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Originally Posted by NamelessPFG View Post

 

I'm officially a stax convert now. Haven't had much gaming time, but I've officially gone crazy with electrets and electrostats. Got a pair of Numark ES701's which lead to SR 34's which lead to SR 80's with SRD-6, which finally lead to SR Lambda with SRD-7. Thx for killing my wallet, lol.

 

-Erik

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I have mentioned time and time again that scores should not be compared...
Alright, my little critique. Although it does state not to compare scores in the guide, I hope it can be understood that something as objective as a number to rate aspects is going to be difficult not to use for comparative purposes. I'm not trying to troll or get into some sort of confrontation. That's just my honest observation. What does help a lot in terms of clarification is the somewhat newly introduced "Top Choices" section. Now moving on with a better understanding, I can revise my question...

I thought I had it figured out. I thought I was moving from my impressive, but highly uncomfortable AD700 for competitive gaming onto the K702 which I can find for about $260. Then I kept reading about the DT990 and how Mad "happily sold the killer K701s as [he] saw no need to own anything for gaming after the 990s at the time." I can find the Pro for about $190. Im also seeing the K701 is placed higher than the DT990 in the "Top Choices" section which I'm not sure if that's intended to mean one is recommended over the other or if it's just a random collection of choices. It doesn't appear very random, but it is not explain in the guide either.

My primary use of this next purchase is for competitive gaming, but I see myself wanting another set soon after for general use. I'd like to gather more feedback on the comparison of the two. Who knows? Maybe picking up both is the right thing to do? I'm at a loss and could use some help.
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you said to post on this thread, so

 

From your point of view, if you had £350 to spend on decent Headphones + Mic

 

remembering i have PC360 already with asus xonar stx what would you go for?

 

I have made a thread but no responses as of yet :(

 

mostly gaming with music aswell. (sometimes at the same time)

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I'm pretty sure the reason MLE stresses that the scores can't be compared directly is because he's never had more than 2-4 of these headphones on hand to compare directly against each other... So while he can do a relatively accurate ranking of certain aspects based on his trajectory thru them, he can't tell you X headphone is a 9.6 in one regard when directly compared against B headphone which would be a 9.2 or whatever. It's just not very practical given his resources.

 

I agree it can be a bit disorienting, but I don't see how else he could go about it tbh unless he somehow had the chance to go back and re-listen to a lot of stuff at some point, the whole guide is still a great resource.

 

 

 

 

"EACH SCORE IS REFLECTING A HEADPHONE'S OWN MERITS, AND NOT COMPARED TO ANOTHER UNLESS I SPECIFICALLY STATE SO."

 

That's the reason ^ tongue_smile.gif

 

 

The KSC75 is damn good, and it should score pretty well - but that doesn't mean it won't get destroyed by the pricier headphones with similar scores.

 

Not to mention that scores for "Fun" and "Competitive" are just very broad categories that themselves are determined by summing/averaging a bunch of other more complex subcategories - like overall signature, bass impact, warmth, treble, airiness, detail/resolution, soundstage size, imaging, etc.

 

So even if two headphones have the exact same scores they will still be different as all the parts that contributed to those scores are different and unique.  And your own personal sound preference can/will influence which of the two "identical scoring" headphones will actually sound better to you. 

 

If you know what sound you like and don't like, the scores might not matter as much.  For example, MLE gave the DT990 a 9 for "Fun", but I'm not a fan of the bright signature so I personally think the Q701 is more fun sounding, even though it has a 7.5 for "fun". eek.gif  Blasphemy!!

 

So you need to figure out what things you enjoy about certain headphones, and what type of sound are looking for.  Then go back and read the review looking for those details on how each headphones sound and how they differs from each other, and not necessarily trying to boil it down to which has the higher score.

 

 

BTW, I'm just saying all this stuff in general, not aimed at anyone specific...


Edited by chicolom - 2/18/13 at 11:41am
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Screw you! biggrin.gif

I have to rethink the 7 on the LCD2 as it sounds positive while the HD650's 7 sounds negative. Perhaps a 7.5 for the LCD2. Again, not comparing, just stating how the summary for both are quite different... Ah well.
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for a new audiophile how would find out what you like ^_^ unless you try,

 

doubt theres a decent shop in essex.
 

 

i di like the sound of my pc-360 but would like better qaulity. being a headset for £160 i can see sound qaulity dropped for paying for mic.

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The truest upgrade to the PC360 for me would be the Q701, and if you can spring for more, the K702 Anniversary is even more of an upgrade.
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cheers will look into them,

 

do you kknow of any decent clip on mics


Edited by smogsy - 2/18/13 at 11:54am
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The only mics I know of are on the first post. I use the cheap Dealextreme clip on. Hasn't failed me yet, though TBH, I hardly ever use the mic to begin with.
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for a new audiophile how would find out what you like ^_^ unless you try,

 

doubt theres a decent shop in essex.
 

 

i di like the sound of my pc-360 but would like better qaulity. being a headset for £160 i can see sound qaulity dropped for paying for mic.

 

 

Without trying anything your idea of how headphones sound is like a blank map, and each headphone you try adds another reference point on that map.  If you tried a lot of headphones you have a lot of reference points for how they all sound.  Some of them are more extreme outlier reference points than others, which is still useful (if people say a headphone has more treble than DT990, I know to run).

 

For example, I know how the PC360 sounds in relation to all the other headphones I've tried in my profile.  And if someone says, headphone X has a similar soundstage or similar balance to the PC360, I will have a pretty good idea of how headphone X sounds.

 

Every new headphone you try will help solidify what you like and dislike, so you have to try some stuff at least.

 

 

The only way to truely know how a headphone sounds, is to hear it for yourself.  You can still do a lot of "head-fi" research and narrow down you your choices though.  This is what I did in order to reach the Q701.  I had a list of 12 headphones and I went through one by one and ruled out headphones that I knew wouldn't be a good fit (pleather pads, small soundstage, etc).  Eventually I had 3 or so, and out of those I did further research and narrowed it down to the Q701. 

 

I did A LOT of research.  So...much.....confused_face.gif

 

The good thing is, now I have the knowledge and experience, and I don't need to research much at all.   I can tell pretty quickly whether or not I would like a headphone biggrin.gif  It feels gooood.

 

 

It also helps a lot to write down some of your impressions about how each headphone sounds, especially when your first starting out, otherwise after a while you can forget  - and you will lose that "reference point".  If you look back at your notes though, you can remember how they sounded and why you wrote what you did about them.


Edited by chicolom - 2/18/13 at 12:14pm
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I think the best starting point, if money permits, is something like the DT880. Very balanced, with a slight tip towards bass and treble (I stress slight). Not perfectly neutral, but colored in an agreeable way. Not sure on it's competitive gaming nature (I really need to re-visit the DT880 in higher impedances, as I feel I may like them a bit more than waaaay back when I owned them).

Just a shame the price has gone up now, and only the DT880 Pro is in a logical price range. For the price the Premiums go for, I would just save the extra money for a K702 Anniversary, really.

Is it weird that I'm looking forward to giving the Annie all my time again? Had to neglect them lately due to needing to get as much headtime with the LCD2 before I send them out to the next person, but I snuck in a few listens, and I can't help but smile.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/18/13 at 12:07pm
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I edited my previous post so many times, I went through a MLE avatar change!  biggrin.gif


Edited by chicolom - 2/18/13 at 12:15pm
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Sneaky, sneaky. Like a ninja. ph34r.gif
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Is it weird that I'm looking forward to giving the Annie all my time again? Had to neglect them lately due to needing to get as much headtime with the LCD2 before I send them out to the next person, but I snuck in a few listens, and I can't help but smile.

 

Stop it!!

 

I can't take all the warm positive feelings about the anniversary.  I wants them, I needs them.

 

I'm teeter tottering on going ahead and buying them.

 

Don't push meeee!!

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Mwahahaha. very_evil_smiley.gif

I'd still hold out a few weeks. I will send them to you first! But only if I somehow manage to keep the HE-400 or snag something new like the X1 (which I'm starting to lose hope for). I'm half tempted on selling the HE-400 and maxing out my paypal to get some LCD2 with vegan pads and calling it quits. HALF tempted. Or if some last version D7000s show up on for the sale section for like $600 or so, I would spring for them and buy some lawton leather pads, if only because leather feels better than pleather.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 2/18/13 at 12:26pm
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