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post #2521 of 3806
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My chain is .flac (foobar2k w/ WASAPI)-->USB-->Audinst HUD-mx1 (DAC only)-->RCA-->Schiit Asgard

 

To be fair, my Asgard isn't arriving until tomorrow, so my chain currently ends with the Audinst unit...tongue.gif

 

MP4 is typically a video file, so I'm not sure what you're meaning to ask there.  If you mean MP3 (lossy) v. a lossless format, then yes, there is a difference.  The amount of difference really depends on the ear of the listener, though, and the quality of the mp3 file (high bitrate v. low bitrate).

 

Id have to check when I get home, but I'm almost positive that my Apple Lossless files show up as MP4....don't quote me though.

post #2522 of 3806
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

 

Id have to check when I get home, but I'm almost positive that my Apple Lossless files show up as MP4....don't quote me though.

 

I think you mean .M4P.

 

Very subtle difference :P

post #2523 of 3806
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Originally Posted by skyline315 View Post

 

I think you mean .M4P.

 

Very subtle difference :P

 

You're so smart :)

post #2524 of 3806

Yeah I was thinking the same thing Focker haha

post #2525 of 3806

"Class A is overrated. It's only the lazy designer's cop-out, you can achieve results as good (or even better) but more efficiently with AB or especially D.

I'll grant it though, it's far harder to mess up the design in class A, but it requires more advanced components than the other two to achieve the same quality.

 

$1600 Cary amp vs $200 O2 - unlikely to be distinguishable, even on scope. So why pay through the nose?

It's not like high power speaker amplifiers, where the good parts are actually expensive.

Great DACs are cheap too - but it's relatively easy to mess up the design.

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Listening at 80 dB SPL? Seriously?! That's as loud as some factories where hearing protection is mandatory, EU regulations say you shouldn't be subject to this loud sound more than an hour!"

 

Do you design amplifiers enough to have a qualified opinion on the matter? On a scope there would be a clear difference no doubt between some tiny 200 dollar amp and what one might call a masterpiece of modern design. People with the money buy these things because they can. And then you say indistinguishable with an Amp you have never heard. I mean, do you operate in the zone that says your opinion is belief and fact much? I'm sorry but your entire post is basically I believe this and you should too.

 

There are VERY FEW if any Class D amps that rival the best Class A amps in SQ. Maybe the marketing hype has got to you I have no idea. I have never heard a Class D amp that sounds great in the full spectrum that is anywhere near cheap.

 

As for your 80dB limit or whatever. CALL THE PARAMEDICS. I rarely go to concerts but most of them are 110dB for two hours straight. People have been going to these since the 60s and most of them still have their hearing. And the ones that don't probably went to way too many. There is a thing called balance. I don't blare my headphones all day long. If I want to listen to a song I love at 110dB I will do that. The ringing in my ears protects me from your fear mongering.

 

EU regulations. US regulations. Yeah, let's trust the government who cannot even tell us the truth about Fukushima, factory animals, antibiotics, war, politics, financial systems, etc. I mean, sure, you don't want to be in that environment all the time but applying that to music is just silly. I'll let my own body tell me when enough is enough.

 

"Let's not confuse anyone; "switching/Class-D" amplifiers are NOT the same as traditional Class-AB amplifiers. Let's see if we can sort this out without getting too damned technical.

 

Class D amps typically have more distortion in the frequency range, hence subwoofer users like them because they are very good for bass when you need lots of wattage, and less S/N which makes them absolutely NOT the FIRST choice for high-end designers. High-end Class D amps with great sound quality still cost a lot of money. So what is the difference. There is support from both sides but in reality people still choose Class A for SQ a lot of the time. I for one don't care as long as the sound is good but you mention that Class D are so much better or something which is completely out of line.

 

Class A designers are anything but lazy. That comment is purely ridiculous.

 

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/class-d/195448-class-ab-amplifier-vs-class-d-amplifier.html

 

A thread where the argument rides on.


Edited by OrbitingCow - 9/6/12 at 6:06pm
post #2526 of 3806

hey guys....came across another track that sounds pretty great on the 1350s...."Autumn Leaves" by ATB. A nice clean bass line, interesting lyrics and some amazing female vocals. 

post #2527 of 3806
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

hey guys....came across another track that sounds pretty great on the 1350s...."Autumn Leaves" by ATB. A nice clean bass line, interesting lyrics and some amazing female vocals. 

 

Hey, I also came across another track that sounds pretty great on the 1350s.

 

All of them. 

 

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post #2528 of 3806
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Originally Posted by skyline315 View Post

 

Hey, I also came across another track that sounds pretty great on the 1350s.

 

All of them. 

 

beyersmile.png

 

lol, touche!

post #2529 of 3806

Well I think my DT1350 got dethrone as my favorite office headphone eek.gif. Not because the new contender is better technically or got more detail. No it just make the music more...like music. It's just a toe tapping machine.

 

I received the Denon DN-HP700 3 days ago and was just expecting a close headphone with some bass emphasis. I ordered them just to get a can that would handle electronic/dubstep genre.

 

Well I got that and way more. I have been listening to them at home connected to my SB Touch / DACport and just randomly played music out of my library and I have not found one genre that the Denon failed.

 

They have a unique signature that I never experienced before. They have nice clean detail high, not too hot that make the cymbal in Reckoner/Radiohead sound amazing, they have very present/forward mid that make the vocal & guitars just so engaging and they have bass that got presence and impact and nicely layered but without ever disrupting the balanced of the other frequencies. This is what I found is unique with them.

 

For me and my usual preference of neutral signature (T1, DT1350, SRH-940...) these should be like basshead headphone but I enjoyed them every minute I used them.

 

Anyway just wanted to share this with all of you. I still love my DT1350 but I think they are coming back home with me today and the HP700 are staying at work.

 

PS:  For any of you who might be interested you can read this great review  from a member that I respect very much. Be warn I'm not responsible for your wallet but at least it's only $99. biggrin.gif


Edited by Twinster - 9/7/12 at 11:24am
post #2530 of 3806
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Originally Posted by Twinster View Post

Well I think my DT1350 got dethrone as my favorite office headphone eek.gif. Not because the new contender is better technically or got more detail. No it just make the music more...like music. It's just a toe tapping machine.

 

I received the Denon DN-HP700 3 days ago and was just expecting a close headphone with some bass emphasis. I ordered them just to get a can that would handle electronic/dubstep genre.

 

Well I got that and way more. I have been listening to them at home connected to my SB Touch / DACport and just randomly played music out of my library and I have not found one genre that the Denon failed.

 

They have a unique signature that I never experienced before. They have nice clean detail high, not too hot that make the cymbal in Reckoner/Radiohead sound amazing, they have very present/forward mid that make the vocal & guitars just so engaging and they have bass that got presence and impact and nicely layered but without ever disrupting the balanced of the other frequencies. This is what I found is unique with them.

 

For me and my usual preference of neutral signature (T1, DT1350, SRH-940...) these should be like basshead headphone but I enjoyed them every minute I used them.

 

Anyway just wanted to share this with all of you. I still love my DT1350 but I think they are coming back home with me today and the HP700 are staying at work.

 

PS:  For any of you who might be interested you can read this great review  from a member that I respect very much. Be warn I'm not responsible for your wallet but at least it's only $99. biggrin.gif

 

Yeah, I've heard them. I think they're an absolute steal for the price!

 

That said, they're a little too far south of neutral for my tastes. Still, that's entirely subjective and I don't have any qualms with you pimping their sound.

 

I personally prefer the 1350s to them, but the Beyers are still going to lose out to high quality full-sized headphones on a regular basis in my book. It's when comparing them to other portables on the market that they really start to shine for me.

post #2531 of 3806
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Originally Posted by skyline315 View Post

 

Yeah, I've heard them. I think they're an absolute steal for the price!

 

That said, they're a little too far south of neutral for my tastes. Still, that's entirely subjective and I don't have any qualms with you pimping their sound.

 

I personally prefer the 1350s to them, but the Beyers are still going to lose out to high quality full-sized headphones on a regular basis in my book. It's when comparing them to other portables on the market that they really start to shine for me.

 

 

I never said they were neutral but they are very musical L3000.gifvery much so.

 

Also I think I just found one song that made me get the DT1350 out to compare. Mind Heist from Zack Hemsey. That song as massive complex bass and the Denon sounded a bit too busy. The DT1350 was a bit better but were also not perfect so I'm keeping the possibility of the track being at fault  wink.gif.

post #2532 of 3806
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Originally Posted by Twinster View Post

 

 

I never said they were neutral but they are very musical L3000.gifvery much so.

 

 

Right, which is why I said it's all subjective. 

 

I hate hearing that phrase in reviews more than anything.  To say that one headphone is more musical than another is applicable to the listener alone.  BUT, I do get what you're saying and am glad you found something you dig so much at an affordable price.  And, the fact that you've heard far more expensive headphones and still enjoy the cheaper Denons speaks volumes for them.

 

Or your ears are just trash.  wink.gif

post #2533 of 3806
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Originally Posted by skyline315 View Post

Right, which is why I said it's all subjective. 

 

I hate hearing that phrase in reviews more than anything.  To say that one headphone is more musical than another is applicable to the listener alone.  BUT, I do get what you're saying and am glad you found something you dig so much at an affordable price.  And, the fact that you've heard far more expensive headphones and still enjoy the cheaper Denons speaks volumes for them.

 

Or your ears are just trash.  wink.gif

 

 

I have to admit that the price make's it even sweeter but like I said they make listening very enjoyable but for more serious & focus listening the Beyer are better (that being the T1 & DT1350). And yes it's all very subjective.

 

If I get tired of them I know my teenage kids will just loved them biggrin.gif

post #2534 of 3806
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Originally Posted by Twinster View Post

Well I think my DT1350 got dethrone as my favorite office headphone eek.gif. Not because the new contender is better technically or got more detail. No it just make the music more...like music. It's just a toe tapping machine.

 

I received the Denon DN-HP700 3 days ago and was just expecting a close headphone with some bass emphasis. I ordered them just to get a can that would handle electronic/dubstep genre.

 

Well I got that and way more. I have been listening to them at home connected to my SB Touch / DACport and just randomly played music out of my library and I have not found one genre that the Denon failed.

 

They have a unique signature that I never experienced before. They have nice clean detail high, not too hot that make the cymbal in Reckoner/Radiohead sound amazing, they have very present/forward mid that make the vocal & guitars just so engaging and they have bass that got presence and impact and nicely layered but without ever disrupting the balanced of the other frequencies. This is what I found is unique with them.

 

For me and my usual preference of neutral signature (T1, DT1350, SRH-940...) these should be like basshead headphone but I enjoyed them every minute I used them.

 

Anyway just wanted to share this with all of you. I still love my DT1350 but I think they are coming back home with me today and the HP700 are staying at work.

 

PS:  For any of you who might be interested you can read this great review  from a member that I respect very much. Be warn I'm not responsible for your wallet but at least it's only $99. biggrin.gif


Wow, thanks for sharing. I flirted with the idea of getting them in the past but now I think I will definitely have to go for these. Thanks!

post #2535 of 3806

Old school class D indeed has its major flaws. However, if you actually use a real PFM or delta-sigma clock instead of triangle, enough oversampling (say, 8x at least) and a good reconstruction filter like sinc3, well... (Wait, it approaches the quality of class G, which is class AB done better with multiple rails.)

Also, some designers construct no-feedback class D. That severly limits their performance.

 

Obviously have to take care to not flood the signal with digital noise - problem shared by many DACs with amps too and not that hard to solve by correct PCB layout and design.

The other drawback of class D is limitations in power handling, which is of no real concern for headphone amplifiers. It probably also won't be cheap enough to compete with class AB.

 

Class A is not necessary and eats up to 50% more energy, also heating up 50% more. (it's actually also the cheapest to implement and mostly useless in headphone amps)

You can do just as well in class AB and class D with a bit more careful layout and design. Just so you know, all opamps I know of are internally class AB. Yes, including the highest end ones.

 

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So you know why many of these concerts cause tinnitus the next day, yet approach harmful levels yourself for much longer duration?

Guess why so many people are now limited to 16kHz?

It's called noise-induced hearing loss. Musicians even try to avoid it by using nice linear earplugs. (of course, these only cut some 20 dB at best) It hits the highest end first, then upper midrange/low highs, then midrange. (The highest end escapes most audiologist measurements, because it's iffy to measure and not quantified well enough in general.)

 

I'm lazy, so I'll drop you the link to the wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise-induced_hearing_loss

Here's something most relevant: "The EPA has identified the level of 70 db(A) for 24 hour exposure as the level necessary to protect the public from hearing loss (EPA, 1974)." (For 80 dB, it's about 12h.)

 

Also, please use the quote function. Makes it easier to read the post.


Edited by AstralStorm - 9/7/12 at 10:22pm
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