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Still haven't gamed on them though! Lol. So busy enjoying them for music.
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Hailin, the DT990 is still more fun oriented than the Annie. If I were to put bass into a quantifiable number...
DT990 - 9.0
HE400 - 8.5 (lot more sub bass than the rest, but not as bass oriented overall as the 990)
DT880 - 8.0
HD650 - 8.0
K702 Annie - 7.8
Q701 - 7.2
Old K701 - 6.9
Made up numbers but still.
The 990 and K702 Annie are very different. I feel they compete more with the 880/HD650 in terms of balance, but sound most similar to a more energetic, and open HD650. The HD650 is more closed in, slower, and more reserved in the treble. You can call it intimate. The Annie is a lot more open so it isnt as intimate.
However, if I had to guess how the Annie will perform for gaming, I will guesstimate an 8.0 for fun, 9 for competitive (similar the Q701, but warmer and not as oriented in the details).
I have no doubt they will be my first pick for general all rounder.

 

Well, thank you! It seems the two options I come down to are the He-400 and the Annie's. How's the sub-bass on the Annies? I guess the Annie's are more competitively oriented (~9.0 vs 7.5 of the He-400), with the HE being more fun.

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I actually find the Annie to actually more fun oriented in it's tonal balance! eek.gif

Actually, not because it's bass oriented, but because it's more musical and not as analytical as before.

Still, because they are still so detailed, and soundtage is huge, I will assume they to be competitive monsters, while there is still more 'fun' to be had with the more bassy HE-400 and others more bass-oriented...

Like I said, I EXPECT:

Fun: 8 (maybe even an 8.5 as bass isn't the only thing that counts for fun)
Competitive: 9

Sub bass isn't a strength in dynamic headphones (especially open ones), but I find the bass on the Annies to be very impressive on all fronts. I mean, I was always wishing more from the Q701. Not so with the Annie. It's... I mean seriously, they are amazing.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/4/13 at 1:39pm
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I actually find the Annie to actually more fun oriented in it's tonal balance! eek.gif
Actually, not because it's bass oriented, but because it's more musical and not as analytical as before.
Still, because they are still so detailed, and soundtage is huge, I will assume they to be competitive monsters, while there is still more 'fun' to be had with the more bassy HE-400 and others more bass-oriented...
Like I said, I EXPECT:
Fun: 8 (maybe even an 8.5 as bass isn't the only thing that counts for fun)
Competitive: 9
Sub bass isn't a strength in dynamic headphones (especially open ones), but I find the bass on the Annies to be very impressive on all fronts. I mean, I was always wishing more from the Q701. Not so with the Annie. It's... I mean seriously, they are amazing.

 

:O indeed. Wow. Wonderful!

 

Right. I also felt the need for it to be more musical and less analytical. I think they hit the nail on the head here.

 

All right, but you did give the 400 a 7.5 compared to the Q701's 9.5. While I'm sure the He-400 is no slouch for competitive, it would seem the Annie (as per the Q) would be better for gaming.

 

What a stellar rating, and don't forget a 10/10 for comfort! I think overall, this will be the highest rated headphone from you, lol.

 

Well, that seals the deal for me. I was always wanting more bass out of the Q's. It doesn't help that I grew up with lots of Hip-hop, with emphasis on bass (I love bass), but regardless, I never wanted something bass heavy. I'd like to appreciate the sound for what it truly is, not imparting or colouring it with anything. I suppose that's why I like reference/balanced headphones so much. I was always a balanced type of guy. Anyway, thanks yet again :D Play some games with them!

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You have to remember, I also have a ridiculously powerful amp. I have to see how they sound with less power (Mixamp alone). I did like it just fine off my phone alone. Don't know if they are more sensitive, or if the pads being more dense makes it easier for volume to reach the ears.

I think my highest rated headphone is the D7000 though. wink.gif
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With Chico's frequent statements about the Q701 bass, I wonder if maybe sample variation and/or a different life experience is making you hear the "fun" of the K701 65th Anni. I certainly had many "musical moments" with the Q's, though they seem to happen most late at night, when I'm in the mood for music and my brain has quieted down from worrying about other things. Sometimes the Q does make me shut up and take notice though lol, it really is my favorite way to listen to music. Seems Mad is having the same difficulty of pulling away I get with my Q's smily_headphones1.gif

With the current tube (a Syvania JAN 6DJ8) in my desktop amp, there is wonderfull detail, texture, and "punch" to all freq – it all sounds very natural and balanced, but I wish there was a little of the bass fatness from my Amperex 6DJ8 tube (which seems atypical for this tube mfr).
Edited by Evshrug - 1/4/13 at 2:26pm
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You have to remember, I also have a ridiculously powerful amp. I have to see how they sound with less power (Mixamp alone). I did like it just fine off my phone alone. Don't know if they are more sensitive, or if the pads being more dense makes it easier for volume to reach the ears.
I think my highest rated headphone is the D7000 though. wink.gif

 

Ah, that's right. I do too though? Yamaha Aventage RX-A710 7.1 Receiver. I'm not sure how to calculate the power though, lol. I'd be really interested in what it is! http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a710/ <<< Just click on specs. If you or anyone else would do it for me, thanks! So, I'm not worried how they'll do with less juice.

 

The sensitivity is the exact same as the Q701 at 105 SPL/V. Actually, as per the website, every spec is exactly the same, barring the frequency range. I was watching a Youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xavIoI-KWw @ 1:24 is when you can see the back of the box with 1:28 being a clear representation of the specs. You can clearly see 8hz - 39,800hz on the box, which means there is an extra 2hz in the low end. Couple that with the fact that the headband has been restructured and the new memory foam? ear pads, and you just may have your reason for why the bass is better. I heard the pads are also maybe not angled like the Q701?

 

Also, did these come with the long 6m cable? I can see it came with the "short" 3m one (which is by no means short and the one I want anyway).


Edited by SoAmusing777 - 1/4/13 at 2:42pm
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But again, the scores are NOT to be compared. A 7 for the KSC35 is not the same as a 7 for the HD650. The HD650 is MUCH, MUCH better than the KSC35. My scores reflect a headphone's own merits. I can't stress this enough.
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With Chico's frequent statements about the Q701 bass, I wonder if maybe sample variation and/or a different life experience is making you hear the "fun" of the K701 65th Anni. I certainly had many "musical moments" with the Q's, though they seem to happen most late at night, when I'm in the mood for music and my brain has quieted down from worrying about other things. Sometimes the Q does make me shut up and take notice though lol, it really is my favorite way to listen to music. Seems Mad is having the same difficulty of pulling away I get with my Q's smily_headphones1.gif
With the current tube (a Syvania JAN 6DJ8) in my desktop amp, there is wonderfull detail, texture, and "punch" to all freq – it all sounds very natural and balanced, but I wish there was a little of the bass fatness from my Amperex 6DJ8 tube (which seems atypical for this tube mfr).

 

That's when my "musical moments" happen, lol. Totally understand. I've "pulled away" once while listening. I mean, I totally felt like I was in the club where I first heard the song, then once I was gone, the next few songs were just heaven. It still left me wanting a bit more though (hint hint - bass), and when I came back, I couldn't help but notice that uncomfortable headband. AKG makes some seriously SOLID products though, at a great price, although their K3003 is way overpriced, even if it has some goldly specs combined with being the best universal IEM available.

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But again, the scores are NOT to be compared. A 7 for the KSC35 is not the same as a 7 for the HD650. The HD650 is MUCH, MUCH better than the KSC35. My scores reflect a headphone's own merits. I can't stress this enough.

 

Ah, duh, I forgot. How could I overlook that? I guess I just figured they were in the same class. Regardless, overall, the Annies would still be the highest rated.


Edited by SoAmusing777 - 1/4/13 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

With Chico's frequent statements about the Q701 bass, I wonder if maybe sample variation and/or a different life experience is making you hear the "fun" of the K701 65th Anni. I certainly had many "musical moments" with the Q's, though they seem to happen most late at night, when I'm in the mood for music and my brain has quieted down from worrying about other things. Sometimes the Q does make me shut up and take notice though lol, it really is my favorite way to listen to music. Seems Mad is having the same difficulty of pulling away I get with my Q's smily_headphones1.gif
With the current tube (a Syvania JAN 6DJ8) in my desktop amp, there is wonderfull detail, texture, and "punch" to all freq – it all sounds very natural and balanced, but I wish there was a little of the bass fatness from my Amperex 6DJ8 tube (which seems atypical for this tube mfr).

Chico's taste for bass isn't the same as mine, and while I do agree that there were times when the Q701 was as bassy as the 990 (very few times), there is a clear difference in presentation between the Qs and the Annie. The Annie provies further warmth and bass. That much is clearly evident. TBH, the Annie leans more towards sounding like an HD650 with a bigger soundstage and not as laid back, than the Q for me.

However, this is based off memory and not direct comparison.
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I have no doubt they will be my first pick for general all rounder.
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MLE - awesome stuff about the K702 Anniversary.  I guess I know what I'll be saving my pennies for!

 

 

Hey, just save one for me!!  

 

I've been a Q701 fan and ambassador since day 1, but I don't have enough cash to buy another headphone yet.  frown.gif


Edited by chicolom - 1/4/13 at 3:12pm
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I hear ya Chico, but I may finally have my fortunes turn around as more companies hire around this time. I've got some pending possibilities at a computer repair/custom build shop, and a Trader Joe's grocery store. They at least have replied to me.
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My SA-31. That thing puts out about 700mw at 600ohms. Very clean and musical amp. I love the 990, and if I had to guess, a high end tube amp with lots of warmth would be the best thing for them. I don't do tubes, and I'm growing out of bright headphones.
If anything, I'd consider the Valhalla for the DT990.
I may have the change the bass number to an 8.0 for the K702 Annie. There are times I feel they sound as bassy as the HE-400.


I was, but apparently I have heard the valhalla is actually on the brighter side

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^Ah, didn't know that. I assumed tube amps tended to run on the warm side compared to SS amps.


Okay, so I played some CoD4 and MW2 with the K02 Annie today, both with and without attaching an external amp to the Mixamp.

Good news: The K702 sounds quite lovely off the Mixamp alone. Didn't have much time comparing with and without my external amp, but they sounded nice and full either way.

Soundstage is nice and big as I expected. Clarity was top notch, so I'm expecting them to be on par with the Q701's competitive score, and a higher fun score.

My Mixamp was basically at around 60%, which is right where it starts to show some hiss. I usually have the Mixamp at around 70% for my other cans, so it was surprising to see how easy it is for the Annie to get loud.

Due to it's fullness, I expect lack of driving force won't be as obvious as thinner sounding headphones like the old K701 and DT990, so these are probably gonna be quite enjoyable even off portable amps.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/4/13 at 5:01pm
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