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I am considering buying the DT1350. Do I need an amp for these? 

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For portable use, I don't think they'd need an amp. I use mine directly out of the Cowon C2 and I think it's fine. I do believe that they would benefit a lot from one though. I've plugged mine in my dad's stereo set up and it sounded wonderful, likewise amps like the SR-71a and 2stepdance IMO can drive them with authority already.

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Originally Posted by Kapli View Post

I am considering buying the DT1350. Do I need an amp for these? 

 

u need big amp for big bass and most of all u needz to be EQing for proper treblez!!!!

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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post

u need big amp for big bass and most of all u needz to be EQing for proper treblez!!!!

 

If your forget the  wink_face.gif  somebody will actually take you seriously...

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I am serious!  These headphones are the best evar but they need hella power yo and EQ

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Do I need balanced? Will that make them sound 95% of STAX? 

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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post

I am serious!  These headphones are the best evar but they need hella power yo and EQ

 


Amp? yes. EQ? these cans are neutral enough.

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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post

u need big amp for big bass and most of all u needz to be EQing for proper treblez!!!!

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Originally Posted by maverickronin View Post

If your forget the  wink_face.gif  somebody will actually take you seriously...

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Originally Posted by tangtang View Post

Amp? yes. EQ? these cans are neutral enough.

 

Told you so.

 

Sigh...

 

Tangtang, read back a dozen or so pages and pay attention to RD's and purrin's posts.

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Yeah I'm just kidding.  You should listen to what makes you happy.  beerchug.gif

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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post

Yeah I'm just kidding.  You should listen to what makes you happy.  beerchug.gif

 

Indeed. That's why I avoid the Beyer DT1350. wink_face.gif

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Why does it need a new page? Just have all the opinions, good to bad on the one thread is better.

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People making sarcastic comments, unless it it clearly so, doesn't help users in making choices about gear selection. If you have differing opinions to another user then spell it out and then move on.

The most important thing though is to only make comment about what you have actually used or heard.

If someone is looking for a closed portable can then DT1350 is a great place to start.
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Originally Posted by Kremer930 View Post

People making sarcastic comments, unless it it clearly so, 

 

I think it was pretty clear and obvious those sarcastic comments were sarcastic given the use of certain grammatical constructs and outlandish claims by RD and me respectively.

 

But putting all fanboism and hater-ism aside, lets look at some objective data comparing two other popular supra-auras with the DT1350:

 

DT1350 (Non-defective) Frequency Response

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Energy storage from 500Hz up

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V-Moda M80 Frequency Response

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Energy storage from 500Hz up

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HD25+random characters Frequency Response

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Energy Storage from 500Hz up

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Why I Didn't Do This Earlier

 

I would have posted this much earlier, but this thread seemed more to be an fanboi appreciation thread rather than one where the strengths of weaknesses of the DT1350 could actually be discussed. I generally don't feel like posting good data like this if people just want fawn over how great their own headphones are.

 

Personal Opinions and Subjective Impressions

 

My personal opinion is that the Senn is the worst of the three. Too much low bass, mid bass, and high bass. While not very much in energy storage in the treble, there are sharp peaks, and these hurt me. The flatness of the midrange is commendable, but the bass and treble are showstopper issues for me. It does sound clean, but out of my main rig, I don't hear the little nuances and micro-detail, what I call plankton, which involve me in the music. In other words, it's clinical sounding. Many others will however appreciate the Senn for what it is, and that's OK.

 

The V-Moda and Beyer are a toss-up for me. Although the DT1350 has better transient response and is cleaner and snappier than the M80, it has an obvious ridge at 14kHz. The good thing is that this resonance is quite high up and thus not too noticeable. The other thing I found troubling is the upper-mids: the double peaks at 2k and 4.5k followed by a depression up to the peak. This is a little bit too uneven and "odd" sounding for my tastes. While the M80 isn't much better with its significant 1.5-2k bump. The bump is broad, and what follows after it is a little more linear than the Beyer. I found both headphones able to reproduce the plankton I am so fond of. Ultimately, I give the M80s the nod because of it's more laid back treble.

 

Realistic Assessments

 

Finally, while these supra-aurals (M80 and DT1350) are very very good, and have certain characteristics of top headphones such as the HE500 or HE6, they really do not come close upon greater scrutiny. Powering them balanced with special op-amp kits, or un-obtainium vintage tubes circa 1920 - it all doesn't matter. These measurements don't change much or at all with different amps or DACs, not matter how expensive or special.

 

For comparison. Even a modest "Mid-Fi" HE500 spanks the DT1350 when it comes to energy storage (or lack thereof) - which often relates to perceived "speed", decay, and "black-ground"

 

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And just in case you are wondering, my ears hear the same thing as above. The HE500 is simply way more neutral and cleaner sounding with a much blacker background than the DT1350. 

 

 


Edited by purrin - 4/26/12 at 10:30pm
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@purrin

 

Thanks for sharing some objective and quantitative data........plus your interpretation of same.  

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