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Amping the HD650 with the Fiio e7

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

I currently own the HD595 and HD650.

 

I opened the HD650 out of the box yesterday and have been burning them in for about 30 hours.

 

I currently have both hooked up to the Fiio E7 through USB DAC and they sound very similar to me.

 

My question is:

 

1. Is the amp good enough to power the HD650? (It states 300 ohm on the box)
 

2. Or is it the fact it hasn't burned in enough that it doesn't sound better than the 595s?

post #2 of 22

The fact that it's underamped is the reason it sounds the same as the 595's.  

post #3 of 22
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The fact that it's underamped is the reason it sounds the same as the 595's.  


 

So what would you recommend?

post #4 of 22

Buy an amp.  I'm really not much of an expert on amping the hd650, so you should search for threads related to that.  

post #5 of 22

Edit: Removed inflammatory post. Carry on. ph34r.gif


Edited by olor1n - 12/30/10 at 2:30am
post #6 of 22

e9 would be the easiest upgrade for you to provide enough juice for the 650. Whether that is the ideal matching, I don't know...

post #7 of 22

I'm in a similar situation as you: I have the 595s and the E7/E9, but want to upgrade to the 650. If I have the 595s, is it worth it to upgrade to the 650? What are you planning on doing with your 595s? Was there a big difference between these two cans?

post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by senndroid View Post

I'm in a similar situation as you: I have the 595s and the E7/E9, but want to upgrade to the 650. If I have the 595s, is it worth it to upgrade to the 650? What are you planning on doing with your 595s? Was there a big difference between these two cans?



Hey senndroid,

 

I decided that the HD650 wasn't worth it for me.  The E7/E9 isn't powerful enough for them, and I don't want to invest a lot more for the already expensive HD650.

 

I have returned the HD650 to Amazon today, and am keeping the HD595 and Fiio E7.  The HD595 with E7 sounds great to me, and I don't find it necessary to invest A LOT more money for a bit of improvement.

 

Let me know what your thoughts are.

post #9 of 22

Who said the e9 isn't powerful enough for the hd650?  I'm not contradicting that I'm just curious.  Most people say that the e9 drives more demanding cans than the hd650 quite well.  

post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by senndroid View Post

I'm in a similar situation as you: I have the 595s and the E7/E9, but want to upgrade to the 650. If I have the 595s, is it worth it to upgrade to the 650? What are you planning on doing with your 595s? Was there a big difference between these two cans?



Hey senndroid,

 

I decided that the HD650 wasn't worth it for me.  The E7/E9 isn't powerful enough for them, and I don't want to invest a lot more for the already expensive HD650.

 

I have returned the HD650 to Amazon today, and am keeping the HD595 and Fiio E7.  The HD595 with E7 sounds great to me, and I don't find it necessary to invest A LOT more money for a bit of improvement.

 

Let me know what your thoughts are.


Riiiiiight. Pure nonsense.
post #11 of 22

Should've given the E9 a chance dude. There are members here with that combo (eg disastermouse) who have raved about it.

post #12 of 22

Hmm, I would imagine the E7/E9 is powerful enough--it puts 80 milliwatts into 600 ohms...that would probably blow the cans off of your head. However, I understand you wanting to stick with the 595 / E7...I was in that setup for awhile (I have the E9 now additionally), and it's a really lovely sound. I really enjoy Sennheiser's signature, and have never minded the modest low end, or "veiled" treble people gripe about (maybe my ears aren't good enough...). I'm just quite fond of the darker color of the sound, the clarity in the mids, and the soundstage.

 

I'm going to buy the 650s in the next couple of days, just trying to find the best price. I will use the 595s as a piano phone (for my yamaha electric piano), and the 650s will be my primary at-home can. I'll let you know what I think.
 

Also, maybe ignore everyone bashing you, RE: your comment about the E9 not having enough power to drive the 650s. It's okay to learn in the forums, that's what I'm doing (this is a new hobby for me). Ideally, you would be able to learn about gear without people telling you that what you're saying is 'nonsense.' But heck, what do I know, I'm still a junior head-fier.

 

 

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Originally Posted by senndroid View Post

I'm in a similar situation as you: I have the 595s and the E7/E9, but want to upgrade to the 650. If I have the 595s, is it worth it to upgrade to the 650? What are you planning on doing with your 595s? Was there a big difference between these two cans?



Hey senndroid,

 

I decided that the HD650 wasn't worth it for me.  The E7/E9 isn't powerful enough for them, and I don't want to invest a lot more for the already expensive HD650.

 

I have returned the HD650 to Amazon today, and am keeping the HD595 and Fiio E7.  The HD595 with E7 sounds great to me, and I don't find it necessary to invest A LOT more money for a bit of improvement.

 

Let me know what your thoughts are.

post #13 of 22

Sorry about not being more descriptive in my last post. I can't post certain letters on the only browser that allows me to post on my phone (weird).

 

What I mean by nonsense, is that the E9 has enough power to drive practically any conventional headphones. EddieE has PREFERRED the sound of the E9 with the 600ohm T1, over his Cantante 2 (worth multiple times more than the E9). I and a few other people have paired the E9 up with some hard to drive cans like the K701, HD600, HD650, DT770/880/990 600ohm variants all with great results.

 

To say the E9 can't fully drive the HD650 is just a ridiculous statement. Whether you LIKE the transparency of the E9 with the HD650 over other amps that color the sound is the question.

 

I certainly didn't like the innate sound signature of the K701, but it was my personal preference, and not because the E9 lacked the drive to power them.

 

The misconception around here seems to be that if an amp doesn't give certain headphones a sound the user doesn't like, it must not be driving them well, which is simply not true. In that case, people's preference are certain amp's signatures imposing themselves on top of their headphones.

 

The E9 is pretty true to the source and headphones, so if you don't like the HD650's innate sound, you won't like it with the E9.


Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 12/31/10 at 5:26am
post #14 of 22

Well some people have trouble with the concept of  cheap but good stuff.
 

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Sorry about not being more descriptive in my last post. I can't post certain letters on the only browser that allows me to post on my phone (weird).

 

What I mean by nonsense, is that the E9 has enough power to drive practically any conventional headphones. EddieE has PREFERRED the sound of the E9 with the 600ohm T1, over his Cantante 2 (worth multiple times more than the E9). I and a few other people have paired the E9 up with some hard to drive cans like the K701, HD600, HD650, DT770/880/990 600ohm variants all with great results.

 

To say the E9 can't fully drive the HD650 is just a ridiculous statement. Whether you LIKE the transparency of the E9 with the HD650 over other amps that color the sound is the question.

 

I certainly didn't like the innate sound signature of the K701, but it was my personal preference, and not because the E9 lacked the drive to power them.

 

The misconception around here seems to be that if an amp doesn't give certain headphones a sound the user doesn't like, it must not be driving them well, which is simply not true. In that case, people's preference are certain amp's signatures imposing themselves on top of their headphones.

 

The E9 is pretty true to the source and headphones, so if you don't like the HD650's innate sound, you won't like it with the E9.

post #15 of 22

I personally have problems with the concept of there being any worthwhile differences between lower end amps and amps that cost more than $500.  

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