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post #2611 of 3256
9/22/12 at 4:54am

Freakfingers: Yeah, you go through that point. These do very much reveal the awfulness of bad recordings which includes MANY distorted guitar recordings that are compressed to hell. They may not be perfect but I love guitars on them from artists like Alice in Chains Unplugged or Smashing Pumpkins stuff up to Adore even though that one isn't quite guitar heavy. If the recording is bad or heavily compressed though they tend to sound shrill and need EQ in the upper region.

 

For live stuff like soundboard recordings and acoustic or amped guitar they are just fabulous imho.

 

Also, it's okay, Focker, we all beat our dogs now and then! HAHAHAHAA JK. Maybe. How bad did he chew those things? I prefer cats.
 


Edited by OrbitingCow - 9/22/12 at 4:57am
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post #2612 of 3256
9/22/12 at 7:19am

I wonder is it the DT1350 sounding tubey or is it just reflecting the guitar amp's characteristic, as you said most of the guitarists you listen to uses tube amps...

 

I am not that hugely into guitar sounds, so it would be amazing if you can hear what kind of guitar amp the player used!!

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post #2613 of 3256
9/22/12 at 7:35am
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Also, it's okay, Focker, we all beat our dogs now and then! HAHAHAHAA JK. Maybe. How bad did he chew those things? I prefer cats.
 

 

Oh, he chewed clean through one side of the cable lol. It looks like I took scissors and just clipped the left lead while the right one is still attached lol. Thankfully the headphones themselves are still intact, so I just need to get around to sending them in for a cable replacement. I just can't belive he did that while they were on my HEAD lol.

 

BTW, I'll chime in with my thoughs on comfort. I don't like anything clamping on my head for a long periof of time, so even though i find these very comfortable, and I love that the material seems to breathe and allow my ears to stay cool, I would guess that about 1.5-2hrs is my limit. If I have a marathon music session I'll go with the T1s for comfort.

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post #2614 of 3256
9/22/12 at 8:16am
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I wonder is it the DT1350 sounding tubey or is it just reflecting the guitar amp's characteristic, as you said most of the guitarists you listen to uses tube amps...

 

I am not that hugely into guitar sounds, so it would be amazing if you can hear what kind of guitar amp the player used!!

 

It has a tube like sound overall. Its a warm sounding headphone which is partly what makes it addicting.

 

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I was able to wear mine for an hour before my ears started hurting.


Edited by robm321 - 9/22/12 at 8:18am
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post #2615 of 3256
9/22/12 at 8:24am

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Originally Posted by OrbitingCow View Post

Freakfingers: Yeah, you go through that point. These do very much reveal the awfulness of bad recordings which includes MANY distorted guitar recordings that are compressed to hell. They may not be perfect but I love guitars on them from artists like Alice in Chains Unplugged or Smashing Pumpkins stuff up to Adore even though that one isn't quite guitar heavy. If the recording is bad or heavily compressed though they tend to sound shrill and need EQ in the upper region.

 

For live stuff like soundboard recordings and acoustic or amped guitar they are just fabulous imho.

 

Also, it's okay, Focker, we all beat our dogs now and then! HAHAHAHAA JK. Maybe. How bad did he chew those things? I prefer cats.
 

Yup, I don't have Alice in Chains Unplugged album, but Eric Clapton Unplugged sounds awesome on these. I absolutely love the details on these things especially bass details and response. 

 

 

 

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I wonder is it the DT1350 sounding tubey or is it just reflecting the guitar amp's characteristic, as you said most of the guitarists you listen to uses tube amps...

 

I am not that hugely into guitar sounds, so it would be amazing if you can hear what kind of guitar amp the player used!!

 

Yup, at first I mentioned it sounded tube-like. Then I said it is true to the source. Actually what I meant is that, it sounded tube-like because the guitar amp used was tube amp. Most of Dream Theater albums, you can hear the different tones of the tube amps. Awesome details. And most of Pantera songs, you can hear the solid state amps.

 

About the comfort, I only had these for a week. I felt the comfort is above average. I can last 2-3 hours straight. The pads do break in. It feels more comfortable the longer you use it. But upon long usage like into 4 hours or so, the ears do hurt a lot. 

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post #2616 of 3256
9/22/12 at 9:08am

Hey,

 

I think Dream Theater sounds great on the DT1350's! Their best album, to me, is 'Black Clouds and Silver Linings'. That is the style from them that I like the most. Quite progressive but still intense yet delicate, if that makes sense. 

 

The Unplugged album from Alice in Chains is full of win in m book. It sounds so clean and lifelike. Really you should give it a listen.

 

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Originally Posted by freakfingers12 View Post

Yup, I don't have Alice in Chains Unplugged album, but Eric Clapton Unplugged sounds awesome on these. I absolutely love the details on these things especially bass details and response. 

 

Yup, at first I mentioned it sounded tube-like. Then I said it is true to the source. Actually what I meant is that, it sounded tube-like because the guitar amp used was tube amp. Most of Dream Theater albums, you can hear the different tones of the tube amps. Awesome details. And most of Pantera songs, you can hear the solid state amps.

 

About the comfort, I only had these for a week. I felt the comfort is above average. I can last 2-3 hours straight. The pads do break in. It feels more comfortable the longer you use it. But upon long usage like into 4 hours or so, the ears do hurt a lot. 

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post #2617 of 3256
9/22/12 at 9:12am

My idea would be to get that AiC album ASAP because it stands with Nirvana and Clapton as the best. I would rate AiC as THE best but that is just me. They killed that concert and as a bonus you can hear Layne **** up the verse for a song on the DVD and it's not only hilarious they do the song over which adds to the audience/performer ambiance incredibly. It is one of their most devastating performances.

 

Focker, what and the hell was going on while your dog was eating your stuff? That pup is a headphone NINJA!

 

Also anybody looking for THE BEST in high-fi can look to The Doors 40th anniversary DVDAs or King Crimson's 40th DVDAs for the best in utter fidelity.


Edited by OrbitingCow - 9/22/12 at 9:14am
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post #2618 of 3256
9/22/12 at 10:02am
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It has a tube like sound overall. Its a warm sounding headphone which is partly what makes it addicting.

 

I was able to wear mine for an hour before my ears started hurting.

 

I wouldn't call DT1350 sound warm. It's definitely far colder sounding than all Sennheisers known to me with exception of HD-25-II;

Colder than Phiaton MS, Philips, even Grado RS1 (obviously having more bass than these)... "Warmth" is determined by mid-bass boost. DT1350 has none of that, but it does have very well weighted bass with excellent decay.

Perhaps a bit too long decay in lower mids sounding slightly echoey.

 

It has an interesting "mixed" or non-coherent sound due to some peakiness beyond 500 Hz. Highest parts of the spectrum are somewhat grainy (resonant?) while central and upper mids are somewhat laid back and non-aggresive.

 

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Really people, do excercise that headband. After some stretching and pad break-in, I can wear them indefinitely - and I do wear glasses. Beforehand I couldn't stand more than an hour or two as well.


Edited by AstralStorm - 9/22/12 at 10:03am
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9/22/12 at 10:06am
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Focker, what and the hell was going on while your dog was eating your stuff? That pup is a headphone NINJA!

 

 

He sure is! Apparently I dozed off while he was napping on the bed with me, and I guess I didnt get up when HE thought I should get up, so that was his way of geting my attention. When I woke up I went to take the headphones off and something didn't feel right....that's when I noticed the cable on one side was completely gone lol.

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9/22/12 at 11:04am
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He sure is! Apparently I dozed off while he was napping on the bed with me, and I guess I didnt get up when HE thought I should get up, so that was his way of geting my attention. When I woke up I went to take the headphones off and something didn't feel right....that's when I noticed the cable on one side was completely gone lol.

Reminds me of the time my dog chewed up my guitar cables. Damn... so how are your T1's? 

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post #2621 of 3256
9/22/12 at 12:00pm

Could this be a good guide to knowing whether we get good seal or not?

http://www.sensaphonics.com/?page_id=833

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post #2622 of 3256
9/22/12 at 12:30pm
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Reminds me of the time my dog chewed up my guitar cables. Damn... so how are your T1's? 

 

They're intact, but I need to send them to Drew at Moon Audio to get the cable replaced still. Beyer was kind enough to consider this a warranty repair but it's like a 2 month wait to get them back....so I'll probably just have Drew do it. But the headphones themselves are in perfect condition thankfully lol.

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post #2623 of 3256
9/22/12 at 4:38pm
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I wouldn't call DT1350 sound warm. It's definitely far colder sounding than all Sennheisers known to me with exception of HD-25-II;
Colder than Phiaton MS, Philips, even Grado RS1 (obviously having more bass than these)... "Warmth" is determined by mid-bass boost. DT1350 has none of that, but it does have very well weighted bass with excellent decay.
Perhaps a bit too long decay in lower mids sounding slightly echoey.

It has an interesting "mixed" or non-coherent sound due to some peakiness beyond 500 Hz. Highest parts of the spectrum are somewhat grainy (resonant?) while central and upper mids are somewhat laid back and non-aggresive.

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Really people, do excercise that headband. After some stretching and pad break-in, I can wear them indefinitely - and I do wear glasses. Beforehand I couldn't stand more than an hour or two as well.

That's a good point. If I would have kept them, I could have dealt with the headband, and the pain would have been a non issue. Did they lose any sound isolation when you reduced the clamping?
Edited by robm321 - 9/22/12 at 4:39pm
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post #2624 of 3256
9/23/12 at 4:01am

No, the isolation and seal stayed about the same.

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9/23/12 at 11:18am
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http://www.headphone.com/headphone-amps/headroom-portable-micro-amp.php

They are trying to sell that thing for 550 bucks LMFAO with a DAC, oh man thank you, and I guarantee you they made it for around 50. I am NOT saying this is what they all do but that thing looks like a PoS.

I'd take a high-receiver any day of the week over that. What is this myth that amplifier manufacturers don't know how to make a headphone out lol. When did this start because it needs to end. You just need to pick your manufacturer right. At any rate you will be spending some money. But for instance I got my Denon 2112ci refurbed for 375 and there ain't a headphone amp in the universe that does as much as the Denon for that price. Not even close. Networking plus 192 DACs and ADCs as well as a premium amplifier design with 7.1 and multi room setup. A 650 retail but who pays that anyway. Headphone outs are not that difficult to engineer.

If I were you I would look very closely at your options.

On another note you should beware of receivers in some ways just like ANY audio component. You need to make sure they are using discrete amps and of course proper headphone outs but really anything in the last two years or so should be gold if it comes from the higher-end of mass production.

If you are doing this from home I would research your receiver a little more. There is absolutely no reason to get a portable headphone amp. I switch my sources constantly on my PC and the Denon does it all flawlessly. If I could afford a 1600 desktop amp well I'd probably get one lol though I doubt it would sound THAT much different. DACs are pretty much maxed out these days, but still crucial, and it all comes down to amplifier design and the total package. I am not shilling for Denon but I trust them as they have their own decent headphones on the market and it does seem they try to cater to that crowd.

My Denon AVR-4311CI has a great headphone jack and top end AKM DAC's. I also have the Fostex HP-P1 portable amp/DAC. It uses the AKM DAC's as well, but is a bit more portable than my receiver...biggrin.gif

The Denon in Pure Direct mode it's everything into the headphone output. Denon has been manufacturing high end cans for some time. I enjoy their output. Usually combined with a DVD-3910 via Denon Link playing an SACD or DVD Audio disc.

I have a Decware tube amp on order. I want to try tubes too.

It's all good!

Btw, I do try and keep my HP's away from my dogs, but the cat made off with the USB cap for my Dragonfly. Took a week to find it under the sofa!
Edited by longbowbbs - 9/23/12 at 12:02pm
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