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Can not believe this...

 

My XB700 arehorrible, what they doto the music is just criminal.

i like my metal with lot of bass, but only when there is actually bass, this things put bass even in the cymbals...

at least they look, different, hanging there with the rest. because thats all they are gonna do.


I think the sr80's you have are more suited for metal, I personally use sr225 for my metal, and if I want some extra punchyness with it mdr-7506 with beyer pads. The XB series is just a sinful guilty pleasure for the megabass lovers, that's why I only listen to electronic with itbiggrin.gifbasshead.gif


you are right about the SR80s, also K240 is good for metals.

btw, XB700 are 129$?

i got mine at 79 months ago...

there are too many good headphones at 120$ range, even the ATH M50 is there

post #107 of 499
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what headphones at any price produce more bass than the XB series?
 

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Fixed it for ya.


 

Been wondering this myself. I mean Speaker set up can have more bass that's easy but headphones?
 



JVC HA/HP-DX1000 is the only high end one I've heard that's capable of putting out more bass than the XB series. And it's actual good bass. Bloated, yes. Uncontrolled? Not really. People say the TakeT H2, L3000, and PS1 are amazing at bass too. The thing about the XB series is that they seem to have so much bass because the mids are EQ'd down, especially with the 700. So this is an easy way to make a headphone seem to have more bass than it actually does. The DX1000 still has recessed mids, but not as much as the XB700 iirc, and it's more visceral.

 

I didn't really comment on the DX1000 before because it was just a short audition, but GreatDane seems to have the same feelings.

post #108 of 499
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what headphones at any price produce more bass than the XB series?
 

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Fixed it for ya.


 

Been wondering this myself. I mean Speaker set up can have more bass that's easy but headphones?
 



JVC HA/HP-DX1000 is the only high end one I've heard that's capable of putting out more bass than the XB series. And it's actual good bass. Bloated, yes. Uncontrolled? Not really. People say the TakeT H2, L3000, and PS1 are amazing at bass too. The thing about the XB series is that they seem to have so much bass because the mids are EQ'd down, especially with the 700. So this is an easy way to make a headphone seem to have more bass than it actually does. The DX1000 still has recessed mids, but not as much as the XB700 iirc, and it's more visceral.

 

I didn't really comment on the DX1000 before because it was just a short audition, but GreatDane seems to have the same feelings.

 

But whats the price of the DX1000?
I think the most bass one can get at afforable price is XB series, but not my cup ot tea for sure. specially for my music tastes

post #109 of 499
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I OWn the Vmodas and did a mod to try to increase Treble but it actually created more basss DAMn these Things when you play Young Jeezy-White girl and PUt 15+db of 40Hz-10hz Theses things hydroplane on your skull with the vibrations. YOu can put then on your desk and see the cups move!!.. But then u cant hear anything else the Sonys you can hear other stuff. and regarding the cymbals with bass.. Personally I kinda like that so i can FEEL it .. So that i can believe its there. But That may be a completely Different story, and may be Discarded as a completely screwed up view. But i have concluded these sonys are great for techno SPLENDID. they also have a nice sound stage!

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Can not believe this...

 

My XB700 arehorrible, what they doto the music is just criminal.

i like my metal with lot of bass, but only when there is actually bass, this things put bass even in the cymbals...

at least they look, different, hanging there with the rest. because thats all they are gonna do.


I think the sr80's you have are more suited for metal, I personally use sr225 for my metal, and if I want some extra punchyness with it mdr-7506 with beyer pads. The XB series is just a sinful guilty pleasure for the megabass lovers, that's why I only listen to electronic with itbiggrin.gifbasshead.gif


you are right about the SR80s, also K240 is good for metals.

btw, XB700 are 129$?

i got mine at 79 months ago...

there are too many good headphones at 120$ range, even the ATH M50 is there



amazon is currently out of stock apparently, but you can find them here for less than $80.00:

 

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=mdr-xb700&N=0&InitialSearch=yes

 

and I think they are excellent bang for the buck. the XB1000 will be probably around the $95.00  street tag since the retail seems to be just slightly more than XB700.

post #111 of 499

Well the LCD-2 can put out 2hz at 10+ watts without breaking. I dare you to try and find more possible bass from a headphone. (I am not responsible for any broken headphones)

 

And just so we are all clear: You CANNOT hear subsonic frequencies... hence the names.

 

If you are playing a 15hz test tone and you hear bass, it is harmonic distortion higher up... which happens to almost always be at its greatest in the bass. Not matter how much you crank anything, you cannot get past the biological limitations of your ears.  :(

 

Would be neat is Sony surprises everyone with these, though.

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^^^ thats true But How do you know the L2 is actually reproducing that 2hzs? at 10 watts? sure you wont hear the bass but you can feel it. You can feel your ear drum flexing. which is bad but you can. also we are still talking 100$ headphones here! Humans have a Range of Subsonic hearing about 40-25-20 Hz. For some reason my father comes up into my room and screams. What is that Deep rumbling!? When i play a 15 hz swine out of my subwoofers, he being 2 flights down. So he must be able to Perceive it as sound, or just the compression waves.

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If you are playing a 15hz test tone and you hear bass, it is harmonic distortion higher up... No matter how much you crank anything, you cannot get past the biological limitations of your ears.  :(


Well I would think it's different for everyone, and I would think the frequency response of the ear is a curve, not a brick wall, similar to the response curves of microphones and speakers. In other words, I don't think everyone can hear 20 but drop to 19 and boom no matter what the amplitude nobody can hear it. Granted this is pure speculation, I'm not an audiologist, but isn't it possible we can hear 19 (or 15) but that the ear's response is drastically attenuated at that frequency that it takes a large amplitude to register heard sound?

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And just so we are all clear: You CANNOT hear subsonic frequencies... hence the names.

 

 


I lol'd at that.

post #115 of 499
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hmm You can hear subsonic frequencies. Just not the sub sub sonic. 15-1hz

post #116 of 499
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^^^ thats true But How do you know the L2 is actually reproducing that 2hzs? at 10 watts? sure you wont hear the bass but you can feel it. You can feel your ear drum flexing. which is bad but you can. also we are still talking 100$ headphones here! Humans have a Range of Subsonic hearing about 40-25-20 Hz. For some reason my father comes up into my room and screams. What is that Deep rumbling!? When i play a 15 hz swine out of my subwoofers, he being 2 flights down. So he must be able to Perceive it as sound, or just the compression waves.


Lower frequencies travel much easier through walls than high frequencies. As the signal passes and is slowed down, it is effectively not the same frequency it was when it started, and could very well be audible.

What he is most likely hearing though is your damned subwoofer humping your floor ;)

 

As for how I know about the LCD-2 measurement, the guy who made the headphone and I discussed them a bit. He owns a dubstep/electronica label and he wanted a reference headphone that really was a reference for everything. And to do dub it had to go as low as possible so their aim was a truly flat headphone down to 10hz.

 

I will leave it to someone else to calculate, should they desire, they SPL at 10 watts. They are 91 dB at 1 mW.

 


 

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If you are playing a 15hz test tone and you hear bass, it is harmonic distortion higher up... No matter how much you crank anything, you cannot get past the biological limitations of your ears.  :(


Well I would think it's different for everyone, and I would think the frequency response of the ear is a curve, not a brick wall, similar to the response curves of microphones and speakers. In other words, I don't think everyone can hear 20 but drop to 19 and boom no matter what the amplitude nobody can hear it. Granted this is pure speculation, I'm not an audiologist, but isn't it possible we can hear 19 (or 15) but that the ear's response is drastically attenuated at that frequency that it takes a large amplitude to register heard sound?


TBH I am not exactly sure and there could be some truth to this, but essentially the response is indeed "rolled off" in the very low, and very high, and then you just cease to hear once it passes a certain threshold. What I was getting at though is in the case of subwoofers there generally is lots of distortion, which increases as you turn the volume up... so if you are playing 10 hz and you think you hear it... you are most likely hearing something at 2X hz that is distortion of the 10hz wave.

Humans have consistent hearing and the curve is indeed average for all humans, but people don't have super hearing in a biological sense. Being aware of the sense and fully utilizing them is different from what your biological limits are. This is why with the same 20hz  to 20khz people have very difference capacities for sound perception. The average person can't even fully handle the garbage on the radio because they never bothered to listen in detail, they just follow the lyrics. But they have the same capacity as you and me.
 

post #117 of 499
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But whats the price of the DX1000?
I think the most bass one can get at afforable price is XB series, but not my cup ot tea for sure. specially for my music tastes



The original comment that was meant to was for someone that said there would be no headphones that produce more bass. Just trying to bring some reality into this. biggrin.gif But yes, if you're a bass head, the XB series is brilliant, and with the way Sony headphones' street prices go, it'll be likely to be able to get these under $100 in a few months. And about the mids, it's probably going to stay a bit recessed for the sake of the deep bass, but you never know.

post #118 of 499

these look incredible. i want a pair for when i listen to electronic music. these would be no good for my metal music which takes up 90% of my listening. but heck i really want to try these.

post #119 of 499
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hmm You can hear subsonic frequencies. Just not the sub sub sonic. 15-1hz



why would they call them subsonic if people could hear them?

 

"Sound" is a human perception... they are just waves like any other.

 

Sound is the range humans can hear, just as light is the range humans can see. (well ok it has to be vibrating air for us to hear so not EXACTLY the same)

 

but it is the same with colours, infrared is below what we can see, and ultraviolet is above what we can see..... subsonic, ultrasonic..

 

Saying you can hear subsonic frequencies is like telling me you can see infrared... which you can't. No one can.

post #120 of 499

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Saying you can hear subsonic frequencies is like telling me you can see infrared... which you can't. No one can.

 

But what if the infrared (or ultraviolet) is really really bright (high luminosity)?

 

wink.gif
 

To elaborate, infrared and ultraviolet are very defined scientifically (and anthrocentrically) -- are subsonic and ultrasonic defined the same, in absolute terms? Because it seems relative. If I can't hear 17Khz, then that is by definition ultrasonic to me.

 

Actually, infrasound is the scientific term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound . Read the section on human reactions to infrasound. Fairly interesting.

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