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I love and share your attitude when it comes to having SQ on the go, especially to and from work every day. It's a beautiful thing indeed to be able to listen to and enjoy your tunes with some quality cans after a hard day's work.

 

The ES7s (I think those are the cans you're talking about - shiny cups right?) are a very fun can and the imaging is very good on that can. Soundstage was also not bad. It's been a long time since I have had those but I remember they were a blast. In the end, they were slightly too colored for me and the isolation was not up to par for my daily commute. Otherwise a great can for that price.

 

The HDs will always have a soft spot in my heart. The headphone is not perfect but the sig becomes addicting and the timbre is not bad despite the slight edginess up top. It has an exciting, addicting sig and works well with many genres. Just a good, fun all-rounder IMO. Great complement to the DTs for sure IMO.

 

Yep, the shiny ones...so those aern't in the same class as something like the HDs, right?

 

Obobskivich has been sharing some info about the Koss phones with me over the last month or two...this store called "Tuesday Morning" (national chain) had the Koss TBSEs (the Tony Bennett ones) on sale for $49 (reg $149) so I picked up a pair today. Supposedly these are pretty darn good portables, especially at the sale price. For five bills I'll give them a shot. I obviously wont' expect them to compete with the 1350s, but they might be a nice addition to the portable collection for when Im going somehere that I dont want to take a nicer headphone. Hopefully in December I'll pick up some HDs to audition from Amazon, too. If you think the shiny 7s are a solid pick-up for $99, maybe I'll give those a listen.

 

Thanks for the feedback!

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The ES7s are not as neutral as the HDs and are more of a bass head can with nice mids and highs. It's been too long since I've heard them so I am not sure i would or would not put them in the same league as the HDs but I was very impressed with them at the time.

As for the TBSEs report back on your impressions. To my knowledge they are the same as the DJ100s, which I was personally not fond of. Too forward and grainy to me but some people really loved them. Another can for you to check out is the Denon HP700. They've gotten some great reviews and I'm eager to try those out too. And only $100. Only thing is they're a bit bulky and the isolation is not so great. Otherwise I've heard many good things about them.
Edited by roma101 - 11/28/12 at 3:49pm
post #2928 of 3806
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Agreed ^^

 

I have both and HDs have nice punch/impact - I wouldn't go as far to say the bass is bloated however. While everything is more refined, controlled, deeper and more neutral on the DTs. It's nice to have both, depending on what kind of presentation you're in the mood for. At least that's my experience.

Well my the bass sounds bloated because the sound stage is so FREAKING small... trust me a BIG mid bass hump reccessed mids and a SMALL sound stage >.> for some that's DEATH... I did like the punch but again to bloated and to small for my tastes :3

 

BUt deep and Authrotative :D sounds nice !

post #2929 of 3806
Well when you factor in the soundstage or lack thereof sure the overall signature may sound a bit intense. However when you're in a loud environment (trains, buses, etc.) the overall signature is great and useful. Still I just wouldn't say the bass is bloated in any environment. I think that's too strong of a word. Aggressive and punchy yes but bloated just makes it sound like its a beats hp which it certainly isn't. Perhaps you just prefer a more neutral sound overall. I think you would enjoy the DT1350s.
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Spent some time with the Koss Tonys tonight. I'm pretty tired, so wasn't really on my A-game in terms of listening critically, but I'd say these are good, solid headphones that do many things well, but there's nothing special about them. Of course, that's sort of what I figured, so in that sense I'm pleased. The sound is quite full, though, which I like. They have a fair amount of low end, and they avoid becoming boomy, which, as I mentioned probably like a dozen times already, I can't stand.  I definitely wouldn't want to pay $149 for these, or even $99. For $99 my Grado SR80s really give me something that I DO find special. But for $49? These are a very solid offering for that money without question. This will be a nice portable (the case is awesome!) to have around in case I want to take them out in public and don't want anything to happen to my 1350s, or if I have someone else over who also wants a pair of headphones to use. They are supposed to come with a free download code for Tony Bennett's "Duets II" album, but didn't see anything inside...hopefully Koss will hook me up. No biggie either way, but I enjoy adding to my music collection and Tony is one of my favorites. 

 

So anyway, solid value for $49...if you're looking for a budget portable that comes with a very nice, durable case for travel use, these are a nice choice. But they haven't deterred me at all from wanting another portable to back up my 1350s, so the Senn HD25s and Amperiors are still on my radar. 

post #2931 of 3806
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So anyway, solid value for $49...if you're looking for a budget portable that comes with a very nice, durable case for travel use, these are a nice choice. But they haven't deterred me at all from wanting another portable to back up my 1350s, so the Senn HD25s and Amperiors are still on my radar. 

How Ironic... the Dt 1350 is going to be my portable Dt 880...

 

tried the Koss Pro Dj 100... with some Dub Step off my Zune... didn't like em they had tiny sound, as well as a little sibilant not to mention the bass... wasn't anything special... I also tried the Koss Pro Dj 200 immeditaley after and they did sound significantly better... the Koss Pro Dj 200 would be a portable Dt 1350... lol

 

still I use to recommend the Pro 100... not sure If i want to but it was only one song... so that's not enough to tell ppl to stay away! As the Xb700s [they where my benchmark... sadly] are well PRETTY FORGIVING of bad recodrings

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How Ironic... the Dt 1350 is going to be my portable Dt 880...

 

tried the Koss Pro Dj 100... with some Dub Step off my Zune... didn't like em they had tiny sound, as well as a little sibilant not to mention the bass... wasn't anything special... I also tried the Koss Pro Dj 200 immeditaley after and they did sound significantly better... the Koss Pro Dj 200 would be a portable Dt 1350... lol

 

still I use to recommend the Pro 100... not sure If i want to but it was only one song... so that's not enough to tell ppl to stay away! As the Xb700s [they where my benchmark... sadly] are well PRETTY FORGIVING of bad recodrings

 

I spent more time with them today, and I found a use for them that I didn't really expect. This will NOT sound impressive, I realize that, but for whatever reason these Tonys are GREAT for talk radio lol. They can't compete with the 1350s in any way, shape, or form....but I truly enjoyed using them for talk radio today. I listened to some Neil Boortz, then flipped over to ESPN Radio, and then once my Bills talk show came on at 7p I was really loving it. I like to find particular uses for each of my headphones, and I think I've found it! haha.  I really do think these are a great buy at $49. Additionally, Koss has excellent customer service. The code for the free download of the Tony Bennett album that came with the headphones was nowhere to be found. I emailed them last night and they hooked me up no problems. I was impressed. Again, the 1350s just walk all OVER them in every way....but c'mon, at this price they'are a nice choice for someone looking for a budget portable. 

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I spent more time with them today, and I found a use for them that I didn't really expect. This will NOT sound impressive, I realize that, but for whatever reason these Tonys are GREAT for talk radio lol. They can't compete with the 1350s in any way, shape, or form....but I truly enjoyed using them for talk radio today. I listened to some Neil Boortz, then flipped over to ESPN Radio, and then once my Bills talk show came on at 7p I was really loving it. I like to find particular uses for each of my headphones, and I think I've found it! haha.  I really do think these are a great buy at $49. Additionally, Koss has excellent customer service. The code for the free download of the Tony Bennett album that came with the headphones was nowhere to be found. I emailed them last night and they hooked me up no problems. I was impressed. Again, the 1350s just walk all OVER them in every way....but c'mon, at this price they'are a nice choice for someone looking for a budget portable. 

... Ok dude... that really is awesome! FOr two reasons

 

#1 YOU LISTEN to talk Radio! Congrats man you got class ^^

#2 I love having different head phones for different things! And if you like them for Talk Radio... the Dt 1350 might NOT do a better job, since a voice and well music are kinda different. The koss might have some nice Coloration that the Dt 1350 [HAD BETTER NOT HAVE <3] because Byer Cans are pretty transparent and clean sounding.

 

SO there is nothing wrong with liking them for Talk radio. In fact I have a feeling that Can was built around the idea of adding a nice lush quality to voices Since apprently Tony Bennett is a Singer [Don't hurt me, but ever since I got into Bebop and Older Classic Jazz... I've been liking Big Band less n less... Poor Sinatra... he got removed from my FooBar Jazz tab xD] 

 

Also I saw that you sold your Dt 880s and for that I was about to kill you... but then I saw you had the T1 so it's ok <3

 

I think I'll b k eeping my Dt 880 250 ohms indefinatly. As they are a nice portable can for my Hifiman Players n cMoy! But is that the T1 in your avatar


Edited by Mshenay - 11/30/12 at 6:30am
post #2934 of 3806
Glad you're enjoying the TBSEs and found a special use for them! I can see how they'd be good for talk radio. I'm curious to try them again.
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maybe you guys can help me out. i got my dt1350 from a fellow headfier and i am very disappointed. i know, that they are picky about right fit and seal, but i guess i have got it right, as bass, was big and deep. but, to me the soundstage does not work. everything sounds so congested and instruments sound small. they sound quite natural, but they do not wow me. i listen mostly to soundtracks and ambient, but the dt1350 is not able to throw any form of layering in space. imaging and instrument separation also is not what i expected. my srh940 have more of a wow factor to me, but they are not portable. so do you know any alternatives? maybe T70?

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maybe you guys can help me out. i got my dt1350 from a fellow headfier and i am very disappointed. i know, that they are picky about right fit and seal, but i guess i have got it right, as bass, was big and deep. but, to me the soundstage does not work. everything sounds so congested and instruments sound small. they sound quite natural, but they do not wow me. i listen mostly to soundtracks and ambient, but the dt1350 is not able to throw any form of layering in space. imaging and instrument separation also is not what i expected. my srh940 have more of a wow factor to me, but they are not portable. so do you know any alternatives? maybe T70?

Whoa, that's sounds not good... sounds like your talking about the Senn HD-25-1 II e.e, SMALL sound stage >.>

 

I guess I'll still have to hear for my self though :D

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

... Ok dude... that really is awesome! FOr two reasons

 

#1 YOU LISTEN to talk Radio! Congrats man you got class ^^

#2 I love having different head phones for different things! And if you like them for Talk Radio... the Dt 1350 might NOT do a better job, since a voice and well music are kinda different. The koss might have some nice Coloration that the Dt 1350 [HAD BETTER NOT HAVE <3] because Byer Cans are pretty transparent and clean sounding.

 

SO there is nothing wrong with liking them for Talk radio. In fact I have a feeling that Can was built around the idea of adding a nice lush quality to voices Since apprently Tony Bennett is a Singer [Don't hurt me, but ever since I got into Bebop and Older Classic Jazz... I've been liking Big Band less n less... Poor Sinatra... he got removed from my FooBar Jazz tab xD] 

 

Also I saw that you sold your Dt 880s and for that I was about to kill you... but then I saw you had the T1 so it's ok <3

 

I think I'll b k eeping my Dt 880 250 ohms indefinatly. As they are a nice portable can for my Hifiman Players n cMoy! But is that the T1 in your avatar

 

lol, nice! Yeah, I'm a big believer in keeping your mind active, so I listen to lots of talk radio. I listen to a lot of sports talk, CNN, Fox, Boortz, Adam Carolla, Nick and Artie, etc, etc. I love talk radio. You make a good point about the coloration....whatever it is, they are just fantastic for the speaking voice. They also have this odd quality where they sort of get more comfortable the longer you wear them. I have some headphone that are great from the first minute and remain great (T1s), some that are comfortable for short periods but can't wear them long term (1350s), but this is the first one that is just "okay" at first, and then gets more comfy. Very odd!

 

I liked the 880s, but I needed a better amp after auditioning the Fiio E9, and that's right about the time when I discovered the brilliance of Jan Meier. When I saw he had a ridiculous package deal I jumped on the chance to upgrade immediately. I have loved the T1/Corda Jazz combo ever since and will never part with either. 

 

And yep! That's my T1s on a Larry Dale (headphile.com) original stand...I wanted to spend a little more than was prudent on a stand since I keep my primary headphone gear in my living room...I wanted something classy to keep the T1s company when they weren't on my head. 

 

 

Roma: I saw the DJ100s you mentioned...they look identical except for the added apple inline control thing. I really feel these are unremarkable for music, but yeah, the talk radio thing is really weird...in a good way. I listened to some Dan Patrick today just to confirm it again, and by God they just shine in this role. Truly unexpected!


Edited by Focker - 11/30/12 at 5:06pm
post #2938 of 3806

My 1350 has differences in the way the headband connects to the ear cups. The right one is rigid and doesn't move or flex at all but the left one is movable. If I squeeze each side of the metal part that goes into each side of the ear cup, one side moves in or out and actually popped out once. It didn't look like there was anything attaching that piece to the ear cup, it was a small metal tab. Anyone else here experience that?

post #2939 of 3806
haven't heard of that. pics?
post #2940 of 3806
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Originally Posted by sofastreamer View Post

maybe you guys can help me out. i got my dt1350 from a fellow headfier and i am very disappointed. i know, that they are picky about right fit and seal, but i guess i have got it right, as bass, was big and deep. but, to me the soundstage does not work. everything sounds so congested and instruments sound small. they sound quite natural, but they do not wow me. i listen mostly to soundtracks and ambient, but the dt1350 is not able to throw any form of layering in space. imaging and instrument separation also is not what i expected. my srh940 have more of a wow factor to me, but they are not portable. so do you know any alternatives? maybe T70?

Hi SS.

I am sorry you are not having good luck with the 1350's. as regards positioning on your head, they are quite easy to get right, adjusting for height and front to back alignment. I have only had mine for a week and I spent 15mins when I first got them playing around with alignment, getting it just right, and they just seem to fall into place now. I am delighted with them.

Your description does sound a little like alignment issues to me, in my limited experience. Spend some time just to make sure you are okay here.

Next culprit could be source quality? I mostly listen to ALACs from my iPod which sound fabulous (no amp needed for me). I also listen to the better stream from Radio Paradise quite a bit. That too sounds great. If you listen to Internet radio with low quality streams they oo sound pretty dire though.

Next, it could be your source. What are you using?

Finally, it could be that the 1350's are not for you, but, your description of their sound does not sound like my pair.

I hope some of my rambling helps?

Cheers, Julian
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