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Ultrasone Edition 8 compared to Denon D7000

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hello,

 

I was just curious out there what people thought of the Edition 8 in comparison to the D7000.

 

I've had the opportunity to listen to both of them but unfortunately not on the same setup and also not interchangeably. In all honesty, I preferred the sound of the D7000, but I can't say I had long enough with the Ed8 to really give them a truly fair shot. Who has heard both, maybe on similar setups, and can comment on which is the ultimate closed headphone for you?

 

Thanks

post #2 of 17

Quick answer for me personally D7000. For a longer answer I'll be back after work.

post #3 of 17

I'm still interested in reading the longer answer, especially as you have the Ultrasones and not the Denons in your sig :)


Edited by 1974 - 4/1/11 at 7:36pm
post #4 of 17
I've owned the D7000s twice and enjoyed them very much. But for closed headphones, they isolate quite poorly. So I picked up the Edition8s. The Ultrasones isolate better than any other headphones I've heard.

The bass on the D7000s is subwoofer like, but not too shabby on the Ed.8s (the bass is tighter on the Ed. 8s). I do find the mids a bit too recessed on the Denons, but nice and forward on the Ed. 8s. Soundstage wise, the Ed. 8s beat many open headphones and are better than the D7000s. The Denon's are the most comfortable of the two.

Both are great, but the Ed. 8s are pricey (almost 3x if you compare to the Ed. 8 LEs). IMO, the Ed. 8s are the best closed headphones I've heard.
post #5 of 17

Glasslike is no longer posting on Head-Fi (from what I understand), but I am definitely interested in hearing someone's thought on this subject. Especially since I'm looking to nab a pair of D7000s in the next few months.
 

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I'm still interested in reading the longer answer, especially as you have the Ultrasones and not the Denons in your sig :)



 

post #6 of 17

Ed. 8s are more refined, especially with vocals and bass detail. Ed 8s are more palpable but in a silky, natural way.

The D7000s have a nice pleasant bass, but it is not as integrated with the rest of the sound, and is kind of "plump,"

like a speaker with a 12 inch woofer. Actually, the Ed 8s also can have  a too robust bass also, and in that way is similar to the D7000s,

but with Ed 8, it is more dependent on the recording, in that it seems to get bass-heavy if the recording has lots of bass.

The D7000 seems to always have the same level of bass, plump but friendly and satisfying. I think there may be a bass coloration on the Denons.

Highs are sweet on both phones, maybe sligtly recessed on on the Denons, but not rolled off.

 

The D7000s are comfort kings, light and fluffy. The Ed8s clamp more and have a small ear opening, which may not fit larger ears.

I like both phones. If you are comfort-obsessed, get the D7000s. If you want natural vocals and midrange instruments and interesting micro soundstaging,

get the Ed 8s.

 

If you want an excellent compromise with nice comfort, get Beyer T1s and use tubes.

post #7 of 17

I wrote a small comparison between D7000 & Edition 8 & I thought I'd post them in this thread.   I was also trying to decide between these two headphones, eventually purchased both, compared them extensively and prefer the sound of Edition 8 to D7000 in almost every regard.  

 

Bass on Edition 8 is deep and powerful when needed, but seems more true to recordings as noted above, versus D7000 which I thought was often excessive.  D7000 also emphasize sub-bass, which has a nice movie theater effect, whereas bass on Edition 8 seems integrated with the rest of the lower frequencies making drums sound more realistic.  Likewise D7000 are very bright to these ears, which got very tiring after long listening sessions.  Edition 8 are also on the bright side, but less so and not nearly as fatiguing.  The combination of intense bass and treble on D7000 was sometimes deadly with electronic drums, even at low volumes.  

 

The biggest difference is the mids.  D7000 kept putting the vocals and guitar too far back on the stage & threw heavily orchestrated music off balance (for example, Broken Social Scene, Radiohead), by burying the vocals under the sound of instruments in the high and low registers of the recording. Edition 8 have a much better presentation of the mids, and make instruments and musicians sound more evenly represented across the spectrum.  After over a year of ownership, I finally sold my D7000 and won't look back.

post #8 of 17

I had a very similar experience when transitioning from the AH-D7000 to the Ed 8 LE. Right out of the box, a quick comparison between them revealed the Ed 8 to be on a different league. The first thing I noticed was the depth and precision of the Ed 8's bass. It just had more of a controlled impact and slam than the D7000, which felt rather loose and boomy. The D7000 also suffered from a moderate mid-bass emphasis, which tended to overwhelm the mid frequencies, specially in dense orchestral passages. And although the D7000 won hands-down in the comfort area, it failed miserably in the isolation department, where the Ed 8 excels. Actually, with summer right around the corner, the isolation afforded by the Ed 8 is a substantial benefit against the incessant background noise of air-conditioners.

 

Either way, I sold my D7000 as well. But in my case, they were gone less than a week after the Ed 8 LE arrived...
 

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I wrote a small comparison between D7000 & Edition 8 & I thought I'd post them in this thread [...]


 


Edited by Arnaldo - 5/28/11 at 4:30pm
post #9 of 17

I think there is room for both of them in a collection.

 

The Edition 8 does deal with vocals/mids a lot better and genres where bass isn't a focus. But for some genres I feel it lacks the bass weight which makes the D7000 enjoyable.

 

Radiohead sound pretty awesome on both though.

post #10 of 17
With all these comparisons it looks like the D7K has set the standard.
post #11 of 17

 

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With all these comparisons it looks like the D7K has set the standard.


The majority seem to prefer the Edition 8.

 

It depends on what you like to listen to.  I haven't owned the D7000, but got to audition it as I was extremely interested.  Of the "flagship" headphones of any particular manufacturer's lineup, it weighs in as one of the cheapest.  Overall, I found them to be enjoyable.  Great, big bass, non-fatiguing sound, and very comfortable.  However, I found the highs to be a bit on the brittle side and the mid-range presentation was too recessed to make them suitable for all genres. (versatility is a necessity for me)  They very much reminded me of the Darth Beyers in many respects.  However, I preferred the comfortability, bass presentation, (because there's even more!) and treble response of the Darths.  While the D7000 sounded more refined by comparison as it didn't get as muddied up by the low frequencies, I felt that either one was really best suited to hip-hop and electronic and, from what I heard, I preferred the Darth for both.

 

I've only had my Edition 8 for a few weeks now, but I made the purchase after not being able to audition them anywhere.  It was also a leap of faith of sorts as I didn't really enjoy the HFI-780 or PRO-900, but comments on here sounded so intriguing that I needed to give them a shot.  I found a price where I would be able to recoup my investment should they not fit my needs, but I'm pleased to say that they do everything right.  I'd give the comfortability nod to the Beyers and D7000, but they're by no means bad in this regard.  I have a small-ish head and ears but could see how it the small cups would present a problem for some.  Other than that and the fact that soundstage size is limited by the closed design, (among the best I've heard in this regard and especially impressive considering the cups, however) I have yet to find any drawbacks.  Well, actually they may be too resolving for some.  No detail is left uncovered by these, so those with low-bitrate collections need not apply.  I'll admit that they definitely tore through a few records and exposed flaws that I never noticed thereby taking some of the enjoyment out of them, but I don't consider this to be the headphones' fault.  Garbage in, garbage out.  As far as my main SQ need for versatility, it meets the criteria in spades.  The mid range frequencies are produced as well as I've ever heard, closed cans or otherwise, leading to a great experience with just about everything.  Treble has energy and sparkle, but it never sounds false or harsh and is always perfectly integrated into the recording.  The bass is pronounced but, again, not unnaturally so like the D7000 or Darths.  I've read impressions stating that it's slightly "rolled off," but I honestly haven't noticed any lack of extension... and I actively looked for it.  Being that I didn't audition these, if they had any deficiencies to speak of I needed to find out fast so I could set up a return with the seller.  Imaging and instrument placement is also beyond superb.

 

I do believe that the D7000 is more fun with a small selection of content. (just as I do the aforementioned Darths)  However, I do believe that the Edition 8 outclasses them in every respect apart from comfortability.

 

post #12 of 17

I sold my Denon 7000 and bought Ed 8 LE. I guess that tell you something. But I have only heard D7000 only for a week and I didnt hear much difference from my Denon 5000.  so it's gone by now and sorry I dun rmb the sound of it any more. I am a bass head so I love D7000/5000.

 

But for Ed 8 it's just something special about it. They are beautiful of course. and for me it's more comfortable than denon (yeah a lil bit tight, but u get used to it very very quick, denon is comfortable but a lil bit lose, and sometimes the headband really add pressure on my head) The isolation is one of the best. And it's really really balanced with really deep and defined bass, clarity and crystal clear sound! and...It suits me really well.It's all down to the personal preference. And I am sure in this forum, denon 7000 unite is at least 5 times larger and ed8 ^^. So let's wait and see how this thread turns out. For me .Ed 8 is and will be my favourite headphone over $1000.

 

Btw for those who thought ed 8 is lack of bass. I guess only denon or LCD 2 can really provide enough bass for you (or dre beats?tongue_smile.gif)

 

 

 
 
 
 
 

Edited by tupac0306 - 5/28/11 at 7:31am
post #13 of 17

 

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Btw for those who thought ed 8 is lack of bass. I guess only denon or LCD 2 can really provide enough bass for you (or dre beats?tongue_smile.gif)

 
 
 
 
 


Another thing to note is that the bass is very seal-dependant.  I've read at least one report of someone's bone structure leading to gaps created at the bottoms of the cups where they needed to physically hold them to their head to get any bass presence.

 

With bass-heavy music, the Edition 8 gives a nice pinna massage.  Even me, a Darth appreciator and admitted headphone basshead, is more than satisfied by the low-end performance of these cans.  What the Edition 8 doesn't do is inject bass where it's not present to begin with.

post #14 of 17
Edition 8 sounds more detailed and faster to me, plenty of bass, very nice and natural soundstage even when its small and closed. The mids are quite a bit better on the Edition 8 too, but I don't really see it is its strong point, imo the punchy and tight bass response combined with its speed makes it very enjoyable.
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Another thing to note is that the bass is very seal-dependant.  I've read at least one report of someone's bone structure leading to gaps created at the bottoms of the cups where they needed to physically hold them to their head to get any bass presence.


That might have been me!

 

I agree with the bass being seal dependant. Applying slight pressure to the bottom of the cups (not forcing the drivers into my ears) makes the bass more present. Perhaps it is my small head, but I wouldn't mind a bit more clamp to create a better seal.

 

Since there seems to be no way around this, unless the leather earpads soften up over time, I tend to use setting 1 bass boost on my Arrow to give a bit more in the low end.

 

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