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post #1 of 54
Thread Starter 

read the first Q/A

 

http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=faqs&content_id=3&pagestring=cable+use

 

this literally made me lol.  next step: hook up hospital equipment with cardas to heal patients??  the mere fact that whoever owns cardas has the nerves to post this on his "frequently asked question" section makes me hate his products.

post #2 of 54

Are you just trolling or have you tried it?

 

I would say if you have not tried it; telling someone they are not experiencing what they say is a bit of an unsubstantiated ridiculous statement or a personal attack...

 

I am not saying it would or would not make a difference as I have nor tried it, nor have I a way of explaining it, nor have I done any research into it.

 

However, if this is an unsubstantiated viewpoint you are projecting from a digital soapbox, I think it is fair to say that this is the type of post that counter acts the intentions of anyone looking for evidence of changes caused by cables in either direction of the fence. Further it is also insulting to whoever posted their experience as you are essentially suggesting they are either full of it or are blatantly lying to comfort themselves.

 

Either way I do not understand why you felt the need to post this as it does not do justice for the anti cable claims camp; in fact I would say it only works against them as the introduction of fallacies into an argument usually weakens the position.

 

Dave

 

post #3 of 54

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Originally Posted by myinitialsaredac View Post

Are you just trolling or have you tried it?

 

I would say if you have not tried it; telling someone they are not experiencing what they say is a bit of an unsubstantiated ridiculous statement or a personal attack...

 

So you'd have no issue with me telling you that the aircraft flying over my house make less noise when I wear a blue shirt than when I wear other colors?

post #4 of 54
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

So you'd have no issue with me telling you that the aircraft flying over my house make less noise when I wear a blue shirt than when I wear other colors?


What, you've noticed that too?  So try this: if you always hang your blue shirts between two white shirts, the aircraft are practically silent!

post #5 of 54
Thread Starter 

why would my beliefs even matter?  do you seriously believe that it's possible for a power cable to influence display quality? 

Ive listened to a few power cables (not cardas), a few headphone cables (cardas included) and personally cant hear the difference.  I dont really care if others believe in the benefits of boutique audio cables or not, but I draw the line at making displays "easier on the eye".

As Jerry mentioned above, your reasoning is completely illogical; it's exactly how people justify supernatural bs like homeopathic medicine, psychics, etc.  They all use the argument "just because you havent experienced it, doesnt mean its not true."

 

I posted this because cardas is one of the more popular cable companies (at least within hifi communities).  If they post absurd claims like this why should anyone take them seriously?

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Originally Posted by myinitialsaredac View Post

Are you just trolling or have you tried it?

 

I would say if you have not tried it; telling someone they are not experiencing what they say is a bit of an unsubstantiated ridiculous statement or a personal attack...

 

I am not saying it would or would not make a difference as I have nor tried it, nor have I a way of explaining it, nor have I done any research into it.

 

However, if this is an unsubstantiated viewpoint you are projecting from a digital soapbox, I think it is fair to say that this is the type of post that counter acts the intentions of anyone looking for evidence of changes caused by cables in either direction of the fence. Further it is also insulting to whoever posted their experience as you are essentially suggesting they are either full of it or are blatantly lying to comfort themselves.

 

Either way I do not understand why you felt the need to post this as it does not do justice for the anti cable claims camp; in fact I would say it only works against them as the introduction of fallacies into an argument usually weakens the position.

 

Dave

 


Edited by bridge8989 - 1/4/11 at 5:00pm
post #6 of 54
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Originally Posted by JerryLove View Post

Quote:

Originally Posted by myinitialsaredac View Post

Are you just trolling or have you tried it?

 

I would say if you have not tried it; telling someone they are not experiencing what they say is a bit of an unsubstantiated ridiculous statement or a personal attack...

 

So you'd have no issue with me telling you that the aircraft flying over my house make less noise when I wear a blue shirt than when I wear other colors?

 

As I have heard an airplane over my house I would disagree with you. However, if I lived in an area without any planes how could I say? While this seems odd, it is because I am arguing a fallacy. 

 

You are straw manning a little as there may be differences in cables and cables do interact with the current (there may not, but it is a topic for discussion). 

 

Going on this, if there are differences (play along, I am not saying either way) then they may change the AC sinewave (again they probably don't but play along) which in turn may affect something that uses AC power. (again I am in no way supporting this). 

 

Understanding sound to be pressure waves, and the color of ones shirt not necessarily interacting with them nor the ability to perceive sound, it is a different argument. Bar if your shirt was really large and had a hood then maybe...

 

@bridge8989

 

How can I believe either way in a conversation I know nothing about? If someone asked me do I think loop quantum gravity or string theory was the correct answer I would decline to provide an answer the same way I am doing now. 

 

What reasoning did I provide? I simply stated that it seems illogical to render a verdict or better yet to render someone's experiences as false when one does not have any experience in the topic. 

 

If you have no idea of how cables work (I can't say whether you do or not, nor am I alleging whether or not you do) then how can you draw a line for something that interacts with the cable? 
 

In my opinion this is one of the issues with this "argument". There are too many unsubstantiated opinions floating around for people to sift through. Those that truly want to provide evidence with some conviction either way probably decline to simply because of the use of fallacies and emotion rather than logic. 

 

Edit: To summarize, it is my opinion that people writing statements about anything to do with cables (and topics far beyond cables) should either: quote experience, discuss theory, discuss evidence. Without any of the three what is the point beyond trolling? 

 

Dave


Edited by myinitialsaredac - 1/4/11 at 5:38pm
post #7 of 54
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Originally Posted by myinitialsaredac View Post

I would say if you have not tried it; telling someone they are not experiencing what they say is a bit of an unsubstantiated ridiculous statement or a personal attack...

 

So you'd have no issue with me telling you that the aircraft flying over my house make less noise when I wear a blue shirt than when I wear other colors?

 

As I have heard an airplane over my house I would disagree with you. However, if I lived in an area without any planes how could I say? While this seems odd, it is because I am arguing a fallacy.

 

But you haven't heard planes over *my* house when *I* am wearing a blue shirt: so you don't know.

 

Perhaps the reason it seems odd has more to do with the ridiculousness of the claim than that it's presumed to be hypothetical?

 

In fact: the main reason you think it's a hypothetical rather than real claim is because you outright disbelieve it. I'm sure context plays in, but if I had said "my BMW is faster than my Toyota" I don't believe you would have labeled it as fallacious.

 

Sometimes one does not need to actually try something to dismiss it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

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You are straw manning a little as there may be differences in cables and cables do interact with the current (there may not, but it is a topic for discussion).

 

I don't believe I've responded to a position you didn't take.

post #8 of 54
That "you don't know if you haven't tried it" argument is pure logical fallacy.

If someone is claiming that the laws of physics, as understood today, are somehow waived by a power cord, they have a *substantial* burden of proof to demonstrate their claims.

If you want to argue that all opinions are valid, I've owned a Cardas cable and have listened to a few others. There was no difference. Can you reconcile those who hear a difference with those who don't? Before you answer, consider that the people who don't hear a difference include those who don't know what cable they're listening to.
post #9 of 54

I don't need to taste dog poop to know I won't like it :)

post #10 of 54
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Originally Posted by bridge8989 View Post

read the first Q/A

 

http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=faqs&content_id=3&pagestring=cable+use

 

this literally made me lol.  next step: hook up hospital equipment with cardas to heal patients??  the mere fact that whoever owns cardas has the nerves to post this on his "frequently asked question" section makes me hate his products.


Gold Jerry. Gold.

post #11 of 54

Exactly!

 

OP's article and comment is pure gold. Notice how the "answer" doesn't try to dispell the myth but is content to perpetuate it as it is to hopefully sell more cables. 
 

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post

That "you don't know if you haven't tried it" argument is pure logical fallacy.

If someone is claiming that the laws of physics, as understood today, are somehow waived by a power cord, they have a *substantial* burden of proof to demonstrate their claims.

If you want to argue that all opinions are valid, I've owned a Cardas cable and have listened to a few others. There was no difference. Can you reconcile those who hear a difference with those who don't? Before you answer, consider that the people who don't hear a difference include those who don't know what cable they're listening to.
post #12 of 54

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post #13 of 54
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post

That "you don't know if you haven't tried it" argument is pure logical fallacy.

If someone is claiming that the laws of physics, as understood today, are somehow waived by a power cord, they have a *substantial* burden of proof to demonstrate their claims.

If you want to argue that all opinions are valid, I've owned a Cardas cable and have listened to a few others. There was no difference. Can you reconcile those who hear a difference with those who don't? Before you answer, consider that the people who don't hear a difference include those who don't know what cable they're listening to.

 

"according to the map there is no tree there, so you can't have run into it". 

Please...... you know your statements don't make any logical sense.
 

post #14 of 54

From the Cardas site

 

"Golden Reference is just that, a "reference cable." It is designed for use in a reference room with no slap or sonic artifacts. Golden Reference has no euphonic character of its own. It is extremely resolute and forgives no sins in the room or system. I use Golden Reference in my reference system because it is technically the most accurate. If the purpose of your system is as a reference tool and your listening room is a "reference room", this is your choice. Golden Cross is a majestic sounding cable that works well in most normal listening rooms. It has a warm, involving character and is very "musical". For most musical enjoyment situations, it would be the preferred cable."

 

Any idea what is in the construction that makes the Reference neutral and the Cross warm, involving and musical? Can that be replicated with other cheaper cables?


Edited by Prog Rock Man - 1/9/11 at 11:52am
post #15 of 54

Gotta love it! That Cardas site is really fun to read!

Getta load of this:

Quote:Cable Break-In

Q.) I have all tube electronics and don't want to leave my system unattended while I burn in the interconnects. Do I need to have everything on and playing music to burn in my new cables? - Nordoff

A.) Only the originating end needs to have signal. The cable will break in even if the terminating unit is off. To break-in the cable it needs two things, signal and stability - it should not be moved. -George

Unquote

 

New frontiers in electronics dept., I guess....'breaking in' a cable by applying 'signal' to a cable that is open circuit....

 

Anyhow, since the Cardas cables all have to 'relax', I know they wouldn't be happy in my house - what with all my stress-inducing scepticism around, the Cardas products would never be able to relax.

Gotta run- on Sundays I change the magic rocks from the red speaker terminals to the blacks......

;-)

 

John

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