New Beyer DT1350 - Page 170

"For 80 dB, it's about 12h..... mostly useless in headphone amps."

Yes, so your fear mongering in the other post was not true in the slightest about hearing loss.

Oh, you know, besides that state of the art Cary and many others it's useless right. I could say the same about Class D. It's useless for headphones amps we don't need huge efficiency we're not powering subs.

Personally, if you want to live by warning labels your entire life then do so. Hearing loss is something that is inevitable at some point. I am somebody who can't stand a concert for two hours straight and I take breaks for sure. Your ears are not going to die by listening to a song or two loud on your headphones. Music is made to be listened to loud. Musicians of course wear earplugs with day in and day out at exorbitant volumes. But no doubt they still listen to music loud. Musicians aren't sitting in their dens listening to 75dB headphone all day. They actually do play their instruments without headphones protection at times.

Classical Music can also get very loud at certain points and with certain instruments.

As for Class D. All I really see is marketing hype at this point. I'll stick to my AB designs. If I have some money no doubt I'll choose Class A or a Hybrid. I have no problem using Class D when I need a 1K watts though. It seems they still are making many improvements to this amp design.
Edited by OrbitingCow - 9/8/12 at 1:47pm

Who says music is made to listen to loud (besides yourself)? 

 

Also, hearing loss is cumulative. Every little bit you lose, piles on what you've already lost. As we age, we naturally lose hearing and there isn't anything we can do about that but when you go to concerts with no hearing protection and/or listen to headphones very loud, you're irreparably damaging your hearing. You may not notice it right away or even for years, but it's happening. Also, you stand a much greater chance of developing tinnitus and take it from someone who has it, you don't want it. Luckily mine doesn't bother me but some folks lose sleep or have other problems related to it. Mine is constant and seems to be getting worse but so far I can tolerate it.

Please. It's called balance. I have heard enough of the hearing loss team. On with the DT1350 stuff again.

Listening to headphones loud for 4 minutes does not equal two hour concert.

While they may not be exactly equal, there is still a concern because one-time exposure to very loud sound can cause acoustic trauma and will damage your ears.

 

 

As a point of reference I listen to my DT1350s at volume 8-10 out of my Fiio E7 with usb-in from my laptop.

They aren't equal in any measure whatsoever. Two hours is a ridiculous time to put that much strain on your ears. 4 minutes is not even close and your ears do repair from these types of sounds depending on how loud they are.

OSHA Daily Permissible Noise Level Exposure
Hours per day Sound level
8 90dB
6 92dB
4 95dB
3 97dB
2 100dB
1.5 102dB
1 105dB
.5 110dB
.25 or less 115dB

When I am older I will probably have some hearing loss and there will probably be implants to replace your entire ear hahaha.

I honestly do not attend many loud concerts. I do listen to loud music maybe once or twice a day at most and usually for one song. Loud is a variety of volumes. Rarely ever 120dB lol. It probably never is. It's mostly around the 100dB mark or something of that nature and it's usually for one or two songs. Scientists do not recommend more than 15 minutes at that level. At 110dB or whatever I think it is 4 minutes or so. And that is about all I can handle myself. Concerts are fun but you need to take breaks. I remember a Tool concert 10 years ago where it was just nuts. Never had that kind of ringing ever again.

Your body tells you when you need to stop. You don't need a book. If your ears are ringing it means that you are in the beginning stages. It doesn't mean your ears are damaged forever. You have to listen 4 minutes straight or so of pretty loud music at 110dB or so for there to be some kind of loss and this loss is not measured. You have no idea how it affects people person to person.

For reference my Denon can go much much higher than my headphones could be listened to at least with MPC player which I have at about a little past half.
Edited by OrbitingCow - 9/9/12 at 2:09am

Any chance this discussion could move elsewhere?  

 

I hear those 1350s are pretty awesome 

Yeah, let's leave that thread be.

 

Another argument for not playing too loud: while DT1350 have very high dynamic range, you're leaving only about 30 dB dynamic range for peaks if you're playing at actual 80 dB SPL average. (until DT1350 start to distort a lot - this number is very high compared to many other headphones) If it's 80 dB SPL max, then it's pretty much fine in this regards, other issues notwithstanding.

I just got a set of the 1350s and had them re-cabled (double-sided) with a Whiplash Hybrid cable.  My other cans include the AKG501s and the HE-500s and I must say these DTs fill a hole in my listening with the open headphones and CIEMs.  I've only had the DTs for a couple of days - listening to classical and jazz (via iPod Classic lossless) - but what I hear is some great bass, good instrument separation and a pretty good soundstage.  Regardless of what amp I use (ALO Continental; Pico Slim; Xin Supermacro IV and Supermini), I get really consistent good sound quality from the DTs.  They also isolate pretty well; more than I expected.  More soon.  (Good to be back on track with how the 1350s sound!)

I got to say I am really tired of the over compression these days. It just isn't right. Alice in Chains new one is crushed to hell and many other bands like REM and Pearl Jam have had some issues. I REALLY wish they would go back to how it was. Like DR9 at least FFS. All these recordings approaching DR5 make me sick. I mean I am all for some judicious compression but albums like Nevermind remaster went way overboard.

 

With great headphones like these and amplification they cannot even be played loud. The sound is just broken. Too much overloaded crap revealed. Have to literally turn it down to conversation level or it cannot be played.

 

Albums like Californication are just beyond comprehension. I have no idea about this loudness war but I really don't understand the people that think this sounds good and that it matters that it be louder. It doesn't. Nobody cares. They are just ruining a generation of music that is all. Luckily most good stuff escapes without harm.
 

Still, a lot of great bands have been affected and that always sucks.

Edited by OrbitingCow - 9/10/12 at 12:45am

Hooked my 1350s up to my new Asgard amp yesterday, and everything sounded just a bit smoother and controlled, which I found interesting.  The Asgard made my DT880s sound a bit livelier and energetic, but seemed to do the opposite on the 1350s.  This isn't a bad thing, mind you...the control was nice and I fully appreciated for the first time why people have described these as slightly on the warm side of neutral.  They sounded great...just different than I was used to.

 

I'll have to put some more time in with the combo to see if it was just a fluke due to the particular songs that came on (listening in shuffle mode). 

 

How do these sound straight out of a iPhone or iPad or do they need amped? 

 

Thanks

Hi skyline315,

 

I also own both the DT1350 and DT880.

 

On my Decware CSP2+ tube amp, the DT1350 seems to have a sonic veil lifted as compared with the DT880.

That kind of sonic clarity is the reason why I currently favour the DT1350 over the DT880.

 

Is that your experience too?

 

Hmmmm, I'm not sure I have enough listening experience under my belt to make that comparison.  Plus, I'm listening to a solid state amp v. your tube amp which is going to cause different colorations to the sound.

 

In general, I find the DT880 to be quite clear and detailed.  Perhpas not quite as sharp or detailed as the 1350, but I wouldn't call the difference night and day by any means.  However, I really need more time to compare them properly on my new amp.  I feel like the Asgard finally has me hearing the 880s as they were intended to sound which has me really excited and they've gotten a lot more headtime on the new amp so far.  The differences with the 1350 (old amp v. new amp) didn't appear quite as dramatic. 

 

Maybe I'll have some time over the next couple of days for some A/B testing.

 

 

I read somewhere that the loudness crap first started when someone figured out that if a song is louder than other songs on the radio, people would notice it and be more likely to buy it. But since nearly everyone is doing that, they are all too loud which defeats the original intent. There are very few people who are willing to record at normal levels and have better sonics with Steven Wilson from Porcupine Tree and T- Bone Burnett being 2.