Ohms headphone output with a gain level range of -80 to +16 dB at 300 Ohm. Power at 40 Ohm load is 200mW and at 600 Ohm load 93mW.

http://www.tcelectronic.com/impact-twin/tech-specs/

 

Excuse my very limited knowledge about hifi and any misconceptions about terms and functions.

 

Super thankful for any advice!


Edited by conceptionist - 4/28/13 at 1:11pm
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Well my Annies finally arrived :)

 

of course, my mic hasn't, and the Asgard 2 hasn't even shipped yet (but from the looks of it it should be any day now)

 

damnit lol

 

 

anyways I have a question, and it could possibly be deemed newbish, but lets say that I have a monitor with input/output mic jacks on the back of it, would there be any disadvantage sound wise by plugging the Astro mixamp into the back of the monitor versus plugging directly into the console(s) itself?

 

For theories sake lets say I have 2 consoles and a PC that I hook to a monitor and run my audio setup off the monitor so whatever input I happen to be on will be getting sound versus having to unplug and plug into each seperately.

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The output impedance on that amp is 80ohm.... that is NOT good. That's gonna color the hell out of anything that isn't basically 600 ohms (ideall that high an impedance would fit headphones with a 640ohm impednace or higher, though 600ohm isn't bad), or planar magnetics. Basically it may make the bass real sloppy, or treble real sharp, etc. This isn't a definite, and it could be a minuite change, but it's possible. That 80ohm output is technically too high for almost any standard headphone to function the way they were meant to. High output is usually used because it's cheap, or because the coloration it adds is benign.

As for warm colorations... it depends on if the warmth is due to added bass or rolled off treble. The 990 Pros don't need more bass, but could benefit from smoother treble. The 598 has really forward mids, so added bass would fix their shoutiness a tad.
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As I mentioned scores shouldn't be compared unless I specifically state so with a comparison. One budget HEADPHONE can have a 7, and a higher end pair can have a 6.5, but it doesn't make the budget pair better. I take various things into account. Whether they are open or closed, price, whether they are a headset or a headphone, etc. scores are based on their OWN merits, and how I personally feel they perform based on what I just said, not how they stack up to other headphones. If it were like that, everything would score low next to something like a Q701 or Denon D7000. This is why I don't like to compare unless I feel it's justified.

The 770 is more expensive, because it has better drivers. The CAL might have a better tonal balance, but it's not as refined. The 770's soundstage also trumps the CAL's. If the bass wasn't so emphasized, the 770 would score higher. Either way, the 770 is a bigger, and better headphone overall, though it's more expensive, and for the price, it doesn't perform as well as headphone near it's price range, like the 990 Pros.

AGAIN, DO NOT COMPARE SCORES.

 

 

Alright. Thanks & sorry. Thoughts on the Zowie MASHU? Will you take a look at it?

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Originally Posted by Chubtoad View Post

Well my Annies finally arrived smily_headphones1.gif

of course, my mic hasn't, and the Asgard 2 hasn't even shipped yet (but from the looks of it it should be any day now)

damnit lol


anyways I have a question, and it could possibly be deemed newbish, but lets say that I have a monitor with input/output mic jacks on the back of it, would there be any disadvantage sound wise by plugging the Astro mixamp into the back of the monitor versus plugging directly into the console(s) itself?

For theories sake lets say I have 2 consoles and a PC that I hook to a monitor and run my audio setup off the monitor so whatever input I happen to be on will be getting sound versus having to unplug and plug into each seperately.

Yeah, the Mixamp needs a Dolby Digital 5.1 signal to function properly and convert into Dolby Headphone.

Running the Mixamp off Monitors and TVs will most likely ensure you're getting a linear 2 channel PCM signal, Not Dolby Digital, so you won't get Dolby Headphone, but stereo with tons of artifical reverb. Display devices with digital outputs almost always tend to only do stereo. Their Dolby Digital capabilities are restricted to Over the air signals (like TV channels), or their internal apps like a TV with Netflix built into the software. External devices like consoles will not benefit.

Short answer: Don't do it
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