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post #46 of 62
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post

OP, to tell you the truth, I think you were just expecting too much. Like I was. I thought these hundred dollar headphones would be absolutely unbelievable, but quite frankly, they are actually believable. They aren't everything people expect them to be. They still play the same old music you are used to listening to, just in a more refined way. People make it seem like it's night in day difference, but it really never has been...

 

Even with everyone who says "they really open up when you use an amp", I take that with little value. Well, at least with my MKIII tube amp. Do they sound better? Yes, but not by THAT much. Once again, you are still hearing the same old music, just a bit better. No headphone is going to transform your hearing for the better, and no headphone will make a bad song sound good. If you like the music, you like it with whatever headphone you listen to. But it's always nice to hear it with a touch more clarity, dynamics, and resolution. A touch more...

I suddenly realized that people going from iBuds to Beats headphones get a huge WOW factor. Then they don't get as much afterwards when swapping to other headphones...
 

post #47 of 62

@olor1n and sugarkang,

Guys, I am not a mod but you are de-railing this thread. If you must continue to bicker like an old married couple please do some via PM.

 

On topic,  OP I think that you should wait till you get your STX and take a listen then. If you find the sound still lacking in terms of tone, perhaps look for another headphone. Amps do not really change the tone of a headphone (yes tubes can a little but not completely IME).

 

If you find the sound lacking in terms of other respects but like the overall tone, then perhaps return the STX and buy a bigger/better amp/dac combo.

 

You may find that you like them out of the STX and are satisfied; if this is the case then stop there. 

 

However, if you like the HD650 tone then I would suggest saving up for a Burson Audio HA160 or 160D. It has been the best amp I have heard yet. I think that in the amp world it is wiser to jump to something great and skip the entry pack (from my own experiences). 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Dave


Edited by myinitialsaredac - 1/4/11 at 10:34pm
post #48 of 62


 

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@olor1n and sugarkang,

Guys, I am not a mod but you are de-railing this thread. If you must continue to bicker like an old married couple please do some via PM.

 

On topic,  OP I think that you should wait till you get your STX and take a listen then. If you find the sound still lacking in terms of tone, perhaps look for another headphone. Amps do not really change the tone of a headphone (yes tubes can a little but not completely IME).

 

If you find the sound lacking in terms of other respects but like the overall tone, then perhaps return the STX and buy a bigger/better amp/dac combo.

 

You may find that you like them out of the STX and are satisfied; if this is the case then stop there. 

 

However, if you like the HD650 tone then I would suggest saving up for a Burson Audio HA160 or 160D. It has been the best amp I have heard yet. I think that in the amp world it is wiser to jump to something great and skip the entry pack (from my own experiences). 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Dave


+1 Loving my HD600 on my 160D

post #49 of 62
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Originally Posted by myinitialsaredac View Post

 

On topic,  OP I think that you should wait till you get your STX and take a listen then. If you find the sound still lacking in terms of tone, perhaps look for another headphone. Amps do not really change the tone of a headphone (yes tubes can a little but not completely IME).

 

If you find the sound lacking in terms of other respects but like the overall tone, then perhaps return the STX and buy a bigger/better amp/dac combo.

 

You may find that you like them out of the STX and are satisfied; if this is the case then stop there. 

 

However, if you like the HD650 tone then I would suggest saving up for a Burson Audio HA160 or 160D. It has been the best amp I have heard yet. I think that in the amp world it is wiser to jump to something great and skip the entry pack (from my own experiences). 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Dave


Pretty sound advice here.

post #50 of 62

Not going to join this post argument....

 

+1 on the E7/E9 combo

 

Asgard is 250 just for the amp...

 

You need to complete the chain and get a DAC

 

so yea , for start $200 for the Fiio

 

Gotta buy from MiccaStore, free shipping and has discounted bundle then anywhere

post #51 of 62
Straight out of my integrated audio, the HD 650 isn't all that impressive.

Since you've already gotten a good soundcard/DAC, why not try the E9? I have the E7/E9 combo and get a very revelatory upgrade from cheaper Senns and Grado SR80i. So much so that I wrote a 'ZOMG! Hedfonez!' post about it.
post #52 of 62

You don't need a dedicated DAC when you have the Essence STX on the way. The STX already has a pretty decent DAC and amp built in.

The amp obviously isn't as good as my Schiit Asgard for example, but the difference isn't as HUGE as you might think after reading on these forums for a while. You might be perfectly satisfied with just the sound card.

I think you should look at different headphones as I think you're looking for more aggressive bass punch, which the HD650 just won't give you.


Edited by Aizura - 1/5/11 at 12:23am
post #53 of 62

By objective measurements, the STX is rather phenomenal.

post #54 of 62

Op I really think you should give the HD650's another chance... I got mine all but 2 weeks ago and I absolutely hated them when I put it on for the first time even with my LD MKIV amp coming out of a inferno soundcard. After about 200-300 hours of burn-in i must say these cans turned spectacular. Funny thing is these cans will sound worse before they sound better so don't give up you hopes too soon.

 

I'm not sure how the xonar will stack up in terms of proper ampiflication but it should be miles ahead of onboard so keep it until you burn it in and get that soundcard before making any other decisions.

post #55 of 62

No mistake. They're nice phones

post #56 of 62

 

I dunno about needing a $400 amp - the E9 seems to drive them quite well - with bass extension that has only improved with burn in. I don't hear upper range clipping either.

At the very least, the gain switch makes it so that on high gain, I rarely need to get it beyond 1 o'clock on the pot.
post #57 of 62

The Schiit Asgard pairs well with the HD 650 for $250 or so, plus it has excellent warranty terms and a 15day return policy.

post #58 of 62

Also the op can swap out the Two I/V op-amps for a pair of better op-amps.The JRCs prolly isnt gonna do them any justice.Then also to make sure to set the headphone amp towards the ohm of the headphones.

post #59 of 62

I'll just add my experience of amping HD580 (essentially a HD600) on the cheap. I was recently given a 1980's mid level Yamaha amp and found the headphone out to combine really excellently with the 580s, the headphone stage is transformer coupled to the amp and provides plenty of power - the added control gives lots of added detail across frequencies and, a good, precise sound stage, the sound is not veiled to my ears with this amp (the best I've heard the 580s actually- having heard a few decent mid priced head amps and always been a bit meh about the 580s with them). If the OP can get such an amp cheaply he will have an idea of what these headphones sound like with more than ample power delivered appropriately for his Senns, and thus whether he wants to stick with them. If they're still disappointing then perhaps they're not for him, and he will likely be able to sell the amp for what he bought it for if it goes that way. It's a cheap option in any case.

 

For his preferred genres the 650s may not be his ultimate choice...

post #60 of 62

Your experience parallels mine. I've found most good brand integrateds, including Yamaha, to provide excellent performance with the Senns. I do not believe they benefit much from a dedicated amp. Lower impedance cans may, but the high impedance Senns seem to be impervious to impedance matching and perform as well as the design of the amp will allow. Yamaha, Rotel, Marantz, NAD and Onkyo have been producing good to great sounding integrateds and receivers for decades now, and many if not most will do the Senns full justice.

 

My remarks do not apply to ultra high price dedicated amps. I've never heard one and will never own one, as I'm not in that economic strata. Thus to me they're irrelevant.

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