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There's studio monitors like the Sony MDR-V6 and Fostex... and then there's studio monitors like the SRH-940.

 

I think someone editing the sound effects in movies would prefer the 940, for example.

 

Just theory btw... never been to a studio.

 

 

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So... have you recorded anything, and tried mixing a couple of tracks with each of the headphones

you have just mentioned? And after finishing, have you played the same tracks over monitors and see which track actually sounds

better recorded/mixed?

 

Thanks!

 

 

Not yet, but I will build a studio next week and compare them some more. Have you?

I only mentioned this because the SRH-940 didn't sound like what I'd expect of a studio monitor, but what do I know..anything is labeled as a studio monitor these days. I always thought that a studio monitor should be close to neutral as possible. It seems that very few are and I wonder why? Not even the V6, 7506, M50 or K240 Studio are...


 

 


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/19/11 at 9:28pm
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I think for a musical "fun" headphone I'd take the HD-598 over the SRH-940. Maybe even the HD-600. Mids on the SRH-940 are a tad more clear though. HD-598 is just so smooth sounding, yet has forward mids, but makes female vocals sounds so good.

 

HD-598 just doesn't quite have the detail of the SRH-940 I think.

 

I own both the HD 598 and SRH 940 and I'm still kind of new to the audiophile scene so I cant really put it precisely in technical terms, but I think the main difference is that the HD-598 definitely has more bass impact than the SRH 940, which is kind of funny because many people consider the HD 598 as they are to be "bass-shy" headphones. If the HD 598s are bass shy then I wonder how the "bass-heavy" headphones that the bassheads are fond of sound like. I could imagine it would be as if the headphones were slapping the sides of your head with bass. Perhaps a headphone like that will be the next addition to my budding headphone collection. :-) Also, I think the SRH 940 is a little more better at retrieving detail than the HD 598, which is to be expected I guess, as the SRH 940 are marketed as "critical listening monitoring headphones". I always had the impression that open-backed headphones had better sound quality than closed-back ones, and I'm not sure which one on the whole sounds better between the HD 598 and SRH 940, but suffice to say, ever since my SRH 940 were delivered to my house, my HD 598 has been neglected. :-)

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I own both the HD 598 and SRH 940 and I'm still kind of new to the audiophile scene so I cant really put it precisely in technical terms, but I think the main difference is that the HD-598 definitely has more bass impact than the SRH 940, which is kind of funny because many people consider the HD 598 as they are to be "bass-shy" headphones. If the HD 598s are bass shy then I wonder how the "bass-heavy" headphones that the bassheads are fond of sound like. I could imagine it would be as if the headphones were slapping the sides of your head with bass. Perhaps a headphone like that will be the next addition to my budding headphone collection. :-) Also, I think the SRH 940 is a little more better at retrieving detail than the HD 598, which is to be expected I guess, as the SRH 940 are marketed as "critical listening monitoring headphones". I always had the impression that open-backed headphones had better sound quality than closed-back ones, and I'm not sure which one on the whole sounds better between the HD 598 and SRH 940, but suffice to say, ever since my SRH 940 were delivered to my house, my HD 598 has been neglected. :-)


 

Speaking of bassy headphones...I randomly did a frequency chart comparison on Headphone.com between the SRH940's and the Ultrasone HFI-580 (one of my previously wanted headphones). The result?

 

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3101&graphID[]=1973

 

I was kind of surprised at how 'not-bass heavy' the chart was, as I was expecting something like this:

 

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3101&graphID[]=1153

 

I know, I know, frequency graphs aren't the whole story. But still, I found that kind of odd. Usually people here recommend the HFI-580's as the Beats by Dre killer headphone.

 

I used to be a basshead (owning the V-Moda Vibes and Sennheiser CX-300's), but I've becoming more aware of other sounds in my music and appreciating them. I guess I can say that basshead-like headphones can sound like large subwoofers in a car; either a looooow car-rattling rumble, or the 'boom boom' sound of clubbing bass.

 

Still on the topic of bass, I tried listening to a Lady Gaga song, Dance in the Dark. Yeah, no. Low bass rumble is there with the 940's but the mid-bass thump is missing, not to mention the emphasized highs...sounds weird to me. I guess the 940's can really reveal how poorly mastered modern pop music can be.

 

As an aside, what kind of headphone is ideal for mixing vs mastering? Also, what does a "studio monitor" headphone mean?

 


Edited by miceblue - 9/19/11 at 10:34pm
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i love the detail on these!:)

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graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3101&graphID[]=1973

 

I was kind of surprised at how 'not-bass heavy' the chart was, as I was expecting something like this:

 

[...]

 

 

As an aside, what kind of headphone is ideal for mixing vs mastering? Also, what does a "studio monitor" headphone mean?

 


What a great graph lol, so I'm pretty sure now we can

 

a) invalidate headphone.com

b) invalidate all FR graphs

c) invalidate the HFI-580 as being very bass heavy.

d) invalidate the SRH-940 as being bass light.

 

 

Don't take "studio monitor" too seriously, but like I said, common headphones you'll see in studios (from what I've read) are Sony and Fostex studio models.

 

 

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Ok, just got done with hours and hours of listening comparisons. From about 6pm until 1:30am. Obsessive much?

I might post my stupid 9 pages of notes, but I mainly did it for myself to get an idea of what headphone I liked the most.

 

Here's the final score:

 

KRK KNS-6400: 4 points

Koss Pro DJ 100 (m50 pads): 9 points

Shure SRH-940: 3

 

This is with tons of music in every genre. I gave them a point for every song they came in as first. I didn't check the points until I was done with all my notes.

Does this mean anything for you? No, it just means this is what my ears felt sounded best.

 

Yes, I like the SRH-940, but I think it's safe to say I prefer the SRH-840.

I'll be listening to the SRH-940 tomorrow too, but not over-analyzing them.

I can definitely see how everyone loves the SRH-940. They're certainly more fun to listen to than the KNS-6400. I still prefer the KRKs though.

 

 

Out of boredom here's a general idea of what I thought:

 

Sound clarity: DJ100 | KRK KNS-6400 > SRH-940

Detail: KNS-6400 > SRH-940 > DJ100

Forwardness of mids: SRH-940 > DJ100 > KNS-6400

Bass quantity: DJ100 > SRH-940 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KNS-6400

Treble quantity: SRH-940 > KNS-6400 > DJ100

Soundstage: KNS-6400 > DJ100 (m50 pads though), SRH-940

Musicality: DJ100 > SRH-940 > KNS-6400

Female Vocals: DJ100 > SRH-940 > KNS-6400

Listening fatigue (less to more): DJ100 > KNS-6400 > SRH-940


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/19/11 at 11:00pm
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Ok, just got done with hours and hours of listening comparisons. From about 6pm until 1:30am. Obsessive much?

I might post my stupid 9 pages of notes, but I mainly did it for myself to get an idea of what headphone I liked the most.

 

Here's the final score:

 

KRK KNS-6400: 4 points

Koss Pro DJ 100 (m50 pads): 9 points

Shure SRH-940: 3

 

This is with tons of music in every genre. I gave them a point for every song they came in as first. I didn't check the points until I was done with all my notes.

Does this mean anything for you? No, it just means this is what my ears felt sounded best.

 

Yes, I like the SRH-940, but I think it's safe to say I prefer the SRH-840.

I'll be listening to the SRH-940 tomorrow too, but not over-analyzing them.

I can definitely see how everyone loves the SRH-940. They're certainly more fun to listen to than the KNS-6400. I still prefer the KRKs though.

 


Woah, the DJ100's destroyed the other cans for your listening preferences, interesting. Do you mind listing the tracks you listened to?

 

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Woah, the DJ100's destroyed the other cans for your listening preferences, interesting. Do you mind listing the tracks you listened to?

 


Yeah I was surprised about that. I don't know if it's all that fair of a comparison, but again..it was just for me and not a review to see what was best for anyone other than myself.

I'll post the notes tomorrow maybe. Too many tracks to list right now and I'm half asleep. Many of the tracks I forgot to rank the headphones on, so I skipped those.

 

My DJ100 I like so much the K501 has sat not used for like 2 weeks now. soooo sad biggrin.gif

I want to find a closed headphone to top it when it comes to my preferences.

 

It's funny to think that the SRH-940, KRK and DJ100 were giving the M50 a beatdown pretty much. I stopped comparing it after a few hours. It's a good headphone though.

I guess the SRH-940 doesn't match my preferences are much as I thought, but it's still very good. It's mids kind of bothered me during a lot of music.

 

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tdockweiler are the KRK KNS-6400 really that good, or are you just going to waste my time in hunting them down now? tongue_smile.gif

 

 

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Comparing these now with my DJ100, M50, KRK KNS-6400 (A/B). They definitely don't sound cold and analytical. Definitely NOT thin sounding at all ever. In fact, to me they're kind of warm. Don't ask me why, but the mids (just how they sound, not the forwardness) kind of remind me of a more clear HD-600 with the treble of the K702. Huh?! Most instruments seem to carry a bit more weight than compared to how they are on my KRK. Vocals have a lot more texture. I don't know if I like this. Something must be wrong with me. Am I abnormal to prefer a thinner sounding headphone?!

 

They do remind me of the SRH-840 though. The treble is a bit bothersome and ruins many songs. It's not the recordings fault. Try listening to the Yoshida Brothers to see what I mean.

 

The biggest shocker is the that sound clarity is just GOOD. Just a step above the HD-600. You could call it somewhat of a detail monster or close to it, but it feels as if the mids are shoving all that detail into my face. Soundstage is just average so far. I've actually found a few things my KRK and DJ100 can pick up, but the SRH-940 can't.

 

These don't sound smooth or balanced to me yet. They do sound good, but not $300 Good. Some female vocals sounds great on them and others..not so much. Sometimes female vocals actually sounded very, very slightly muffled.

 

Not sure if I like them yet or not. They seem to be quite fatiguing. Even the mids are kind of fatiguing.

 

Honestly I couldn't see anyone using these as a studio monitor..signature seems even a bit more aggressive than my DJ100!

 

One very strange thing is that songs that were bad on my HD-650 were also bad on the SRH-940! Not sure why, but it's a bit weird.

 

 

Remember..these are just early impressions.

 

Right now I think I may prefer female vocals (a big reason I'm trying the SRH-940) on the HD-598 and DJ100. Vocals on the SRH-940 sound closer to the HD-598 than the DJ100 though. On the DJ100 they're clearer than the SRH-940 and HD-598.

 

Probably will be comparing these all night.

 

 

 


I'm on the team which likes the SRH940 for what it is...

 

However, I have always thought it wouldn't be a good studio monitor, especially when comparing it to the CharterOak SP-1 (MB Quart QP450PRO equivalent) which is much, much more revealing and analytical AND has speedier drivers.

 

I find the imaging to be not so bad for a closed headphone but the overall detail... still behind the SP-1.  I'm not saying these 940s don't have a large amount of detail, I'm just saying relative to the SP-1 it is less impressive.  The space that the "detail" is presented in is a little strange to me in the 940... I guess in a way this is a minor bash on the imaging?

 

I really hear this weird positioning on particular tracks.  One example being on a very acoustic guitar based dark that has a tad dark edge to it 'Touch Peel and Stand' by 'Days of the New' if anyone cares to take a listen and can access the file in quality form.  Check both the intro (symbol taps matched with the forward vocal and low string notes) and the guitar picking noted after 2:40.  The positioning of these instruments just sounds more realistic on the SP-1, and subtle timbre changes are more easily detected on the SP-1.  This is especially noticeable at the end of the track when the acoustic guitar becomes front and center again to mesh with the low string notes and finished off with very distinct symbol pops - these ending pops just sounded a little off/muted in the 940 and much more realistic in the SP-1.  Less hiss in the SP-1 and more pop.  This could be just because I am just so distracted by the "space" the 940 attempts to generate with this strange imaging.  It is a tad funky.  If anything at this point in time the best way to describe it would be as "the headphone is trying to generate a false sense of space". Getting pretty picky here :p

 

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Hey you're from Hillboro, I once read that Hillsboro and Beaverton(?) both had an arcade game for a couple weeks that made kids go insane and it was never seen again.

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Hey you're from Hillboro, I once read that Hillsboro and Beaverton(?) both had an arcade game for a couple weeks that made kids go insane and it was never seen again.



HA!  While this is FAR from surprising with the booming businesses around here (Intel and Nike to name a few) I haven't heard of such an arcade.  Granted, I only moved here 4 years ago...

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I just compared another track with some semi-crazy left right imaging built into the track to see how the 940 handled it.

 

 

The effect was a bit extreme, but kind of fun! (Track: Leaving on a Jet Plane - Chantal Kreviazuk)  Again, the SP-1 sounded much more realistic and this was even going into the comparison with the initial hypothesis (bias?) that the 940 should have the edge with how well it treats female vocals.  The 940 put me further away from her voice and played with the background a little too much for me.  The SP-1 set the vocals up front where they should be.

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