Sony MDR-R10 Vs Audeze LCD-2

I don't know if anyone can conclusively say by looking at the graphs that one headphone is better.

We know that stuff may sound good but measure poorly, but what measures poorly rarely sounds good. Looking at the graphs for the R10 and the LCD-2, I wouldn't say that either one measures poorly.  

I haven't had the chance to hear either. But I hope to some day. The LCD-2 is more within my reach... 

BTW, knowing that there are two versions of the R10, do we know which one was measured in the document?

Jack

What on earth is going on with the Qualia??

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As someone who currently owns both, I slightly prefer the R10 to the LCD-2, and would say, as good as I think the LCD-2 is, that the R10 is a little better sounding in pretty much every way. But honestly, if you don't take into account the fact that the R10 is closed, then one would certainly have to say that The LCD-2 is the far better value.

However, the R10 is in fact a closed can, and given that it beats all of the open headphones I have heard and is closed (something of great value to me personally), I value it highly, and think it's a real shame it's not still in production.

I have always wondered about that. A closed can and still vast in sound. I agree, imagine if they were in production. The pinnacle available. 

While it isn't in line with this thread, how would you compare the HE-6 to the R10? 
 

I've compared the R10 to the LCD2 in the LCD2 thread.  In short, the R10 is my favorite non-electrostat.  I also like the Qualia more than the LCD2.

I once heard the R10 (for 4 hours and maybe more in the future) and I own LCD2 and HE6.

To me I like the R10 more than the both I feel the R10 is like combining best of both world (Stax and Dynamic).

Ok, then why doesn't Sony fill this niche market again? They have shown they can do it. They have the proven technology. Someone needs to knock on their door and pluck at their ego. :^)

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Ok, then why doesn't Sony fill this niche market again? They have shown they can do it. They have the proven technology. Someone needs to knock on their door and pluck at their ego. :^)

Honestly, I wonder that everyday myself.  R10 was certainly born way too early.  Currently, it is the height of headphones listening,.  We have to ask Sony marketing team, I believe.  They should have kept both the R10 and Qualia in production.

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Originally Posted by jamato8 

Ok, then why doesn't Sony fill this niche market again? They have shown they can do it. They have the proven technology. Someone needs to knock on their door and pluck at their ego. :^)

Honestly, I wonder that everyday myself.  R10 was certainly born way too early.  Currently, it is the height of headphones listening,.  We have to ask Sony marketing team, I believe.  They should have kept both the R10 and Qualia in production.

Can you imagine that? It also might have spurred others to do better. Where might sound be if they were around in number. It isn't like Sony can't afford to make some. Retool Sony, get with it, and give us the same price. What was the price? I remember seeing the ads for the R10 and thinking they looked nice but I wasn't into phones and at the time most likely wouldn't have bought them anyway but now well . . 

Yes, they came out too soon for this market. 
 

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  No disrespect intend here.  I actually forgot to place  at the end of that sentence.  However, to states that a headphone is a POS without have ever tried them are taking things out of context.  Graph is usually pretty good about measuring most things, but not every single thing.  The Qualia when properly fit is neck to neck with the R10 if not slightly better sounding in some type of music.  To my ears and in my system, they are second only to the R10 in dynamic headphones world.

The SA5000s measure pretty awful too, but they don't really sound it.  Never heard the Qualias though.  A lot of people seem to take this to mean that measuring is useless, but its really an opportunity to refine the measurement process and make it more accurate.  What are we missing?  Do we need to measure something else?  Do we need to change our standards for interpreting the data?

That's what I find interesting.  Now if I only had the money to buy those headphones and the equipment I'd need to measure them...

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Ok, then why doesn't Sony fill this niche market again? They have shown they can do it. They have the proven technology. Someone needs to knock on their door and pluck at their ego. :^)

Honestly, I wonder that everyday myself.  R10 was certainly born way too early.  Currently, it is the height of headphones listening,.  We have to ask Sony marketing team, I believe.  They should have kept both the R10 and Qualia in production.

Can you imagine that? It also might have spurred others to do better. Where might sound be if they were around in number. It isn't like Sony can't afford to make some. Retool Sony, get with it, and give us the same price. What was the price? I remember seeing the ads for the R10 and thinking they looked nice but I wasn't into phones and at the time most likely wouldn't have bought them anyway but now well . . 

 

Yes, they came out too soon for this market. 
 

If you look at the Qualia and the HD800 side by side, you will see that Senn's engineers really took housing design from the Qualia and almost mirrored it.  Still, nothing beat magnesium frame for vibration control.

I was guessing that the sound engineers that have invented R10 and Qualia had already quitted Sony and there is not much documents left to explain how to put them back into production.

It's kink of like software engineering. If someone quits a team, and no knowledge passage is done, you just don't know how it works, even if you're in the same team.

I don't know whether I was clear on that.