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post #12181 of 37363

I have my 65th Annie at the moment.  So far... they remind me of the HD650 where the mid bass hits but the low end isn't as prominent.  Sound stage ATM isn't very wide...I think these need to be burnt in also.  I'll give them a few hundred hrs.  

 

The sound stage reminds me of the Astro A40's...not very wide.  I think the warmth makes it feel a bit congested. The pads remind me of the HD650's also.  The pads are comfy and the head band I know is there.  Ironically the Q's bump head band isn't as noticeable as the 65th head band.  But this is completely subjective.  Not everyone agrees with this.  This is what I am experiencing.  

 

I've tried to switch the ear pads and I know its still a little early but at this point I can still hear a difference and can tell the Q vs the 65th.  More burn in and I will see if this changes.  So far I am not enjoying the 65th it feels too congested and not as airy as the Q.  


Edited by Hawaiiancerveza - 3/9/13 at 12:03am
post #12182 of 37363

Hey again, so I decided to order 2 different sets of cans to try out at the same time and then keep whichever one I like better:

 

I got the V-Moda Crossfade 100 and the Sennheiser PC 350 SE

 

The V-moda came in on Thursday and I was really excited about them, as I've been wearing the same other headset for many years. The Senn 350SE came in on Friday, and unfortunately I like them both, but each for different things:

 

The V-M100 has amazing sound. It's lively, punchy, and very immersive. They were loud and clear, and I was just blown away by the quality - over my old Gamecom 777s. The issue I have with them is that the earcups are just ever so slightly too small, and after a mere 30 mins of playing CS:S my ears were aching because they pressed against the top part of my ear. I tried tucking my ears and fiddling with the position of the cups, and it still was starting to ache. *start disappointment mode*

 

The Senn 350SE came in the following day and they were essentially what I expected. The sound wasn't so punchy, but it seemed more....refined? I'm not sure what the technical term is for that. The bass is there, but it doesn't kick (like with the V-M100s). In fact the sound is very, maybe the word I'm looking for is muted? However, the cans are huge! Wore them for nearly 6 hours, and they feel fantastic! No pain, no anything really. The mic, is also very high quality. The positional audio is also mind-blowing (I tried this in BF3, CS:S, DayZ).

 

So, now I'm in a quandary....I want the punching and kicking sound of the V-M100 with the comfort of the Senn 350SE. Anyone have any suggestions? Maybe I'm just not trying the right headphones/set yet? I am open to suggestions, thanks. And again, the budget is around 300 +/- 50 bucks. Thanks for all the helpful replies so far.

post #12183 of 37363
I take it you need closed headphones if you're looking at those two? Mad Dogs might be worth a look, I've been seriously eyeing them myself. Audio Technica A900 could be another option, or the Beyer DT 770 if you're able and not opposed to EQ'ing the bass for competitive play (my open Beyers are ridiculously comfortable IMO, and I have big ears).

Closed headphones for gaming are a tough one if you're into competitive gaming, there's always gonna be tradeoffs compared to similarly priced open headphones, but I think there's a lot of options out there better than those two. Pair any of them with a ModMic if you really want a well built boom mic.
Edited by Impulse - 3/8/13 at 11:22pm
post #12184 of 37363
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I thought you drilled off a bit to allow the 75 to fit? frown.gif

And yeah, some Vegan LCD2s, which supposedly arrives today, but he didn't ship the right cable, so I have to wait for the replacement. frown.gif

oh well psh yea ifu  got LCD then Mad dog is usless to you. In addition I don't like the mad dogs for edm :O there not as tight as the dt 880 and there's not as much bass at the dt 990 e.e, they are nice however with Nu Jazz! In fact really nice :D

post #12185 of 37363
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Under $700? That still leaves a LOT of headroom like you wouldn't believe. We're talking HE-500, used Stax Lambda setups, Koss ESP/950, etc. On the other hand, you'd probably want something more affordable to keep the costs down, like the HE-400.

 

Adding an external amp to a sound card does NOT introduce delay. Not sure what gave anyone that idea. Personally, I'd suggest going with an external amp anyway, since it's better to match the amp to your headphones of choice than the other way around. (And if you choose to venture into electrostatics like the aforementioned Stax or Koss setups, you HAVE to use an external amp anyway.)

 

The X-Fi cards don't have much in the way of built-in headphone amp circuits, but sound fine DAC-wise (at least the Auzentech-built ones and the Titanium HD do) and would make a great source for an external amp, along with having an edge in terms of gaming features. Not even the later Recon3D or Z-series cards really compare.

 

I've heard good things about the HT Omega cards as far as C-Media offerings go, but have no hands-on experience or plans to buy one. All I can say is that anything based on a C-Media chipset, be it Asus or HT Omega or Auzentech or anyone else, is generally disadvantaged in terms of DirectSound3D and OpenAL API support compared to the Creative chipsets.

 

CMSS-3D doesn't "create" Dolby Digital or DTS signals; that's what Dolby Digital Live and DTS Connect are for, and even then, that's for a completely different purpose (mixing the PC sound signal into a compressed 5.1 stream that fits into limited S/PDIF bandwidth). What it will do, however, is take the source audio (be it encoded DD/DTS tracks from a movie, PCM channels from a software-mixed PC game, or DS3D/OAL 3D audio coordinates) and downmix it in such a way that you can hear the surround channels with distinct directionality over headphones.

I've looked at the Stax Lambda and that looks really nice just don't know how I'd go about getting a set-up with XLR or RCA that would be as productive as I hope so they will be replacement set afterwards I've decided when I'm willing to spend a bit more. For now I think I've decided on the K550 or K701/702 or the Q701. So in order to keep the cost down now and speed along the Stax setup would a Creative Titanium Fatal1ty with a built in 600ohm headphone amp be decent or should I go with a Soundblaster X-fi XtremeGamer and get an amp? If this is the case what amp would pair well with these?

 

I need to be able to hear distinctly different channels and have surround sound in every game I play. This is why I need CMSS-3d then right?

post #12186 of 37363

Well im quite liking the ultrasone 2400s for gaming.. tried some gametime with BF3.... and they are SWEET.  good bass, weapon audio is amazingly nice. soundstage is wide.

 

i like them.   not sure if they will replace my D7000s for "primary" gaming cans.. but they sure are a nice alternative.

 

they are a keeper for me.

 

all gaming was done on the PC, btw. 

post #12187 of 37363
Thread Starter 
I can take those D7000s off your hands. wink.gif


I like the Pro 2900s for gaming, but they are really overpriced...
post #12188 of 37363

@chicolom

 

I see your avatar pic is AKG Q701 white(I guess by your avatar that you own a AKG Q701) and you listened to how many models, 50-100, and you are primely into gaming, right?  So if it is the best posibble choice for you and you are fond of Dolby Headphone as I am too why would I look any further? From what I read I concluded that you cant really beat AKG Q701 for gaming and everything else I mean all around headphones. Just to add that I never listened anything else on PC except Beyerdynamic MMX 300 and my opinion is based on reading the forums, reviews on internet and so on...  


Edited by Ljanmi - 3/9/13 at 8:32am
post #12189 of 37363
Thread Starter 
Willing to bet the MMX300 is not gonna be bested or rivaled by many in terms of positional cues. The DT770, which those are modeled after, are literally the best I heard in positional cues. However, due to the closed design, it loses in air and sheer soundstage/openness. That isn't a detriment to its competitive gaming prowess, and I doubt anything you get will be a true upgrade for that purpose.
post #12190 of 37363
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Originally Posted by Impulse View Post

I take it you need closed headphones if you're looking at those two? Mad Dogs might be worth a look, I've been seriously eyeing them myself. Audio Technica A900 could be another option, or the Beyer DT 770 if you're able and not opposed to EQ'ing the bass for competitive play (my open Beyers are ridiculously comfortable IMO, and I have big ears).

Closed headphones for gaming are a tough one if you're into competitive gaming, there's always gonna be tradeoffs compared to similarly priced open headphones, but I think there's a lot of options out there better than those two. Pair any of them with a ModMic if you really want a well built boom mic.

Thanks for the quick reply. I honestly have never used an open pair of headphones, so I'm a bit biased. The closed is generally good, because of the roomie situation. How open are open backed headphones? Or in other words, how much sound actually leaks out?

 

I did a search on Amazon, what are these Mad Dogs you spoke of?

 

I'm not really into competitive gaming per se, but I'm not against being more competitive, my setup right now really kills my immersion factor, and that's what I'm shooting for - that and comfort.

 

I did some actual music listening on each pair of phones this AM, and found that the Senn350 are just too "cold/harsh" <seems very analytical>, and that I really prefer the "warmer" sound of the V-Moda100. Does warmness relate to the FUN rating that the OP references in his ratings? And what are the best 2-3 sets around 3-350 (or less) period for sound and big ear pads -- closed and open?

 

I have re-read the front page, as suggested by someone else, and found it to be very helpful, but there are so many choices.

 

Also, I have a mixamp 5.8, is that good enough for AMP'ing any of the cans I'd be buying?

post #12191 of 37363
Thread Starter 
The Mad Dogs. You can't buy them off Amazon because it's a modified Fostex T50RP. Custom headphones aren't sold on Amazon.

https://www.mrspeakers.com/Audiophile-fostex-t50rp-upgrades-mrspeakers-mad-dog

Basically any headphones I mention will probably want more than the Mixamps can provide, unless specified otherwise. Planarmagnetic cans like the Mad Dogs can take a buttload of power, and scale accordingly.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/9/13 at 9:36am
post #12192 of 37363
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I did a search on Amazon, what are these Mad Dogs you spoke of?

 

https://www.mrspeakers.com/

post #12193 of 37363

Dan (MrSpeakers) also posts here on HF and there's a long thread about 'em if you wanna look into them. I haven't heard 'em myself but impressions look pretty good, not sure if they'd be up there w/the DT 770 in terms of sound stage tho. The pads look superb if you're not opposed to leather (it's real lambskin leather).

 

There's varying degrees of open headphones, sort of, some just seem to leak out a lot more than others... But most are gonna leak out enough that anyone in the room will hear it unless there's also music playing over speakers or something (in which case you'll clearly hear that). So yeah, not recommended if you routinely game in the presence of others... Unless you have a closed option as a backup to switch to, it's gonna bug either you or them.

 

I think you have a good sense of what MLE means by fun factor, tho ultimately the exact balance is gonna be subjective and something that's particular to your personal taste... Some might crave a lil more bass impact, others just want it present and detailed, etc. I've never heard the 350 but if it's anything like the 360 then it's kind of at the opposite end of the spectrum as the M-100, but I think there's plenty of room between those two (as far as where other headphones would fall).

 

Mixamp will struggle w/some $300-range headphones (MD possibly) but not all, AT A-series are easy to drive (as are the two you've tried), DT 770 80-ohm version might be fine too.


Edited by Impulse - 3/9/13 at 9:54am
post #12194 of 37363
Thread Starter 
To be clear, something like the DT880 and HE-4 are really well balanced with no over emphasis of any frequencies but a slight boost in certain ranges to give them more body and energy than a perfectly balanced can like a PC360 which is pretty balanced, but lacking in energy...perhaps a little boring. The Annie also rates very highly in fun for me, but in reality, are very, very well balanced. Probably the most balanced headphone I have heard. But it has body and energy to go with that.

Of course, bass emphasis does tend to add to fun and immersion more times than not, but it's not limited to just that. The Ad700 rates highly in fun (6 is high for a headphone with basically no bass to be felt). That soundstage and openness is it's own brand of fun.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/9/13 at 10:10am
post #12195 of 37363
Thread Starter 
Just got the vegan (velour-ish) LCD2. Just as amazing as the leather padded LCD2 + velour comfort. The bass is just as amazing as I remember. Worries have been squashed. smily_headphones1.gif



I'm so damn happy right now. My wallet hurts though, lol.


edit: DAT BASS AND MIDS


It actually sounds more tonally accurate than the leather pair, with less treble roll off, while maintaining the stellar bass and mids. Very interesting. I believe the vegan LCD2 might measure better, juding by that graph vs the others I've seen online.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/9/13 at 12:47pm
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