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For you duders with the mixamp, at what level volume do you usually set it at? Also, do you leave the game/voice balance neutral or switch it all the way to game when not using a mic?

 

For reference, the headphones I'm using are A40*, AD700, M50, 770 pro 80.

 

 

* Not as bad as I thought, but definitely overpriced.

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Level is  constant variable for me depending on my mood, can't really say I have a standard setting.  As far as game/voice balance, I really only use the mixamp when I intend to game with my mic.  When I'm not going to use my mic, I plug my headphones into my HT receiver.  The sound is noticeably cleaner and it lets me use different EQ settings as well.L3000.gif
 

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Originally Posted by purplecrayons View Post

For you duders with the mixamp, at what level volume do you usually set it at? Also, do you leave the game/voice balance neutral or switch it all the way to game when not using a mic?

 

For reference, the headphones I'm using are A40*, AD700, M50, 770 pro 80.

 

 

* Not as bad as I thought, but definitely overpriced.



 

post #1113 of 37320

If I'm using A40's (which is when I have to use a mic), the master volume of the mixamp is around 1/3rd of max volume, with the game/voice set on the voice side at about halfway. If I'm using HFI-780s, the master volume is less than 1/4th of the max volume with game/voice set to almost 100% game. 

post #1114 of 37320

Just picked up a pair of CAL!s in a head-fi trade.  I didn't have any closed phones, and my AD700s weren't cutting it for electronic/bassy music.  The CALs of course blow them away in that area.  They have a very fun and pleasing signature. 

 

I gave them a brief run for gaming.  For gaming, the soundstage was a little small for my taste, but I'm used to open cans, and I can' really fault them there as they're closed.  They do the best they can for their design. 

 

I would still reach for an open headphone for gaming purposes, and open headphones are still the best suited for gaming IMO.  For music though, the CALs definitely filled a void for me.

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I don't know if anyone cares, but I've been doing some more comparisons with my HD-598, K601 and K702. To me these are the top 3 gaming headphones I've tried yet.

 

In the end after many days of using each, I prefer the K601, but with that I sacrifice a few things, but it's worth it.

 

First there is the HD-598. This has quite a lot of detail and it's soundstage is super huge, especially with DH. Imaging is very good, but the only problem is that the sound isn't as clear as the K601 or K702. Level of detail is very good and it's forward sounding mids really making gaming so much more engaging and fun. I would be perfectly happy with this as a primary gaming, movie and music headphone.

 

The K601 is very similar to the HD-598, but it is slightly more detailed, has a smoother sound signature, but slightly less forward mids. The soundstage is quite good and a step behind the K702, AD700 and HD-598 in terms of size. At first I felt it was less detailed than the K702, but not quite. So close that I'm now perfectly happy with the K601's level of detail. The reason I prefer the K601 over the HD-598 for gaming is that it's a lot more clear, has just as good of imaging and the extra detail helps. The K601 is slightly less of a front row like experience compared to the HD-598. It's NOTHING like the K702 though. Compared to the K702, the K601 is more of a front row like experience. The K601 is slightly more relaxed in it's mids than the 598, but they're still fairly forward sounding.

 

The K702 will be best for very competitive gamers I think. It has a ton of detail I've found and the reason I would use it over the K601 is that its far more clear to my ears. Not a huge difference, but quite a bit better. For music I prefer the K601 due to it sounding far more natural. The K702 has a HUGE soundstage and you don't really get the front row like experience. It kind of reminds me of listening to speakers in a way. With the wrong amp, the K702's mids can sound quite distant. On the E9 they're great and on my Micro Amp, even more so. My problem with the K702 is that the treble causes them to be a bit bothersome in some games. It could be my amp is too aggressive or it needs further burn-in. I'm only at the 40-50 hour mark. On the E9, the treble is just the same.

 

If you don't want to feel as if you're further away from everything (probably gives the wrong impresssion) then go with the K601. Switching from the K702 to the K601 it feels like someone chopped off that annoying treble. At first its a shocker, but the K601 really does have more than enough treble for me. If a song or game has really annoying treble that annoys my ears, it will still sound like that on the K601, but it will tame it very, very slightly. Sometimes the treble on the K702 makes things sound a bit un-natural.

 

Basically my impressions of the K601 vs the K702 are similar as before. K601 has more forward sounding mids compared to the K702 and this is probably due to the smaller soundstage and pads that are not angled. The K601 are a perfect balance of everything in it's signature I think. You could easily use this for gaming all day if you wanted to. Very non-fatiguing. They have the relaxed sound of the HD-600, but are not that laid back. They feel like a mix between things I like about the HD-600 and the K702. Weird, I know. I feel though that the K601 has more treble than the HD-600 with it's stock cable and it's more revealing and detailed. HD-600 isn't bad for gaming. I prefer the K601 to the HD-600 by far. The HD-600 doesn't seem as clear sounding overall.

 

Here's my preference right now:

 

1) AKG K601 (E9 has great synergy with this BTW!)

2) AKG K702 (E9 made me love this for gaming, but it benefits from a more expensive amp for sure)

3) Sennheiser HD-598

4) HD-650 (hate this headphone for gaming, but its nice for music. For gaming its best to have a neutral amp and cable)

 

AD700 is not a bad option. I only like it for gaming because of its massive soundstage, detail and imaging. It's slightly recessed mids are kind of a problem for me. Sometimes it's not noticeable. I prefer the HD-598 overall, but the sound feels less clear and less detailed, but better for music of course.

 

AKG K240 Studio is not bad also as a low budget gaming headphone that's equally good for music. The negative is that it's semi-open and it's soundstage isnt that large. I prefer it to the HD-555 for gaming, but not the 598. This headphone is easily found for $70 as an open box!

 

I'm also a huge fan of Koss Pro DJ 100 for gaming where a closed headphone under $100 is required. Some people like the V6 for gaming, but I believe this is much better and more detailed. I played through Bioshock 2 a year ago with this and it was quite the experience. It does have a tad too much bass for competitive gaming. I never want to suggest closed headphones though, but a few closed headphones have good sounstages (like the D2000, D7000 etc). This headphone has a ton of detail for only $80. I have yet to hear anything with more for under $100. It's also my favorite closed headphone for music under $200, but needs an amp to sound good.

 

The Beyer Dynamic DT-235 for gaming is quite nice. It sounds best with circumaural pads and modding though. Quite good for only $55! HD-497 pads fit it. Think HD-201 pads are the same.

 

Strangely I disliked the DT-880 for gaming. I never had a problem with it's mids until I tried them for gaming. I've now tried all 3. I prefer the 32 ohm version.

 

BTW in the past I disliked the K702 for gaming. Turns out it was bad amp synergy. My Asgard absolutely HATES the K702. It makes the soundstage sound funny and makes background detail sound too distant. As if tiny details are getting lost. It also made the mids sound recessed at times. Very strange. The E9 is better than the Asgard for the K702, but that doesn't mean the E9 is the better amp.

 

If you want a closed headphone for gaming that's similar to the K702, but with a fairly average soundstage, check into the KRK KNS-8400. That thing is a detail monster and it even comes with memory foam pads! It needs a ton of burn-in though. It's quite treble heavy out of the box. It has as much detail as the DT-880.

 

EDIT:

I also forgot to mention that the Audio Technica ATH-AD2000 is one of the best I've tried for gaming too. I dont suggest them due to price and how uncomfortable they are. It's mids are a bit too forward at times though. Its soundstage is smaller than the AD700 though and unlike the Ad700 it's not bass light. I find it more detailed than the K702, but most don't seem to agree. K702 might be a little more clear overall.

 


Edited by tdockweiler - 5/7/11 at 12:51pm
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I like the HD650 more than the AD700 for gaming o_O Positioning is more accurate to me.

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Originally Posted by canoners View Post

I like the HD650 more than the AD700 for gaming o_O Positioning is more accurate to me.


For non-competitive gaming I might use the HD-650 over the AD700. I guess I don't know why I put the HD-650 at #4 since I didn't want to add that to my list.

That soundstage of the AD700 sure is addicting though, but the HD-650 is far more engaging and I prefer it's mids.

 

At times I wish the HD-650 was a little more clear sounding, but still very good. I actually prefer the HD-600 over the 650 for games, but the HD-650 for music. Too bad I can't keep both!

 

Sometimes I get a little excited. I guess I don't hate the HD-650 for gaming since now that I think about it, I'd probably prefer it over the DT-880.


Edited by tdockweiler - 5/7/11 at 1:05pm
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My goal by the end of the summer is to get some black Q701s and an matrix m-stage (Class A biased) smily_headphones1.gif

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I was hoping someone on head-fi with the K701/K702 could take one for the team and see if there REALLY is a difference between them.

People often wrongly assume updates of a previous model are just marketing, but maybe not with the Q701.

 

The Q701 is said to have smoother and more tamed treble and maybe more bass. I wish and hope this is true. I think if I could tame the treble on my K702 without an EQ it might be one of my top 2 headphones for music. I've heard a tube amp can do this, but I don't like the K702 enough to want to buy one! Maybe a specific solid state amp will do this too, but again..not worth it. The E9 1/8" jack does this a tad, but it reduces it's soundstage.

 

I guess I will keep burning my K702 in past the 40-50 hour mark, but I doubt much will change.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

My goal by the end of the summer is to get some black Q701s and an matrix m-stage (Class A biased) smily_headphones1.gif



 

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I've heard the same about the Q701.  I talked to someone who said compared them and said they have "More (better) bass, and softer/warmer treble".  He preferred his K501 to his K701s, but preferred the Q701 to the K501s and 701s.

 

At any rate, if I'm going to buy any AKG flagships, it may as well be the Q701, in case what has been said about it is true (plus I like the look of the black Q701s).

 

I'm a soundstage whore, and there's not much point in getting better cans for me unless they also do soundstage extremely well.

 

.After A LOT of searching, the K70x are consistently mentioned when comparisons between the best soundstage come up.  Plus I like open cans, velours, huge earpads, etc. and they seem to meet all those criteria.  I like to picture them as baby HD800s...

post #1121 of 37320

Just saw this on Astro's website:

"ASTRO Gaming is joining the Skullcandy experience and headlining as their premium brand of video game equipment.

 

Skullcandy recognizes the strong influence of video gaming in their youth-driven, high-energy world and sees the ASTRO brand as a core part of their growing family.

 

Fueled by Skullcandy’s scale and global reach, ASTRO is about to receive a turbo boost – enabling it to continue providing the high-end gear to professional and elite gamers worldwide."

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Thread Starter 
I'm on my phone but, AW HEEEEEEELL NAW!

*insert facepalm meme*

BTW, btw, congrats on the CAL purchase. And I agree, they're not gonna beat open headphones for gaming. Still as closed headphones, I find them quite good for single player gaming more than anything. Better than the M50 for gaming, and almost as good for music (I find them to be on par with slightly different tonal characteristics).
post #1123 of 37320

Thanks, I'm enjoying the CALs  a lot with music, especially the genres that we know the AD700s fail HARD at.

 

Lets hope skull-candy doesn't give Astro gear their signature "touch-o-ugly", and start putting glittery vomit-inducing skulls all over everything  : \

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Thread Starter 
TBH, they were already going that route with their dreaded speaker tags. I think the stock black tags on the 2011 Astros are very nice. All that other schiit is just trying too hard, IMHO.
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Chic, edit that post on AVS. Admins don't believe me so I have to be a little discrete there. biggrin.gif
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