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post #1951 of 3844
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Originally Posted by DarkAndroid View Post

 

What?!? Going by this that means Apple must ship fake iBuds with all their iPods and iPhones! Because they all sound like crap! Dull, flat sound. And the fact that iPods and iPhones output relatively low quality sound from their headphone jacks to begin with doesnt help matters.
 

 


Sorry - BS IMO.  I have the IP4 and it has a very clean DAC and actually sounds great out of the HP out (B2 IEMs and modded MS1is).  I have portable amps - but quite a lot of the time I either use the HP out on my iPod Touch G4 or IP4.  Yes I do use the line-out when I want to get a clean signal to my E11 or PortaTube - but crap out of the HP out ...... yeah right rolleyes.gif

 

Second - yes the iBuds have terrible bass - but try listening to them in a quiet environment.  The mids and treble are actually not bad.  They get a bad rap - and yes I'd rather use my IEMs or cans - but in a pinch, the buds are OK.  They are miles better than the generic crap buds you can buy for a couple of bucks that seem to be flooding the market aimed at teenagers.  Also - try using the buds and pressing them enough to create a seal.  Then you get bass as well.  It hurts like heck after a few seconds - but you'll get a better idea of what these little things are capable of.

 

Honestly - reading your post read like a typical hipster 'cool to hate Apple'.  Sorry - that's the way it seemed to me.  I agree with Kiteki (and I don't usually agree with him that often wink.gif).  They're nowhere near the peak of audio greatness - but IMO they are not crap, and neither is the HP out on the latest iPods / iPhones.

post #1952 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post


Sorry - BS IMO.  I have the IP4 and it has a very clean DAC and actually sounds great out of the HP out (B2 IEMs and modded MS1is).  I have portable amps - but quite a lot of the time I either use the HP out on my iPod Touch G4 or IP4.  Yes I do use the line-out when I want to get a clean signal to my E11 or PortaTube - but crap out of the HP out ...... yeah right rolleyes.gif

 

Second - yes the iBuds have terrible bass - but try listening to them in a quiet environment.  The mids and treble are actually not bad.  They get a bad rap - and yes I'd rather use my IEMs or cans - but in a pinch, the buds are OK.  They are miles better than the generic crap buds you can buy for a couple of bucks that seem to be flooding the market aimed at teenagers.  Also - try using the buds and pressing them enough to create a seal.  Then you get bass as well.  It hurts like heck after a few seconds - but you'll get a better idea of what these little things are capable of.

 

Honestly - reading your post read like a typical hipster 'cool to hate Apple'.  Sorry - that's the way it seemed to me.  I agree with Kiteki (and I don't usually agree with him that often wink.gif).  They're nowhere near the peak of audio greatness - but IMO they are not crap, and neither is the HP out on the latest iPods / iPhones.

 

I have an iPhone 4S which I'm absolutely in love with, and also an iPod Shuffle, so no, I'm not an "apple-hater", if thats the impression I gave, quite rather I would say I'm the opposite. I think the thing is that people actually dont realize how bad something sounds until they hear something better. I use my iPhone 4S with my Shure SRH 940 headphones, since the head of the plug of the other cans I have ( HD 598 and M50) unfortunately wont fit through the case I use with the fone, and I was OK with the sound until I decided to try out the iWOW-3D adapter as a line-out jack with the iPhone.....holy crap!!! The difference between the normal iPhone audio output and the audio through the iWOW adapter is like comparing black and white to color. With the iWOW, music is so much more fuller, more detailed, clear, lively, the highs, mids and lows are all drastically improved, and it has a "deep bass" option that really makes the bass kick, which is what the SRH 940 needs since they are kind of light on the bass compared to other cans. It eliminated the need to use any EQ settings on the iPhone. I will never ever listen to music straight from my iPhone HP out again. I tried your suggestion and pushed the iBuds into my ears to get bass, but doing that is just making me realize more how dull, lifeless and flat these things sound compare to other earbuds. Even plugging it into the iWOW adapter doesnt help much.

 

For "normal" people, the iBuds may suffice, but for audiophiles like us, we are supposed to go for the best, right?   :-)

 

I agree with you that the iBuds are good in a pinch though, like if you are outside listening to a podcast or something, and I'll admit, there are worse earbuds out there in the market. Like the Skullcandy I bought at the airport. $25 down the drain. How I wish I had known better :-/
 

 

edit: heres a link to the SRS Labs iWOW-3D Audio Enhancement Adaptor for iPhone, iPod and iPad on Amazon.com

 

http://www.amazon.com/SRS-Labs-iWOW-3D-Enhancement-Adaptor/dp/B0026650XS/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

 


Edited by DarkAndroid - 10/29/11 at 2:44am
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I think part of the problem might be if you were using the inbuilt EQ on the IP4 (or any iPod for that matter).  It really is abysmal.  Flat however (no EQ), the IP4 has great sound - either from HP out or line-out.  If you need to use EQ - get either the Equaliser or Equ app.

 

We can agree to disagree on the buds.  Comparing them to your 598s or SRH940 (in my case the HD600, DT880 etc) is not really fair - they will never have the resolution.  Set your sights lower though and ignore the muted bass ......  I don't use mine - but I was surprised when I actually tried them.  Not quite the "dead" experience I was expecting.

 

Thanks for the link on the iWOW - interesting indeed.  If I get the chance to try one I definitely will.  In the meantime, the E11 for my MS1is, and the PortaTube for my HD600s keep me very happy.

post #1954 of 3844
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Originally Posted by DarkAndroid View Post
 I was OK with the sound until I decided to try out the iWOW-3D adapter as a line-out jack with the iPhone.....holy crap!!! The difference between the normal iPhone audio output and the audio through the iWOW adapter is like comparing black and white to color.

That's not a fair comparison, you are applying srs exciters to your output.
I found the output of my onboard realtek very dull too, and applying some dsp, helped me to mitigate this.  But when I moved again to my pc with my xonar stx, I realised what I was missing despite all the possible exciters, and dsp tricks. Still  using some dsp, but I revised my settings .

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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

I think part of the problem might be if you were using the inbuilt EQ on the IP4 (or any iPod for that matter).  It really is abysmal.  Flat however (no EQ), the IP4 has great sound - either from HP out or line-out.  If you need to use EQ - get either the Equaliser or Equ app.

 

We can agree to disagree on the buds.  Comparing them to your 598s or SRH940 (in my case the HD600, DT880 etc) is not really fair - they will never have the resolution.  Set your sights lower though and ignore the muted bass ......  I don't use mine - but I was surprised when I actually tried them.  Not quite the "dead" experience I was expecting.

 

Thanks for the link on the iWOW - interesting indeed.  If I get the chance to try one I definitely will.  In the meantime, the E11 for my MS1is, and the PortaTube for my HD600s keep me very happy.



I've never really liked listening to music on a flat EQ setting....after testing all the EQ presets on iPhone I found that Electronic (v-shaped???) does it for me. Even on the computer, on iTunes and Foobar 2K, the Equaliser settings I use tend to have a v-shape that emphasizes the treble and bass and lowers the midrange. I dont know why, buy this makes the full range of my music sound very nice and clear, not only the highs and lows but also the mids, than if I hadnt used any EQ at all. Maybe its just my ears or preference I guess.

I know its not fair to compare a stock earbud to a a full headphone, I ought to be comparing it to other earbuds in its class, but I think we can all agree that relatively speaking, when you look at everything available on the market, Apple earbud sound quality is just a bit below average. Not terrible, but like Kiteki said there are certainly viable, inexpensive alternatives.

You, really, really should just at least give the iWOW at a try. I was skeptical about them before I bought them, but as soon as you plug them in you will know that the difference it makes in the iPhone audio quality is just simply incredible. You would have to be tone-deaf not to hear the difference. Its also good because now I can use all my headphones with my iPhone since the headphone jack of the iWOW is at the other end of a cord. Better than lugging a FiiO E7 everywhere along with my Phone. Best $35 bucks I've spent recently. :-)

 


Edited by DarkAndroid - 10/29/11 at 6:13am
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I'll just reiterate my previous post - if you were relying on the built-in EQ from your iPod, it's no wonder you had such a low opinion of the SQ.  The built-in options are awful.

 

Purchase either the Equalizer or Equ apps (I like Equalizer better) - the app is only a few dollars - very much worth it.  You then have a full range parametric equaliser at your finger tips.  Looking at the EQ you are applying (V shaped), have you ever thought that maybe you're using the wrong cans?  Eg Senn 598 and SRH940 - why didn't you just get a DT990 and leave the EQ alone? wink.gif

 

Just kidding - pleased you've found what ticks your boxes.

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You, really, really should just at least give the iWOW at a try.

 

I  have a cowon player with BBE , so I  don't need SRS  on it .
On my computer I   tried the software version of SRS , I  liked it better than dfx enhancer, but  my pc crashed often with it.

I'm now using a DSP chain, tweaked for subtle changes (with BBE as exciters...)

But having a good source from begin, is more rewarding than relying on dsp tricks to mitigate the flaws of a source.

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you will know that the difference it makes in the iPhone audio quality is just simply incredible. You would have to be tone-deaf not to hear the difference.

That's a problem I  got : the srs effect is grabbing too much of your attention, and if you listen for a long time, it's like loudness compression: nice at begin, boring at long term. I  didn't have the time to experiment too much with srs software solution, because I  got enough of the crashes.
 

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Apple earbud sound quality is just a bit below average

The difference with my k317 earbuds is not small at all.

post #1958 of 3844
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

I'll just reiterate my previous post - if you were relying on the built-in EQ from your iPod, it's no wonder you had such a low opinion of the SQ.  The built-in options are awful.

 

Purchase either the Equalizer or Equ apps (I like Equalizer better) - the app is only a few dollars - very much worth it.  You then have a full range parametric equaliser at your finger tips.  Looking at the EQ you are applying (V shaped), have you ever thought that maybe you're using the wrong cans?  Eg Senn 598 and SRH940 - why didn't you just get a DT990 and leave the EQ alone? wink.gif

 

Just kidding - pleased you've found what ticks your boxes.


I looked up the Equalizer app on the App Store. It looks like a good app. I'll probably purchase it sometime in the near future, if not for anything else, just for the fact that the iPod software doesnt come with any option to adjust your own custom settings, just presets. Anything to get the best sound possible from my iPhone.

 



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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post


 

I  have a cowon player with BBE , so I  don't need SRS  on it .
On my computer I   tried the software version of SRS , I  liked it better than dfx enhancer, but  my pc crashed often with it.

I'm now using a DSP chain, tweaked for subtle changes (with BBE as exciters...)

But having a good source from begin, is more rewarding than relying on dsp tricks to mitigate the flaws of a source.

That's a problem I  got : the srs effect is grabbing too much of your attention, and if you listen for a long time, it's like loudness compression: nice at begin, boring at long term. I  didn't have the time to experiment too much with srs software solution, because I  got enough of the crashes.
 

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The difference with my k317 earbuds is not small at all.

 

so what is BBE? and which software are you using to play your music on your PC? Foobar? iTunes? Windows Media Player? I agree that its important to have a good source, and its a shame that most of the music im into (pop, r&b, hip-hop, electronic) is produced in such a way to overcome the low-fidelity sound systems that are common today, thereby compromising the quality of the music itself. I find that most of my older music from the 80's/early 90's sounds better and more natural than my modern music. They dont make 'em like they use to. :-)
And while having a good source is arguably the most important thing, I dont see anything wrong in messing around with DSP to make whatever you are listening to sound even better than it already does. You say the srs effect gets boring after a while, but honestly, I dont see how I'm going to get bored with this in the next few years to come. It makes all the music in my library sound brand-new!!!! I think I even prefer the sound from this to the E7/E9 combo from my PC, though I'm not sure yet.

 

post #1959 of 3844
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Originally Posted by DarkAndroid View Post

 

so what is BBE?

 

You say the srs effect gets boring after a while, but honestly, I dont see how I'm going to get bored with this in the next few years to come. It makes all the music in my library sound brand-new!!!!

 


I believe BBE is a variety of sound enhancements that is offered by most (all?) Cowon devices, which is similar to the SRS effect.

 

post #1960 of 3844
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Originally Posted by DarkAndroid View Post

so what is BBE? and which software are you using to play your music on your PC? Foobar? iTunes? Windows Media Player?

 

I  use foobar with the latest "vst adapter" or "foo_vst" , and the vst from BBE,   sonicsweet.  I  think these are better tools  for mastering , than general enhancer, but very small amount of effect can be nice. I  use other vst too, I  like a slight reverb ...
This can work with the winamp bridge too, but the vst support by foobar is better, especially with their relatively new "vst adapter".

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 You say the srs effect gets boring after a while, but honestly, I dont see how I'm going to get bored with this in the next few years to come.

Well, it was more true with dfx audio , that even have a loudness compression slider. I  believe that srs is applying some loudness compression too.

The difficulty with all these effects, is that they can enhance the listening experience, and harm it too ,  but in a way that is not always obvious.
An example: exaggering the BBE H82  effect, can give the sensation of a clearer sound, but can at the same time litterally supress / hide melodical lines from the music.

 

@miceblue

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I believe BBE is a variety of sound enhancements that is offered by most (all?) Cowon devices, which is similar to the SRS effect.

Yeah, but I'm using a software version, which is different to their hardware implementation . The one I  use is intended for mastering (vst) ,  but you can also find some BBE  in the jetaudio player.

post #1961 of 3844

Whats a better eq. Equ or Equalizer?

post #1962 of 3844
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Whats a better eq. Equ or Equalizer?


I think most people prefer EQu over Equalizer, but either of them should be fine. I haven't used Equalizer before.

 

post #1963 of 3844

I've used both - IMO Equalizer is the better app of the two.  They're both very cheap - my advice would be to try both - and pick the one you like the best.

post #1964 of 3844

I got equ and couldn't be happier.

post #1965 of 3844
Just curious, has anyone tried the mod yet? Please report your impressions.
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