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Need something like the Turbine Pro Gold minus fit issues!

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I recently picked up the Monster Turbine Pro Gold on sale from Best Buy (yay for Boxing Week!), and I was extremely impressed not only with their sound but also with the exceptional quality of construction.

 

The one problem I had with them was fit. I couldn't get any kind of a seal with any of the so-called Super Tips, as they were so stiff they would just sit in the outer part of my ear canal, stubbornly refusing to enter any deeper despite my brute force attempts and even my best cajoling. My experience with the silicon tips wasn't much better, partly because the earphones have such a large diameter and therefore make fit tricky, but mostly because the large-ish strain reliefs and/or the short housings kept me from pushing them in far enough to get a good seal. All I know is I couldn't get a reliable seal with any of the tips except for the triple flanges, and even then, only if I wore the 'phones with the cords over my ears, because otherwise I couldn't get them deep enough.

 

However, the sound was beautiful! I mean, it was pretty darn good, at least to my admittedly inexperienced and slightly naive ears. In fact, since hearing those, I can no longer stand the stuffy congested HD 228 that I've been ho-humming it up with for the last thousand years (in audio addict years, that is), what with their mushy, fluffy, almost one-note bass and boarderline cringe-inducing "highs" (if they can be called that). The MTPG just have a wonderfully natural, well-heeled, effortless sound to them that lets you actually hear individual instruments yet, critically, retains a musical, euphonic character. When plugged into my S9, no equalization or BBE or MP Enhance or any other of the usual "compensations" were necessary. The only thing they made me want to do was re-rip all my music in FLAC to fully take advantage of their revealing yet musical nature. 192 kbps MP3's that used to sound perfectly passable on my (now detested) HD 228 suddenly sounded entirely inadequate. And it wasn't that the headphones made medium-quality MP3's sound bad, it's that they made them sound just "meh", and begged for something better. Which, I suppose, is what you'd expect from a headphone whose packaging says "For Serious Audiophiles And Audio Professionals Only". It's a warning to anyone whose music is encoded in anything less than 320 kbps that these headphones are just going to complicate their lives. ("Great, now I have to re-rip my whole music collection! D@&# you, decent headphones!")

 

Anyway, because of the nagging, ever-present compatibility issues I experienced with these otherwise gorgeous and lovely and lovable and flaunt-able and eminently listenable earphones, I ended up dumping them after just a few days. I miss them already, and it's only been two days without them, but alas we just weren't meant to be together! Yes, my sweet little Monster, I will miss you. And yes, our time together will be looked back on fondly for years to come, but I'm afraid I have to let you go. Goodbye, my beautiful yet hopelessly incompatible mate! *Forcefully shakes head.* Sorry, what was I talking about? Oh yes, gir--headphones! Ummm... yeah, so I guess I'll just get to the point....

 

What I so desperately desire is a pair of IEM's that matches the outstanding construction of the MTPG, and has the definition and the musical character, but will FIT IN MY EARS! (Comfortably, preferably.)

 

I've looked at the teensy Klipsch X5 or X10 as a possible answer to the Turbine's bulky fit while keeping roughly equivalent (perhaps better?) audio quality, but they're pretty darn fragile from everything I've heard, so that pretty much disqualifies them as options.

 

I've also looked at the Monster Miles Davis Tribute headphones, as they appear ever-so-slightly more slender and longer in the earpieces than their little brothers, and (more significantly) they have a truly impressive selection of ear tips included, so... something is bound to fit... right? Trouble is this: they're not in stock at any brick and mortar store for me to pick up, try out, and easily take back; they're very pricey; they're Monster (yeah, despite my brief love affair with those Turbines, I still have a hard time buying from a company that carved out a niche for itself selling outrageously overpriced cables); and they're even more vivaciously styled than the MTPG.

 

I've also recently discovered the Panasonic HJE900, which look to be comparable in build quality and even nicer (certainly more tasteful) in design compared to the Turbine Pros. I've read good things about the Pannies here on Head-Fi and over on ABI, but the consensus seems to be that while they have fantastic sound quality, they can be a bit too harsh for anything louder than quiet listening.

 

I need advice! Thoughts on the Pannies? The Miles Davis? Klipsch? Other options?

 

P.S. Keep in mind, I listen to a wide range of music from hip-hip to classical, but primarily rock, alternative, and metal. As such, while all-around performance is critical, I have certain rock-related needs. I need bass quitar to knock my socks off, and kick drums to kick me in the chest. (Which means I need strong bass, but that entails a modest emphasis in the bass, with bass definition and low-end instrument separation taking priority... no mushy booming bass bloat, thank you very much!) I need guitar solos to soar. I need vocals to sound clear and natural, and I need cymbals to crash and sparkle. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi! You're my only hope! (What? Too much?)

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He he , nice entertaining read, i would give the hje900 a go if i was you, they excel at rock music with there raunchy electric guitar reproduction and bass timbre is much better on the 900s than on the golds .I have been using the golds over the holidays and i think i actually like them better than the coppers the golds sound more natural to me and do have a very nice midrange and treble with lots of sparkle and very good clarity ,behind which they throw up a solid wall of bass , but that bass dose not have a lot of detail in it ,its hard to pick out individual bass notes or to separate bass guitar from bass drum on nine out of every ten songs,The hje900 do this much better in my opinion and while they are a little harsh or sibilant in the treble at first this smooths out nicely after a 100 hrs or so ,they are also a very good all rounder for most types of music.happy_face1.gif

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I have no fit problems with the Monsters, but I hear the Hippo VB are smaller and you can probably acheive a good fit with them, and the Bass slams, the mids are good and the treble is there, without much sibilance. I have a pair coming, but after much research, these will probably be a welcome addition to my growing aresenal of IEM's. I hear good things about the Pana's also, but Amazon does not carry them anymore, and I don't know who else has them?


Edited by ZV3 - 1/1/11 at 10:13am
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Buy the Monsters again.

 

Then, purchase a few sets of eartips from all the other companies (Sony, UE, Auvio, Audeo PFE, MeElectronics, etc.) that make eartips which fit the Monsters.

 

Try each of these tips on the Monsters, carefully reading the user guide that comes with the earphones and applying the instructions on how to achive a proper fit.

 

After finding the right eartips for you, enjoy music.

 

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Originally Posted by lucozade View Post

He he , nice entertaining read, i would give the hje900 a go if i was you, they excel at rock music with there raunchy electric guitar reproduction and bass timbre is much better on the 900s than on the golds .I have been using the golds over the holidays and i think i actually like them better than the coppers the golds sound more natural to me and do have a very nice midrange and treble with lots of sparkle and very good clarity ,behind which they throw up a solid wall of bass , but that bass dose not have a lot of detail in it ,its hard to pick out individual bass notes or to separate bass guitar from bass drum on nine out of every ten songs,The hje900 do this much better in my opinion and while they are a little harsh or sibilant in the treble at first this smooths out nicely after a 100 hrs or so ,they are also a very good all rounder for most types of music.happy_face1.gif


It's interesting that you prefer the Golds over the Coppers; that makes me feel better about not getting to try out the Coppers. Have you by any chance gotten to try out the Miles Davis Tribute? I hear they're similar to the Coppers, having the same drivers and technology but just tuned differently, and that they're more musical and less precision-oriented, with sweeter, forward-sounding mids. Now, that doesn't sound like a headphone tuned for rock, but more for jazz (surprise, surprise!)... although I think the requirements are fairly similar for the two types of music. What that suggests to me is that they would do just fine for rock and for most or all of my music, but would maybe not excel where I would want them to. I would be fine with that if I could get them for a decent price and if they fit my ears comfortably, but the former especially seems unlikely.

 

I agree with a lot of what you're saying about the Golds' bass. It's solid, but not especially detailed. But, it sure sounded it a lot better than what I have currently! Still, I did crave more definition and easier instrument separation in the low end. I wouldn't say it was hard to pick out bass guitar from bass drum, but it did take paying attention, and that's not something I want to be doing when listening to music. I want the music to come to me, not the other way around!

 

What you're saying about the Pannies sounds promising, although my ears can be sensitive to certain types of sibilance. But if it's true that that aspect of their sound is tamed with burn-in, then maybe, just maybe, they'd be perfect for me! Problem is finding them, and for a cheap price. I would be willing to pay regular price at a brick and mortar store because I know that I could just drive over and return them if they don't work for me. But nobody has them, so the only option is to look for a well-priced used pair online (ewwww, second-hand earbuds!wink_face.gif) so that even if I'm not crazy about them I can live with my purchase because I didn't spend too much.
 

 

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Originally Posted by ZV3 View Post

I have no fit problems with the Monsters, but I hear the Hippo VB are smaller and you can probably acheive a good fit with them, and the Bass slams, the mids are good and the treble is there, without much sibilance. I have a pair coming, but after much research, these will probably be a welcome addition to my growing aresenal of IEM's. I hear good things about the Pana's also, but Amazon does not carry them anymore, and I don't know who else has them?


Hmmm... I've never heard of Hippo until now. I'll look into them.


 

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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

Buy the Monsters again.

 

Then, purchase a few sets of eartips from all the other companies (Sony, UE, Auvio, Audeo PFE, MeElectronics, etc.) that make eartips which fit the Monsters.

 

Try each of these tips on the Monsters, carefully reading the user guide that comes with the earphones and applying the instructions on how to achive a proper fit.

 

After finding the right eartips for you, enjoy music.

 


Believe me, I've considered it! biggrin.gif But, that's a lot of hassle to go through for a headphone I'm not sure will fit me anyway.

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@ applaudio , No sorry i have not heard the monster miles davis tribute myself , i thought about getting them at one point but decided that having two monster iem's i did'nt really need a third . From what i have heard the miles davis sound sigature is somewhere in between the golds and coppers, i suggest you ask my buddy ericp10 how they sound in relation to the copper as he has had both .

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So, I decided I'd skip IEM's and get some circumaural headphones instead. I picked up the Shure SRH-750DJ, and they're fantastic directly from my Cowon S9! Only problem is the bulk, but I'm already getting used to it. Even the heavy coiled cable doesn't bother me so much anymore. I still may buy some good IEM's in the future, but for the foreseeable future at least, these cans will more than suffice! I can even wear them in public without looking like a total dork, unlike some other headphones that have all the fashion sense of fluffy earmuffs. I tried the HD 438 as well, but they just aren't lively enough for my taste. Typical Sennheiser, I suppose. The HD 228 seem to be the exception to the rule, and even then only after performing the astroid mod to de-muddy the sound a bit. After that they're decently fun, lively cans. But I digest....

The point is: thanks for your help, everyone who replied, but ultimately your advice was basically pointless.

 

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