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Heeellooo? Anyone tried gaming with S-Logic yet? I want to know whether it can be used professionally.

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AD700>HD598. Just grab yourself some AD700's for competitive and something else for for non competitive if you can. D7000 is the best non-competitive (single player, immersion, fun) headphone I've tried, and the AD700 is the best competitive gaming 'phone aside from the T1 and HD800, which are only slightly better and obviously not worth it for gaming alone.

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I find the HD598 to be more impressive than the AD700 as it doesn't sacrifice much of anything and works just as good. The AD700 sacrifices bass completely. I recommend the HD598 if you have the extra cash over the AD700.... easily.
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I find the HD598 to be more impressive than the AD700 as it doesn't sacrifice much of anything and works just as good. The AD700 sacrifices bass completely. I recommend the HD598 if you have the extra cash over the AD700.... easily.

I don't know what games you tested the 598's with, but they make the guns in Black Ops sound even more awful than usual, and their soundstage is smaller than the AD700. True, they have bass, but it's still very little. I'd get the AD700's+zalman mic and keep those for competitive gaming forever. Then find yourself some cans for noncompetitve fun and immersive gaming. There are many options depending on price range, and like I said, the D7000 is the best if you can afford it. It really is best to have two separate cans for SP/MP, as even the T1's aren't #1 for BOTH (D7000's have that orgasmic bass for SP). The D7000+AD700 is my favorite combo after much testing, and I even add in a 3rd, the TB PX5, for when I just want to kick back and play not too seriously with friends.


Edited by Alghazanth - 5/29/11 at 11:42pm
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Dude, seriously? Zalman is the WORST pile of rubbish I've ever owned. The Dealextreme clip on that cost me $2.50 is 100x better than the Zalman. Ugh.

Black Ops has terrible audio, regardless of headphones. I wouldn't EVER judge a headphone based on performance with that game. MW2, CoD4 and other games do much better. Anyways, AD700 is a one trick pony. I love them for what they do, but you can get 95% of their performance and better overall sound from the HD598. Yes, the AD700 soundstage is bigger, but the HD598 comes damn close, enough not to miss the AD700 soundstage, which is pretty much ALL they have going for them.

And the HD598 is close to bass neutral, while the AD700's bass isn't even enough to call bass light. Bass non-existent is more like it. Like tin cans.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/29/11 at 11:58pm
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Dude, seriously? Zalman is the WORST pile of rubbish I've ever owned. The Dealextreme clip on that cost me $250 is 100x beter than the Zalman. Ugh.
 


I think you missed a decimal...

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Fixed. You didn't give me a chance. XD

My keyboard doesn't always input everything I type. Which is why you'll see beter instead of better, AD70 instead of AD700, etc. I hate this damn thing.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/29/11 at 11:59pm
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My keyboard doesn't always input everything I type. Which is why you'll see beter instead of better, AD70 instead of AD700, etc. I hate this damn thing.


Maybe you should check out the keyboard-fi thread when your finances recover.  IMO, nothing beats good old buckling springs, but many other options are discussed.

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Oh, I know why my keyboard sucks. It's a 2.4ghz wireless Microsoft keyboard that I've had for ages. I could easily use my wired HP one that came with my PC, but I can't be arsed to add more wires... no scratch that, I WILL.... right now. This keyboard has been grating my nerves...

The HP keyboard worked perfectly and never missed any of my inputs.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/30/11 at 12:10am
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Dude, seriously? Zalman is the WORST pile of rubbish I've ever owned. The Dealextreme clip on that cost me $2.50 is 100x better than the Zalman. Ugh.

Black Ops has terrible audio, regardless of headphones. I wouldn't EVER judge a headphone based on performance with that game. MW2, CoD4 and other games do much better. Anyways, AD700 is a one trick pony. I love them for what they do, but you can get 95% of their performance and better overall sound from the HD598. Yes, the AD700 soundstage is bigger, but the HD598 comes damn close, enough not to miss the AD700 soundstage, which is pretty much ALL they have going for them.

And the HD598 is close to bass neutral, while the AD700's bass isn't even enough to call bass light. Bass non-existent is more like it. Like tin cans.

I don't know, I've had no issues with it. I clip it near the top of the cable and talk, and nobody has ever had any complaints. It picks up everything for me.

 

Black Ops does have terrible audio, but it is my current "competitive" shooter as MW2 sucks now and I'm tired of CS:S and Battlefield. That's why I use it as my competitive gaming test.  Yes the AD700 is a one trick pony, but so is the HD598 to me. I'd only use it for competitive gaming if the AD700s and others didn't exist. I don't like it much for music nor single player (half decent bass vs no bass... pass on both). But that's why I've said repeatedly AD700's for competitive gaming only. But hell, if people are happy with the HD598 for single player, then by all means. Btw, you rated both cans the same in "fun".
 

 

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If you want a badass all-rounder at a relatively low price, get the D2000s and not the HD598s. Incredible for music, SP, and  good for MP (It's like DT880 w/o the rear issue but with bass muddying things up more than the D7000 but not an awful lot like the M50 or something).

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I hear contrary to that. Plenty of people saying how badly recessed the mids are on the D2000, which is a far cry from the mid rich HD598. I dunno about you, but I've tested so many headphones and headsets I can't even name them all. the HD598 deserves a top spot alongside the AD700 and K70x as competitive beasts, but the HD598 is even better for all around gaming. Owning the PC360 currently which are terrific and balanced for ALL purposes, it's saying a lot when I believe the HD598 to be even more superior to the PC360 sans the built in mic.

Also another point to say that on AVS, some prefer the PC360 to the PX5 as well... just saying.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/30/11 at 12:57am
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I hear contrary to that. Plenty of people saying how badly recessed the mids are on the D2000, which is a far cry from the mid rich HD598. I dunno about you, but I've tested so many headphones and headsets I can't even name them all. the HD598 deserves a top spot alongside the AD700 and K70x as competitive beasts, but the HD598 is even better for all around gaming. Owning the PC360 currently which are terrific and balanced for ALL purposes, it's saying a lot when I believe the HD598 to be even more superior to the PC360 sans the built in mic.

Also another point to say that on AVS, some prefer the PC360 to the PX5 as well... just saying.

I've tested about 70% of your main list and 4 or 5 you haven't. The D2000 has slightly recessed mids, and the D7000 has very slightly recessed mids. If you loved the DT990 though, no way would the D2000 mids be a problem for you, the DT990 is FAR worse in this regard (to the point of being not useable for me). I'm really not a Sennheiser fan outside of the HD800s though, and I've tried most of their premier cans. The PC360 is, IIRC, a 595 with a mic attached. I wouldn't want to use that for SP either after trying out other cans. After all my testing I simply know it's far better to use two cans for gaming (one of which is music, movies, and all noncompetitive, the other competitive). Actually, I was recently using the D7000s for everything and the PX5's for multiplayer gaming only when I need a mic(too much static w/ D7K), but it's the same idea. But if you must have one can, I stand by the D2000 being the cheapest one that does it all great as far as I've tried. The next closest would probably be the DT880 and even that's a big downgrade imo. But it's all obviously opinion. You should update your thread though since you seem to have changed views wink_face.gif

 

Only time I'd use any gaming headset now after trying all these audiophile cans is for when I want to kick back and relax and play with friends, which the wireless PX5 is more conducive to than the PC360's whose setup would be just like all of my other cans. Also the PX5 actually sounds surprisingly good on preset 4. It's still incredible for soundwhoring, in fact near or as good as the AD700, but for general sound quality it's trash obviously. Low frequency bass causes intense crackling... the drivers can't handle it.

 

Also, nice Vincent avi.
 

 


Edited by Alghazanth - 5/30/11 at 1:09am
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Changed views? I still think the AD700 is the best competitive gaming can. However, for those looking into a little more balanced, the HD598 is a no brainer. If bass is still lacking, then I'd move on to the DT880 as long as the rear positioning is okay for the user.

I normally wouldn't ever consider closed headphones for all forms of gaming, not even the D7000. Open headphones just do gaming better. I've heard quite differently about the D2000 vs D7000, which I've seen comparisons say that the D2000 has some very noticeable mid recession in comparison.

The advantage the DT990 has over the D7000 (which I've heard side by side), is that the bass on the DT990 is a lot faster at decay so it's even less obtrusive. Mids may be recessed, but the fast decay greatly helps in still being able to pick out details. I love the D7000 more than any other headphone, but the slower, fuller bass is still not ideal even if it doesn't get in the way of the detail like typical bassy cans. The DT990 has it beat in this regard. No way is the D2000 gonna do bass better than the DT990 at not being distracting towards the detail, considering the D7000 doesn't even do that, and the D2000 is inferior to the D7000.

As I stated before, the mids on the DT990 are about as audible as on the DT880. Ridiculously similar to me, but the bass and treble are just more forward at similar levels. I think the mids on the DT990 are greatly exaggerated on here. To me mids are good, just the treble is TOO prominent for the most part.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/30/11 at 1:19am
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Changed views? I still think the AD700 is the best competitive gaming can. However, for those looking into a little more balanced, the HD598 is a no brainer. If bass is still lacking, then I'd move on to the DT880 as long as the rear positioning is okay for the user.

I normally wouldn't ever consider closed headphones for all forms of gaming, not even the D7000. Open headphones just do gaming better. I've heard quite differently about the D2000 vs D7000, which I've seen comparisons say that the D2000 has some very noticeable mid recession in comparison.

The advantage the DT990 has over the D7000 (which I've heard side by side), is that the bass on the DT990 is a lot faster at decay so it's even less obtrusive. Mids may be recessed, but the fast decay greatly helps in still being able to pick out details. I love the D7000 more than any other headphone, but the slower, fuller bass is still not ideal even if it doesn't get in the way of the detail like typical bassy cans. The DT990 has it beat in this regard. No way is the D2000 gonna do bass better than the DT990 at not being distracting towards the detail, considering the D7000 doesn't even do that, and the D2000 is inferior to the D7000.

As I stated before, the mids on the DT990 are about as audible as on the DT880. Ridiculously similar to me, but the bass and treble are just more forward at similar levels. I think the mids on the DT990 are greatly exaggerated on here. To me mids are good, just the treble is TOO prominent for the most part.


I know, I already said the D2000 is worse than the D7000 in MP because the bass is even muddier. That said I still have no issues soundwhoring the crap out of people with the D7000s, I just know that I could do it a bit better with my AD700s because bass won't get in the way.

 

 

I really don't know how you found the mids on the DT990 to not be ultra recessed but can say the D2Ks and even D7Ks suffer from that issue. Having A/B/C/D'd the D7K,D2K,990,880 the midrange is something like 100%>98%>90%>60% with 880>D7K>D2K>990. That said, you're making me want to try the 600ohm version of them more and more because maybe it's the 32ohm after all. Or we have completely different ears. And no, I'm not exaggerating on the mids at all. And it's not just the bass, I tested it with bass-light tracks too. Remember how perfect the DT990 would be for me otherwise.

 

Edit: You've got me all curious so I'm going to go ahead and cop a pair of 600ohm DT990's and see how they do. Esp since I'' have the LCD-2's the same day. Here we go again rolleyes.gif

 


Edited by Alghazanth - 5/30/11 at 1:27am
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