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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Recently I got a Meridian 596 player to be used with my speaker setup, since I was tired of having to connect, turn on, then play music from my Macbook. I also like the idea of actually having a physical copy rather than some file on a computer. 

 

Besides having a physical copy it would nice to have my digital music files on cd as a backup. But I do have some lingering questions about CD longevity as well as quality compared to lossless media. 

 

1) Gold CD's made by companies like MAM-A, are do they sound better from there silver counter parts and other less expensive brands? 

 

2) If there is a diffrence in sound quality is it worth the steep premium by getting Gold disk? 

 

3) At what point do CD's degrade so much that there is an audible difference, or is a more gradual decay of quality? 

post #2 of 16

I don't know...I have some CD's that I found that I have had since at least 1997 and I popped them in my computer and listened to them...they sound just as good as the CD's I got this year for Christmas. These are just standard nothing special CD's.

post #3 of 16

CDs I purchased in the early 80's show no sign of deterioration.

post #4 of 16

I remember reading about CD manufacturing defects. This was back in the early '90s. Just like any digital storage medium, they will eventually deteriorate. Digital tapes have the longest life, according to experts.


Edited by wuwhere - 12/30/10 at 6:56pm
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CDs I purchased in the early 80's show no sign of deterioration.



Same here...but why spend money on those fancy CD-R's when you can buy a 1 TB hard drive for $100? Buy 2 and backup your backup.

post #6 of 16

I think a lot of these notions get started the same way as a lot of, shall we say, "debatable" audiophile "remedies." Theoretically possible + infinite equipment configurations = empirically impossible to completely disprove. Therefore, even if it also equals empirically impossible to prove, there will always be hoards of people willing to put forward their personal anecdotes as evidence. These are usually people who just spent hundreds of dollars on exotic cables and whatnot and are thus biased in the direction of justifying their purchase. This is called confirmation bias, BTW. In our society, it seems, scientifically measurable = easily perceived, even if double blind testing doesn't back that up.

 

For the record, data is data. You could make a CD out of bloody Kryptonite and it wouldn't sound any different. On paper, yes, the gold will have different reflective qualities than a standard CD. But I'd be willing to bet my headphone collection that, in a double blind test, nobody on the planet could perceive a clearly audible difference and reliably identify the gold disc, all other things being equal. 1s and 0s aren't affected by the material they're encoded on, nor the material through which they pass. Either the data makes it through, or it doesn't. The DAC is where the most variability will occur, apart from your amp and headphones/speakers, of course.

 

CDR's do degrade, but it takes years. Some tips are to keep them out of direct sunlight and in climate-controlled conditions. Believe it or not they can warp and it changes the sound ever so slightly. I know this because I happened to be unfortunate enough to damage an original disc I had such that part of a long track skipped. I had made a copy of that track on another disc, and it, too, got messed up. Luckily, it skipped in a different place. I figured I'd just splice the two good parts together with a DAW. Though I'm sure both versions of the track started out identical, the copy (stored and handled poorly) was actually slightly longer than the original (by a fraction of a second), and thus when played in unison the tracks were phase-shifted.

post #7 of 16

I have a lot of CDs that are well over a decade old and many seem perfect. I've found a few that have begun to deteriorate (look like splotches of tarnish under the plastic).

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For the record, data is data.

 

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1s and 0s aren't affected by the material they're encoded on, nor the material through which they pass. Either the data makes it through, or it doesn't.

Well if we're talking about Red Book, then that's wrong. Red Book is analogue. There are no 1s and 0s, and there is no means of data checking. So in theory gold CDs can sound better, but I agree on the fact that many many people wouldn't be able to tell the difference... including me.

 

In the case of a data CD, you're right though. Data CDs contain digital files, and these either play or they do not.


Edited by salannelson - 12/31/10 at 12:57pm
post #9 of 16

^ Red book...analogue?  Since when?  The DAC is what makes it possible for us to hear what's on a CD, but they are very much digital.

 

Gold CDs are a joke.  1s and 0s are the same, no matter the material they're pressed on.  The fact they sound different might be a different mastering but there should be no difference simply based on the material used.

post #10 of 16
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^ Red book...analogue?  Since when?  The DAC is what makes it possible for us to hear what's on a CD, but they are very much digital.

 

Gold CDs are a joke.  1s and 0s are the same, no matter the material they're pressed on.  The fact they sound different might be a different mastering but there should be no difference simply based on the material used.


Well when you compare it to a data CD, red book isn't truly digital, am I right? If it were digital, you wouldn't have to rip the songs, you'd be able to "copy them" perfectly every time. There would be actual data files on the disk.

post #11 of 16

Red Book is digital, look here for a tutorial.......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(CD_standard) 

post #12 of 16

Nevermind I'm getting things mixed up, sorry.

post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 

So if Im getting this right Gold CD's may make a difference, but even if it does it may not even be audible. The gold disc may last longer, but it seems redbook last for a while as well. I could back-up everything on a HDD but even those fail eventually, But I guess it would be more cost effective given the prices for those fancy disc. And from what Im getting here cd's generally either fail over a short time till it effects audio quality, rather than gradually since they are digital?   

post #14 of 16

The medium which data is stored on should not affect the sound at all.  I used to keep hard drive and optical disc backups but with 100gb of music on my system, burning all those CDs would be impractical.  DVD9 discs or blu-ray recordable might be worth it, but I'm not entirely confidant in the long term viability of recordable discs.  Instead I have several copies of my media on hard drives.  Ideally you should have a backup located somewhere other than your home in case of theft, fire, whatever.

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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post

For the record, data is data.

 

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Originally Posted by Argyris View Post
1s and 0s aren't affected by the material they're encoded on, nor the material through which they pass. Either the data makes it through, or it doesn't.

Well if we're talking about Red Book, then that's wrong. Red Book is analogue. There are no 1s and 0s, and there is no means of data checking. So in theory gold CDs can sound better, but I agree on the fact that many many people wouldn't be able to tell the difference... including me.

 

In the case of a data CD, you're right though. Data CDs contain digital files, and these either play or they do not.

 

 It certainly is not.  Its ALL 1's and 0's.  Please look here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_%28CD_standard%29

 

EDIT: Please see the Encoding section...even gives you the word length (16-bit)

 

How in the world do you think your computer plays CD's?  My Lord...

 


Edited by Trogdor - 1/1/11 at 12:24pm
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