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post #9346 of 18524
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Originally Posted by gefski View Post

"Solution" to what?

Am I remembering correctly that you have a quality dac and amp? If I stuck any "black box" between my dac and amp, then I would need a "solution".

No offense intended, in all things hi-fi, it's the K.I.S.S. method for me.

IMHO of course.

No offense taken
Maybe solution isn't the right word
Some folks have commented on how they've used equalization from time to time and wondered how .
Up until recently I'd never considered using an equalizer but the hifiman headphones I just got seem a bit aggressive on top, would like to be able to tame that a bit if possible , maybe the He-4's aren't quite for my taste, I'd never considered an equalizer with my grados
post #9347 of 18524
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post

No offense taken
Maybe solution isn't the right word
Some folks have commented on how they've used equalization from time to time and wondered how .
Up until recently I'd never considered using an equalizer but the hifiman headphones I just got seem a bit aggressive on top, would like to be able to tame that a bit if possible , maybe the He-4's aren't quite for my taste, I'd never considered an equalizer with my grados

Any transducer, cans or speakers, that I would have to significantly change the personality of, I get rid of. You put it perfectly -- "maybe...aren't quite for my taste".
post #9348 of 18524
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post


No offense taken
Maybe solution isn't the right word
Some folks have commented on how they've used equalization from time to time and wondered how .
Up until recently I'd never considered using an equalizer but the hifiman headphones I just got seem a bit aggressive on top, would like to be able to tame that a bit if possible , maybe the He-4's aren't quite for my taste, I'd never considered an equalizer with my grados

 

I think you are on the right track.  Using EQ can be much more effective, and cheaper, than trying to find equipment to match your sonic preference.  I'm in the same boat, but I am also holding off on a hardware EQ, since a majority of my listening is with JRiver.  Most of my non-pc listening is usually with pretty well mastered material, and I don't think I need EQ anyway, especially once I get the BDP-105.

 

I have not heard the HE-4's, but I have read impressions regarding the treble, which is why I went with the 5-LE's.

post #9349 of 18524
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post
 

 

I think you are on the right track.  Using EQ can be much more effective, and cheaper, than trying to find equipment to match your sonic preference.  I'm in the same boat, but I am also holding off on a hardware EQ, since a majority of my listening is with JRiver.  Most of my non-pc listening is usually with pretty well mastered material, and I don't think I need EQ anyway, especially once I get the BDP-105.

 

I have not heard the HE-4's, but I have read impressions regarding the treble, which is why I went with the 5-LE's.

 

I've utilized an external ADC EQ before.  There are a lot of them out their in the market as they are a 15+ year-old item.  I just couldn't believe how just adding that EQ into the sound chain just trounced on the sound.  While having the ability to tweak the sound can be a benefit, adding in the EQ was a step backwards.  Lots of others will always recommend the parametric EQ, but there are some other options.  I have the Squeezebox players in my house, so I have the option to use an EQ as a plug-in for the software.  It's not a parametric EQ, but it's a bit more hybrid -- between the standard EQ and a parametric.  Plus, you can configure the software EQ for how many bands you want to use.  This option also supports streaming Internet music, too.  Those options are also available as plug-ins for the Squeezebox software, making the opportunity to EQ your streaming music, too.

 

The HE-4 vs. the HE-5LE.  A few of us have owned both, tend to agree that the top-end of the HE-4 is awfully like the HE-5LE.  It is in the bass where the HE-4 steps back a bit from the HE-5LE.  In fact, the HE-4 being discussed here was actually purchased by me originally (new) a bit earlier this year.


Edited by wje - 9/14/13 at 8:11am
post #9350 of 18524
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Originally Posted by wje View Post
 

 

I've utilized an external ADC EQ before.  There are a lot of them out their in the market as they are a 15+ year-old item.  I just couldn't believe how just adding that EQ into the sound chain just trounced on the sound.  While having the ability to tweak the sound can be a benefit, adding in the EQ was a step backwards.  Lots of others will always recommend the parametric EQ, but there are some other options.  I have the Squeezebox players in my house, so I have the option to use an EQ as a plug-in for the software.  It's not a parametric EQ, but it's a bit more hybrid -- between the standard EQ and a parametric.  Plus, you can configure the software EQ for how many bands you want to use.  This option also supports streaming Internet music, too.  Those options are also available as plug-ins for the Squeezebox software, making the opportunity to EQ your streaming music, too.

 

The HE-4 vs. the HE-5LE.  A few of us have owned both, tend to agree that the top-end of the HE-4 is awfully like the HE-5LE.  It is in the bass where the HE-4 steps back a bit from the HE-5LE.  In fact, the HE-4 being discussed here was actually purchased by me originally (new) a bit earlier this year.

 

+1  EQ is a science and an art, and there are so many permutations and variations that they can certainly cause more damage than solve problems.  I've been dealing with pro-audio EQ since about 1977, which is a totally different beast than headphone EQ.  I live and die with parametric EQ on my pro bass rig- I cannot imagine gigging without it

 

However, once I have time I intend to spend A LOT of time with EQ on my various headphones.  Taming treble bumps and smoothing bass are my primary targets. With my Grado's, I want to lower the bass bump to about 50 Hz, and roll-off that darn treble between 4000 and 7000 Hz

post #9351 of 18524
EQ is not the devil

It can be very useful and help with ringing, harmonics and slight unpleasant bumps, which ALL headphones can have to some listeners

I sometimes EQ and sometimes don't but either way it's fun to play with. Software EQ is the best for home but either way, have fun!
post #9352 of 18524

regarding eq, i thought maybe i'd try a used unit off of ebay, i might could find one that has a pass through, or bypass circuit

that wouldn't degrade the signal too much when using jriver

post #9353 of 18524
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Originally Posted by gefski View Post


Any transducer, cans or speakers, that I would have to significantly change the personality of, I get rid of. You put it perfectly -- "maybe...aren't quite for my taste".

I couldn't agree more with you!!  The phones need to sound good...period! Then if the recording has a problem, I might equalize that, but not the other way around.

post #9354 of 18524
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post
 

I couldn't agree more with you!!  The phones need to sound good...period! Then if the recording has a problem, I might equalize that, but not the other way around.

 

Eh.  We have a different take, but that is what's so cool about headphones!  I am very comfortable with EQ, and enjoy the challenge.  But I certainly wouldn't argue the point.

post #9355 of 18524

listening to Hendrix on my Sonos All along the Watchtower from The Essential Jimi Hendrix Vol. 1 & 2 with Jay's g3 amp and my 225. It sounds so good. Thanks Jay!

 

I don't listen to a computer. I listen to a speaker system that has a Sonos attached. I stream some music on Sonos through a music service, but mostly listen to my CD collection ripped into Lossless stored on a NAS.

 

With Sonos, I can access my entire CD collection (about 8,000 tracks currently) in any room in my house that I have Sonos speakers and through my main speaker rig. It's not true audiophile quality, but with a decent DAC through good speakers sounds quite good to me. And, the convenience factor of not having to get a CD, put it in a CDP or even fool with a computer and hear the music in multiple rooms is killer. I didn't "get it", till I had it. Trust me-it's addictive.

 

 I've made a bunch of playlsts-rock, classical and jazz, alternative, metal, etc. I can use a controller on my PC or whip out my cell and use it as a controller. The interface is silly easy to use. I could use it with one eye, completely schiitfaced...pun intended. I'm not now in case your wondering.

 

I just bought a new Rotel RA integrated amp with a built-in Wolfson WM8740 DAC that  supports files up to 24-bit/192kHz. If I listen to a CD then I can access the Rotel's DAC. In fact it probably upgrades my CDP DAC, And if Sonos plays through the speakers, I access the same DAC.

 

 However when listening through my Sonos connect through a HP amp, I'm unable to take advantage of the Rotel's DAC. I have to listen through the Sonos DAC (Sonos-amp-HP). I cut the amp out of the picture.

 

I'm curious if I added a Bifrost to my Sonos HP rig, how much better it would sound? Kind of a luxury-it would be an expense that I would only really need when listening to Sonos through HPs...... hmmmm. There's just no way to compare listening straight through my Sonos DAC vs a separate DAC.

 

if anyone has a similar set up and uses a Bifrost or something comparable, I would kill for some feedback. No, I wouldn't kill, but I would be grateful :happy_face1:

 

NTL, Hendrix sounds sweet just thru the mediocre Sonos DAC, Jay's g3 and my 225i.

 

Wait, wait, wait, got my Sonos "new music" playlist and yes-Pink Floyd's Animals (well, it's new to me) remastered 2011-"Sheep"-just aweseomeness.


Edited by markm1 - 9/14/13 at 3:35pm
post #9356 of 18524

^^ Hendrix & Grado's ^^.........Is like Bread & Butter  :-)

post #9357 of 18524
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post
 

regarding eq, i thought maybe i'd try a used unit off of ebay, i might could find one that has a pass through, or bypass circuit

that wouldn't degrade the signal too much when using jriver

 

I still think this is a stretch of an assumption.  In my case, the ADC just muddied up the sound and veiled things.  My experience wasn't good.

post #9358 of 18524
Hello all! Haven't got my replacement part from Grado yet, it's on it's wayyyyyy! For the past few days I'm using my XBA-4... The result was... Sad redface.gif

This morning when I woke up, I PULLED THE TRIGGER and listen to my Grado xD of corse, I use my hand for support :P missed it too much.. Can't help xD
post #9359 of 18524

Is there a can as revealing as the 325, or as good at reproducing electric guitar? Serious question, because I haven't heard one, even in the $1000+ range.

post #9360 of 18524
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Originally Posted by White_Noise View Post
 

Is there a can as revealing as the 325, or as good at reproducing electric guitar? Serious question, because I haven't heard one, even in the $1000+ range.

 

RS1! 

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