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I don't feel like reading through the many pages here, but after reading your first post, I felt that I had to reply.  Driving a headphone properly is more than just volume.  Even my K240, which are a great first headphone unamped, DEFINITELY benefit from an amplifier.  My Ultrasone Pro 650, like your 550, sound great unamped.  However, while they work unamped, you aren't going to be at their full potential until you add an amplifier.  If you wanted to run your headphones unamped and be impressed, you should have gotten the hfi-580 or DJ1 Pro.  Don't blame the headphones for your incorrect use.  /end rant

AKG may run at 32 ohms, but they take WAY WAY WAY more current than an ultrasone to run properly.
 

post #47 of 73
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AKG may run at 32 ohms, but they take WAY WAY WAY more current than an ultrasone to run properly.
 


AKG doesn't run at 32 Ohms.  AKG run at 55 Ohms.  The Ultrasone Pro 550 run at 64, while my Pro 650 run at 75 Ohms.  There's more to how a headphone will sound than just the impedance, but it's a good starting point because you can infer the intended use through it.  A headphone manufacturer that expects to sell to the ipod crowd will design a full-size headphone to run at 32 Ohms, while a headphone designed at a higher impedance is targeted at more serious home/studio use.  The engineers think about the target audience when they're working.

 

Don't get a studio headphone and then complain that your consumer-grade setup isn't driving them optimally.  While his Pro 550 sound much better than anything you'd be able to run down to your local big-box electronics store and buy, they aren't running at their full potential unamped.  The bass is by far the most noticeable improvement with amplification.

post #48 of 73
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Originally Posted by WhiteCrow View Post

 

AKG may run at 32 ohms, but they take WAY WAY WAY more current than an ultrasone to run properly.
 


AKG doesn't run at 32 Ohms.  AKG run at 55 Ohms.  The Ultrasone Pro 550 run at 64, while my Pro 650 run at 75 Ohms.  There's more to how a headphone will sound than just the impedance, but it's a good starting point because you can infer the intended use through it.  A headphone manufacturer that expects to sell to the ipod crowd will design a full-size headphone to run at 32 Ohms, while a headphone designed at a higher impedance is targeted at more serious home/studio use.  The engineers think about the target audience when they're working.

 

Don't get a studio headphone and then complain that your consumer-grade setup isn't driving them optimally.  While his Pro 550 sound much better than anything you'd be able to run down to your local big-box electronics store and buy, they aren't running at their full potential unamped.  The bass is by far the most noticeable improvement with amplification.



the k271 rated at 32 ohms doesn't run at 32 ohms?

post #49 of 73

As a ultrasone fan I'll give you my 2 cents regarding my HFI-780s.

 

Isolation on the HFI-780 is very good especailly when they are new as the clamp for is strongest, this will be the same on the 580

 

The HFI-580 has better bass impact but benefits from EQ to get the bass head level.

 

I'used to EQ up my 780 with from my soundcard mixer rather than itunes or media player this then translates in to gaming and gives buch better sound quaility. I use the 780s at work now with my fiio e7 and use bass boost level 3 which is pretty good.

 

I'm not sure what soundcard you are using but I get best results when I EQ from my soundcard mixer (xonar DX) rather than itunes or media player this then carries over in to gaming.

 

You need to have a decent DAP to get the best out of ultrasones and ideally amping with a desktop amp set up. Unamped however they are still decent.

 

If you want a quick fix I suggest getting the sony xb500 as a second set for your bass needs as the 550 pro's seem like a fine set of cans to give up.

 

oh and

 

"I doubt that the lack of thumpyness is due to running un-amped as the set can get painfully loud at times." 

 

       Amping isnt about volume its about power, on certain headphones the amp will bring out a fuller refined sound not just make it louder. It seems putting the beyer pads on generally reduces the bass tighness and not worth it.


Edited by BlutoSlice - 1/10/11 at 9:05am
post #50 of 73

Scytus> Yea I would probably get a HFI-580 in case I get these Denons sold and would be able to find a reasonable deal on the HFI-580, I'd have to order from abroad and it's a PITA to try and return them then so I'd have to sell it in case it's not what I was looking for like I do with the Denons but I haven't had any serious offers on them yet.

 

Well I don't know exactly how strong bass punch you're looking for but I doubt HFI-580 is much weaker if any compared to the Denons. Reason I think Denons seem so bassy is probably cuz of the recessed mids and smooth/somewhat rolled off highs, the less emphasized the other frequencies are ofc the bassier it will sound like, it works both ways. I didn't think the Denons sounded that great unEQ'd and you should also take a look at the review http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/519597/denon-d5000-vs-d2000-vs-d1100-vs-bose-on-ear-a-humble-review-enclosed he pretty much came to similar conclusions D1100 needs some EQing to sound great and we're not talking only about bass here. What I expect about the Ultrasones is that they are better balanced and will let more mids and highs out as well which is basicly what you'd probably end up EQing the D1100 for, at best you may only need to bump the bast just a tiny bit on the Ultrasones.

 

I'm not looking for less airy-sound, XB500 I have are fairly "airy" sounding because of it's unique design as they aren't quite closed but semi-closed with the 3 holes at the back or large bassrelflex ports if you want and the big "airchamber" that is created between the thick pads and the ear. Mochan that has tried probably around 30 headphones agrees with me as well that the XB700 in his case is very "airy" sounding, XB500 & XB700 isn't that much different in that regard. I'm only looking for warm/forward/aggressive/up-front sound but the soundstage can still be good (I actually love the wide soundstage in games for better immersion and realistic experience), although more often than not very warm sounding headphones takes its toll when it comes to instrument separation when mostly listening to complex passages in music (not such a great issue for gaming or more simplistic songs for example), but I don't concider soundstage and instrument separation the same thing at least. Only instrument separation isn't that important for me, for me the more "blended" together sound of very warm headphones sounds more enjoyable than headphones that seem so distant and separated in the instruments why in my case I liked the XB500 better than D1100.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 1/10/11 at 9:33am
post #51 of 73
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Originally Posted by BlutoSlice View Post

As a ultrasone fan I'll give you my 2 cents regarding my HFI-780s.

 

Isolation on the HFI-780 is very good especailly when they are new as the clamp for is strongest, this will be the same on the 580

 

The HFI-580 has better bass impact but benefits from EQ to get the bass head level.

 

I'used to EQ up my 780 with from my soundcard mixer rather than itunes or media player this then translates in to gaming and gives buch better sound quaility. I use the 780s at work now with my fiio e7 and use bass boost level 3 which is pretty good.

 

I'm not sure what soundcard you are using but I get best results when I EQ from my soundcard mixer (xonar DX) rather than itunes or media player this then carries over in to gaming.

 

You need to have a decent DAP to get the best out of ultrasones and ideally amping with a desktop amp set up. Unamped however they are still decent.

 

If you want a quick fix I suggest getting the sony xb500 as a second set for your bass needs as the 550 pro's seem like a fine set of cans to give up.

 

oh and

 

"I doubt that the lack of thumpyness is due to running un-amped as the set can get painfully loud at times." 

 

       Amping isnt about volume its about power, on certain headphones the amp will bring out a fuller refined sound not just make it louder. It seems putting the beyer pads on generally reduces the bass tighness and not worth it.



I can't EQ from my soundcard, I have crappy Dell SIGMATEL on-board soudncard, and their drivers/software suck :C



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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

Scytus> Yea I would probably get a HFI-580 in case I get these Denons sold and would be able to find a reasonable deal on the HFI-580, I'd have to order from abroad and it's a PITA to try and return them then so I'd have to sell it in case it's not what I was looking for like I do with the Denons but I haven't had any serious offers on them yet.

 

Well I don't know exactly how strong bass punch you're looking for but I doubt HFI-580 is much weaker if any compared to the Denons. Reason I think Denons seem so bassy is probably cuz of the recessed mids and smooth/somewhat rolled off highs, the less emphasized the other frequencies are ofc the bassier it will sound like, it works both ways. I didn't think the Denons sounded that great unEQ'd and you should also take a look at the review http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/519597/denon-d5000-vs-d2000-vs-d1100-vs-bose-on-ear-a-humble-review-enclosed he pretty much came to similar conclusions D1100 needs some EQing to sound great and we're not talking only about bass here. What I expect about the Ultrasones is that they are better balanced and will let more mids and highs out as well which is basicly what you'd probably end up EQing the D1100 for, at best you may only need to bump the bast just a tiny bit on the Ultrasones.

 

I'm not looking for less airy-sound, XB500 I have are fairly "airy" sounding because of it's unique design as they aren't quite closed but semi-closed with the 3 holes at the back or large bassrelflex ports if you want and the big "airchamber" that is created between the thick pads and the ear. Mochan that has tried probably around 30 headphones agrees with me as well that the XB700 in his case is very "airy" sounding, XB500 & XB700 isn't that much different in that regard. I'm only looking for warm/forward/aggressive/up-front sound but the soundstage can still be good (I actually love the wide soundstage in games for better immersion and realistic experience), although more often than not very warm sounding headphones takes its toll when it comes to instrument separation when mostly listening to complex passages in music (not such a great issue for gaming or more simplistic songs for example), but I don't concider soundstage and instrument separation the same thing at least. Only instrument separation isn't that important for me, for me the more "blended" together sound of very warm headphones sounds more enjoyable than headphones that seem so distant and separated in the instruments why in my case I liked the XB500 better than D1100.


Oh I definitely enjoy sound separation, I like being able to make out every instrument that is playing x] I think I might get the HFI-580's, and if I find the bass to be not up to my likings, I'll go in the direction of the D1100's. If that doesn't work, i'm just going to give up and get myself a $20 pair of plantronics headphones x]

post #52 of 73

 

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"I can't EQ from my soundcard, I have crappy Dell SIGMATEL on-board soudncard, and their drivers/software "

 

 

I can reccomend the fiio E7, good value and has a great multi stage bass boost. Ditch the onboard sound its more hassle than its worth.

Alternatively a Asus Xonar DG or DX are cheap and good little performers and the EQ is decent (IMHO). You might be able to bring up the pros to you liking with either.


Edited by BlutoSlice - 1/11/11 at 1:49am
post #53 of 73
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Originally Posted by BlutoSlice View Post

 

Quote:
"I can't EQ from my soundcard, I have crappy Dell SIGMATEL on-board soudncard, and their drivers/software "

 

 

I can reccomend the fiio E7, good value and has a great multi stage bass boost. Ditch the onboard sound its more hassle than its worth.

Alternatively a Asus Xonar DG or DX are cheap and good little performers and the EQ is decent (IMHO). You might be able to bring up the pros to you liking with either.


One of my main concerns from the start, was to run without the need of an amp.

 

 

 

On another note, I just finished returning my PRO550's, should have my refund soon.

 

I was recently reading this thread, which described that the while the HFI-580's bass was tight, it wasn't hard hitting..

..I feel as if I'm back to square one :C

post #54 of 73

If you really want bass, you can't go wrong with the Sony XB500s. A little EQ from a player on the computer makes them even better, I am told. I have heard them, and when you EQ the bass up, the cans shake on your head and you are engulfed in a wave of bass.

post #55 of 73

The Sonys isolates poor and leaks some sound though which isn't what he's looking for.

post #56 of 73
Thread Starter 
Yea the extremely (and suprisingly) poor isolation of the PRO550 is the main cause to me having them returned.

Also the highs/mids are just as important as a punchy bass. As is soundstage and isolation.

Im just unsure, as im getting mixed reviews, for example this thread seems to be praising the HFI-580's for their bass, while others say the opposite of that effect.
post #57 of 73

I would look in the portable phones thread by somebody on here (I forget who.) Also, I would not discount the HFI-580s completely. A little EQ can go a long way sometimes. Look into getting the jet audio player which has the BBE effects. A poster here has had success with it.

post #58 of 73
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Ive been made aware of the jetaudio player, ive installed it and had less than optimal results with the PRO550's. Im also looking for a set that doesn't require EQ, as id be using it for gaming as well. My soundcard does not have built-in EQ.
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Originally Posted by BlutoSlice View Post

 

Quote:
"I can't EQ from my soundcard, I have crappy Dell SIGMATEL on-board soudncard, and their drivers/software "

 

 

I can reccomend the fiio E7, good value and has a great multi stage bass boost. Ditch the onboard sound its more hassle than its worth.

Alternatively a Asus Xonar DG or DX are cheap and good little performers and the EQ is decent (IMHO). You might be able to bring up the pros to you liking with either.


One of my main concerns from the start, was to run without the need of an amp.

 

 

 

On another note, I just finished returning my PRO550's, should have my refund soon.

 

I was recently reading this thread, which described that the while the HFI-580's bass was tight, it wasn't hard hitting..

..I feel as if I'm back to square one :C


maybe out of an Ipod, out of a sony walkman then's bass cannons. seriously, who said they arnt hard hitting? even with an Ipod thay have some serious slam and boom.

post #60 of 73

I get much better results with my Cowon MP3 player's BBE than the computer version because if the lack of preamp. The fact that I have an amplifier kind of lets me make up for the fact that the JetAudio doesn't have preamp. Somehow lowering it's volume down, I reduce the player's gain. Amping helps bring the volume up at that same output with reduced gain. I don't have ANY of these problems with the MP3 player. No distortion whatsoever even with X-Bass on maximum.

 

It is ridiculous that the full volume level of JetAudio player has the preamp set too high on the computer. I don't know what they were thinking, but Samsung doesn't seem to have a computer version of their player so I gotta live with the JetAudio if I want to do some aggressive EQing for some reason.
 

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Originally Posted by Scytus View Post

Ive been made aware of the jetaudio player, ive installed it and had less than optimal results with the PRO550's. Im also looking for a set that doesn't require EQ, as id be using it for gaming as well. My soundcard does not have built-in EQ.

Edited by wind016 - 1/11/11 at 3:46pm
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