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post #3106 of 3844
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

EDIT: and by the way, the sine sweep is a mono source, I'm not sure the most natural sensation would be from the outside.


If the headphone is supposed to optimized for playing normally mixed music then a mono source should like its directly in front of you and then slowly lose all sense of directionality and sound like its coming from everywhere as the frequency is lowered.

post #3107 of 3844
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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post


If the headphone is supposed to optimized for playing normally mixed music then a mono source should like its directly in front of you and then slowly lose all sense of directionality and sound like its coming from everywhere as the frequency is lowered.

Yeah at low frequencies, I hardly can say where it comes from. But otherwise I tend to represent things in the back of my head , and not in front, although I  guess it's just an illusion, and that's  how my mind  represent things.
 

 

post #3108 of 3844

I think reverberation-type distortion is extremely important to perceived soundstage. This would explain why closed headphones typically don't do as well as open ones in this area. It also makes sense, because soundstage is NOT just stereo -- soundstage is audible with pure mono recordings, just obviously without correct width if any. You can tell whether an sound is behind or in front of you (stereo doesn't help here), and I think it's how your brain interprets extremely subtle reverberations caused by the shaping of the ear.

post #3109 of 3844
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I think reverberation-type distortion is extremely important to perceived soundstage. This would explain why closed headphones typically don't do as well as open ones in this area.

That's not logical there's obviously more reverberations on a closed headphone. I thought high end headphone try to eliminate them, but I might be wrong.
There was a time I was adding on purpose some stereo reverb dsp to increase the perceived soundstage on my srh940  , but since I've done my mod, I don't feel anymore the need to do this (it's enough "open" , and the reverb add muddiness).

Also what's wrong with the "physical" reverberations on a headphone, is that you can't combine left & right channels to increase further the impression of soundtsage (reverb is induced separately on each channels). But with a dsp you can do this, and emulate the reverberations from a true room.

post #3110 of 3844

The idea is you DON'T want more reverberations than are in the recording. If you introduce reverberations from a 4" diameter enclosure, then your soundstage will be interpreted as something 4" wide next to your ears. See the logic now? :)


Edited by ac500 - 1/29/12 at 2:13pm
post #3111 of 3844
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

The idea is you DON'T want more reverberations than are in the recording.

So the less there's reverb induced by headphones , the more it might sound "open" ? Otherwise how would you explain that open headphone have a wider soundstage. Because obviously the open design eliminate some reverb.

post #3112 of 3844

Yeah... that's exactly what I said. Maybe something is being lost in the translation.

post #3113 of 3844

Not really on topic with what's being discussed, but I recently picked up the beyerdynamic DT 1350s and it made me put my 940s on the shelf for the better part of 2 months, I recently got some new music and I think everyone who's found an amp to pair with the 940s that they are happy with should listen to "My Fathers Shoes" by Cliff Eberhardt, I'm listening to it and it sounds so crystal clear, i'm truly blown away. 

post #3114 of 3844

My HD800s arrived and only reconfirmed my quick impressions from earlier. The SRH940 treble is practically blurry compared to the insanely detailed and fast transient response of the HD800. Obviously everything else is not even within 1000 miles of the HD800 (bass sounds surprisingly strong on my HD800), and... well like I said earlier it's almost offensive to the HD800 to even imply the SRH940 compares.

 

And to those who say the SRH940 sound signature is close to the HD800... I really disagree. The HD800 shares the concept of "forward treble" but that's where the similarity ends. Treble sound signature sounds very different. Far more bass on the HD800 and bass extension right down to the limits of my hearing (quite impactful and weighty actually! Impressive because there's no mid-bass hump to speak of)

 

I'll do a more careful comparison after I'm sure I'm over the "honeymoon phase", but I doubt the analysis will be different.


Edited by ac500 - 1/30/12 at 11:22am
post #3115 of 3844
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

 well like I said earlier it's almost offensive to the HD800 to even imply the SRH940 compares.

Well great, I was always skeptical with the comparison with the hd800. I  think the rumor helped shure to sell more srh940, as even myself was influenced by it.
I guess you'd sell soon or later your srh940.

However biggrin.gif, I think the srh940 have still room from improvements in term of sound quality , once you mod them.  You can easily increase the depth of the srh940  ear cups  ,
using cotton balls or better a rope/cable, and they deliver better  clarity 
and are more neutral .   The mod is reversible, and I 'd happy if you could spend few minutes to try it and then report your impressions.

post #3116 of 3844
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

My HD800s arrived and only reconfirmed my quick impressions from earlier. The SRH940 treble is practically blurry compared to the insanely detailed and fast transient response of the HD800. Obviously everything else is not even within 1000 miles of the HD800 (bass sounds surprisingly strong on my HD800), and... well like I said earlier it's almost offensive to the HD800 to even imply the SRH940 compares.


Wait a couple of months and report back.

post #3117 of 3844

Sorry but it's not gonna be different. There's just no way. It's literally like saying "wait 3 months and report back and you'll see that your iBuds sound just as good as HD650s". It's just not gonna happen. I know everyone's hearing is different and everything, but unless you're rather hearing impaired or have a very strange preference... there's just no way they can compare.

 

But yes I'll report back after months of course :D. I'm telling you though, don't get your hopes up.

post #3118 of 3844
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

Sorry but it's not gonna be different. There's just no way. It's literally like saying "wait 3 months and report back and you'll see that your iBuds sound just as good as HD650s". It's just not gonna happen. I know everyone's hearing is different and everything, but unless you're rather hearing impaired or have a very strange preference... there's just no way they can compare.

 


Sorry but that's what everybody says five minutes after their spendy new toy arrives biggrin.gif

post #3119 of 3844

You really think the SRH940 competes with the HD800? Seriously? You've compared them and you think this?

 

I'm not hearing it. Like I said I'll report back after a few weeks/months, but like I said, don't bet money on your theory.

 

Edit: I'm not joking, the difference is so massive, it's just... laughable. I don't understand how anyone here could ever claim the SRH940 competes? Are you deaf? There's no way they compare. I'm hearing things on the HD800 that simple are not there on the SRH940 at all, and that's just scratching the surface of how they're superior (there's also tonality etc.). This discussion is stupid.


Edited by ac500 - 1/30/12 at 1:41pm
post #3120 of 3844
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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

Sorry but it's not gonna be different. There's just no way. It's literally like saying "wait 3 months and report back and you'll see that your iBuds sound just as good as HD650s". It's just not gonna happen. I know everyone's hearing is different and everything, but unless you're rather hearing impaired or have a very strange preference... there's just no way they can compare.

 

But yes I'll report back after months of course :D. I'm telling you though, don't get your hopes up.



I believe you, especially since you don't have "Casey" in your forum name.tongue_smile.gif

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