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post #2011 of 3844

 

 

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Fletcher-Munson.gif

 


 

Uh huh

 

post #2012 of 3844

That, and I am pretty sure any treble emphasis we are hearing isn't specifically at 10kHz.  The graph doesn't seem to represent the collective subjective experience, and to me that matters much more.

 

post #2013 of 3844

 

The graph represents that we are typically most sensitive around 4kHz, and the least sensitive below 60Hz and above 12kHz, where the radars on our head have difficulty in picking up the frequencies.

 

If you boost the frequencies the radar has difficulty in picking up, then you will achieve a linearized frequency response inside the radar.

 

The way people make their music and adjust the frequency/volume is entirely up to them, but at least with high quality live recordings without touching the signal we have a reference point.

 

post #2014 of 3844

@Pratt

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I have no need for "better" crazy expensive small drivers held together by plastic and metal...a few hundred for that is insane as it is, the profit margin is huge.


Well said. Sometimes I think it's a joke. Seriously , once I removed the pad of my hd595 ...   I saw the weak little piece of plastic called drivers  ...  I  was thinking , it's theses little pieces of plastic that delivers sound, and I paid 150 euros  for that !  

@Ra97oR

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The treble spike is fun to listen to for a while but after 40 mins or so, its hard to stand


Yeah, but with some music it's ok. Try the basic dsp changes I've suggested :
http://www.head-fi.org/t/533716/shure-srh-940/1995#post_7868305
100% free to try.

@Dan S

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I do prefer a slightly warm sound for long-term listening because I find it less fatiguing.


Yeah, I believe this is called Sennheiser. But you can try some dsp too ...

@achristilaw

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Your not going to EQ your way to bliss people. Neutrality is just that....neutral!


Not Bliss.  Just an enjoyable experience  with most music.
Anyway, the srh940 are not neutral at all by default, at least for me.

post #2015 of 3844

This is a long thread, I can't go through it.

Many already read  Dale Thorn's comparison between Shure 940 and Sennheiser HD800. Do they really sound so similar ? Almost like "twins" ? It'd be wonderful for the wallet, isn't it?

post #2016 of 3844
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Originally Posted by bcasey25raptor View Post

Are you sure?

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3101
Except for a spike at 9khz it still recesses by a good 5 db. Why do people on this site hate treble so much. Boosted treble would be above 0db. The treble on these look rather flat and neutral (TRUE NEUTRAL)

 

And guys there is still boasted midbass. By about 3db. There is no neutral to some people and colored to others. Neutral is a straight line.

 

This graph shows a recession in sub bass, flat mids, slightly boasted midbass, and recessed treble. I really need to question the merit of people on here about their knowledge on audio and how it should sound.

 

 

I would also like to point out that the shure srh840 is a colored bass heavy headphone.


bcasey, I thought  about the same thing when I had the 940. It looks way more flat, so why doesn't it really sound like it? I think it's a mistake to just draw a line through, it's just not that easy. What also matters is how big a change there is in frequencies relative to each other.

Also a headphone that measured as a perfectly straight line would probably sound terrible. Generally, there's drops at around 6khz and 12khz, and the midrange slopes downwards slightly from 1k. Otherwise things get bright or harsh.

If you just measure everything against a straight line the HD800 is a bass monster. That's what everyone who owns them says right?

Look up the 840 and 940s measurements at innerfidelity. Think of the midrange as 300hz-6khz (fullness to the "crunchiness" of sounds), and look at where the bass and treble sit relative to it for both, and you can see the differences between the two more clearly than if you just draw a straight line. The peak in the treble vs 1-2khz, for instance
 

 

post #2017 of 3844
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Originally Posted by david1978jp View Post

This is a long thread, I can't go through it.

Many already read  Dale Thorn's comparison between Shure 940 and Sennheiser HD800. Do they really sound so similar ? Almost like "twins" ? It'd be wonderful for the wallet, isn't it?


The sound signature isn't the last word of course. In my experience, the HD800 is significantly more comfortable, has a better soundstage and is open-back, and has better registration of upper harmonics. But still they sound an awful lot alike. Most experienced headphone users will agree that different headphones will usually sound many times more different from each other than amps would sound from other amps. Particularly in frequency response where amps are pretty flat, given no impedance issues. But the 940 compared to 800 is the closest I've ever heard two headphones sound, about as different as two average amps from each other, ignoring soundstage and the very small difference in harmonics.
post #2018 of 3844
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

The graph represents that we are typically most sensitive around 4kHz, and the least sensitive below 60Hz and above 12kHz, where the radars on our head have difficulty in picking up the frequencies.

 

If you boost the frequencies the radar has difficulty in picking up, then you will achieve a linearized frequency response inside the radar.

 

The way people make their music and adjust the frequency/volume is entirely up to them, but at least with high quality live recordings without touching the signal we have a reference point.

 


If you get a couple of the better sinewave sweeps off the Web and run them from say, 1 khz up to 10 khz with the 940, you can get a pretty good idea of the major variances from flat. Most people will hear pretty much the same thing unless they have hearing damage or their ears are plugged with wax. I've found that my better headphones don't vary that much in that range, but a few of the lower priced like the Beyer DT-1350 and DT-48E had some wild variances.
post #2019 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Ra97oR View Post

While the SRH940 have good clarity, ................
On most recording, it just sounds bland and boring.

If I remember this correctly, the guy at Innerfidelity, in his comments on the Sennheiser HD800, said that while he felt they were great, the best dynamic ever and other words to that effect, he still noted that he didn't use them for most listening for this very reason. It's no coincidence that the 940 shares that with the HD800 - that so-called 'neutral' signature is boring for a lot of people. Maybe for everyone and the rest just won't admit it. Who knows.
post #2020 of 3844

You basically hit the nail on the head right there. The cure for this would be to combine the revealing headphone (hd800 or shure 940 in this case) with an amp that makes them come alive with good musicality. In the end you get the best of both worlds.

post #2021 of 3844

 

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Originally Posted by oldshoe99 View Post

If you get a couple of the better sinewave sweeps off the Web and run them from say, 1 khz up to 10 khz with the 940, you can get a pretty good idea of the major variances from flat. Most people will hear pretty much the same thing unless they have hearing damage or their ears are plugged with wax. I've found that my better headphones don't vary that much in that range, but a few of the lower priced like the Beyer DT-1350 and DT-48E had some wild variances.
 



Can you link me to one? I've done those sweeps before but they come in linear, logarithmic, and something else... it's a bit confusing so I haven't looked into it deeply, but the Sony MDR-V6 did sound very linear during one of those sweeps to me, whereas the Hifiman RE272 did not, for example.

 

 

 

post #2022 of 3844

 

I mean... the graph I linked in post #2011, that's a ~$500 studio headphone, and the FR is all over the place!

 

HOWEVER... it looks very similiar to the average equal loudness contour...

post #2023 of 3844
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post

You basically hit the nail on the head right there. The cure for this would be to combine the revealing headphone (hd800 or shure 940 in this case) with an amp that makes them come alive with good musicality. In the end you get the best of both worlds.


There's good news and there's bad news. I'll just skip the good news and say that picking an amp is an agonizing process unless you get lucky, or you buy with 100 percent money back and have the patience to make sure you get the right one. I've found headphone reviews to have some reliable information when I put several of them together, but with amp reviews I get lost in the details.
post #2024 of 3844

 

Apparently these compete with the SRH-940, anyone heard them? http://www.head-fi.org/t/560605/krk-kns-6400-review-impressive-99-giant-killer

 

 

 

post #2025 of 3844
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 



Can you link me to one? I've done those sweeps before but they come in linear, logarithmic, and something else... it's a bit confusing so I haven't looked into it deeply, but the Sony MDR-V6 did sound very linear during one of those sweeps to me, whereas the Hifiman RE272 did not, for example.

 

 

 


More good news and bad news. The bad news is I got one sweep from somewhere I can't find, but after using it for awhile I decided it was compressing amplitude too much and quit using it. The good news is I found one that seems reliable, a simple sweep from 2 hz (yes, 2 hz) to 21 khz, and that's at the HDTracks site, on the Epiphany Recordings test album. You can buy the track separately for $1.49 and it's 2:13 in length. It's available as FLAC and other formats.
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