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post #8206 of 24306
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

 

Oh wow, that's a beautiful piece of gear...Joe Grado is one heck of an interesting gent!

He can pull off wearing leather braces (suspenders) beerchug.gif

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #8207 of 24306
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post

 

 

       that's why I keep checking in here, and actually this thread is a big reason I bought Grado's to begin with, although I was lurking back then.

 

       I notice a lot of little dot love, but what about some of the Schiit amps?  Any recent impressions?

I purchased both the LD1+ and the Schiit Magni/Modi combo, specifically for my 325's but need to spend more time with both amps. I use the Modi (dac) with both amps, and must say the detail from both amps with the Modi is great! I found my 325's to be a bit bloated in the low end removing the detail and higher frequencies listening through an Adcom GFP-710 pre-amp and Meridian203 (dac), this was the reason I bought the headphone amps and Modi. For the little time I have spent with these two amps/dac, they are both sounding very, very nice to me. I now hear all of the micro details with the 325's through both amps/dac, that I was missing from my other sources. I can not yet draw a conclusion to as which one I prefer because the LD1+ needs more time for the tubes to burn in, but I can say that the Magni amp has a tighter (slam) to the bass and more forward midrange and brighter highs to me, so I may be leaning toward the Shiit for now because this is what I was looking for for my 325's. But I'm waiting for a more forward sounding tube set to arrive from Russia for the LD I've never heard any other tubes with the LD, and I purchased it with upgraded 6AK5W tubes in it instead of the stock tubes, which most people recommend changing any way. The Shiit makes the 325's sound more alive (fun) to listen to which is what I prefer, where as the LD sounds more polite, any way there is nothing wrong with either of them, like I said I need more listening time and different tubes for the LD.   

Plus I'm not so sure I want to wait for tubes to burn for 20-100 hours before they reach their peak, I want to turn my amp on and listen to the music (which it is all about).


Edited by joseph69 - 7/20/13 at 6:09pm
post #8208 of 24306
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

I know this community loves the schitt gear, but yeah, seems like I haven't heard many impressions regarding how that line pairs with Grados either. I do know of a guy I correspond with from time to time over at Audio Circle who loves his RS1s with his Schiit amp, but it would definitely be interesting to hear more impressions from other Grado owners who went with Schiit. 

I went with Valhalla for the RS1i (even though I think Asgard is way more versatile) just to continue the all tube "rut" I've kept myself in with my speaker amps and preamps for years. It's very revealing and textured, what I love with tubes. No problems at all driving the Grados. The only ss amp in use for me now is the Stax SRM1 Mk2 Pro.

I was tempted when I recently saw a Mapletree for sale on Audiogon, but decided it would be ridiculous to do that while in the middle of Bifrost Dac upgrades. Have heard only good about Mapletree/Grado though.
post #8209 of 24306
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Have heard only good about Mapletree/Grado though.

With all dynamic cans really. The MADs are voiced on HD650s.

Dr. P makes a very fine product, especially if you like the DIY aesthetic....

post #8210 of 24306
All right. I'm glad I could try the 225i, but I'm not going to keep it.

I used it exclusively for some days to get used to its sound signature. Quarter-modding the flats gave me much better impact and bass compared to the bowls, and also a more comfortable fit. I used to think the HD558 feels non-existant on the head, but Grados are even lighter! The cable is uncomfortable though, I find it ridiculously thick.

The 225i's sound signature is so peculiar. It's very picky of recording. There are headphones that will sound good with almost every type of music; the 225i isn't one, for sure. And it's not a matter of genre. Even in the realm of rock songs, where Grados should feel right at home, some songs sound amazing, and others sound just wrong.

The 225i isn't harsh, nor sibilant. But I think it can be described as "shouty". To really make vocals shine, I have to crank up the volume to nearly-uncomfortable levels. With some recordings, I can find a sweet spot. With some others, the choice is between recessed vocals and outright pain. Ironically, at very low listening levels, vocals are the most prominent part of the spectrum! It's very difficult to fall asleep listening to the SR225i.

Bass is good. Fast, bouncy, powerful. But it's incomplete, and that's the biggest con of the 225i for me. I need some sub-bass, and that's severely lacking here, or I could just say it's not there at all. The difference with my Sennheisers is striking. The Grado may even have more midbass, and surely it's got more upfront vocals... but I feel like an important part of my music is completely missing. Also, the HD558 is faster than the SR225i, incredible as it may sound.

So there's really no contest for me. The SR225i is a fun headphone, and I could say it's excellent for its price... if I had never heard sub-bass, and if I didn't listen to a wide variety of genres. I see the appeal of Grados, but they're not what I'm looking for. And, they're outrageously overpriced in Europe. I'm lucky I got my 225i from a US seller.
post #8211 of 24306
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Originally Posted by egokun View Post

All right. I'm glad I could try the 225i, but I'm not going to keep it.

I used it exclusively for some days to get used to its sound signature. Quarter-modding the flats gave me much better impact and bass compared to the bowls, and also a more comfortable fit. I used to think the HD558 feels non-existant on the head, but Grados are even lighter! The cable is uncomfortable though, I find it ridiculously thick.

The 225i's sound signature is so peculiar. It's very picky of recording. There are headphones that will sound good with almost every type of music; the 225i isn't one, for sure. And it's not a matter of genre. Even in the realm of rock songs, where Grados should feel right at home, some songs sound amazing, and others sound just wrong.

The 225i isn't harsh, nor sibilant. But I think it can be described as "shouty". To really make vocals shine, I have to crank up the volume to nearly-uncomfortable levels. With some recordings, I can find a sweet spot. With some others, the choice is between recessed vocals and outright pain. Ironically, at very low listening levels, vocals are the most prominent part of the spectrum! It's very difficult to fall asleep listening to the SR225i.

Bass is good. Fast, bouncy, powerful. But it's incomplete, and that's the biggest con of the 225i for me. I need some sub-bass, and that's severely lacking here, or I could just say it's not there at all. The difference with my Sennheisers is striking. The Grado may even have more midbass, and surely it's got more upfront vocals... but I feel like an important part of my music is completely missing. Also, the HD558 is faster than the SR225i, incredible as it may sound.

So there's really no contest for me. The SR225i is a fun headphone, and I could say it's excellent for its price... if I had never heard sub-bass, and if I didn't listen to a wide variety of genres. I see the appeal of Grados, but they're not what I'm looking for. And, they're outrageously overpriced in Europe. I'm lucky I got my 225i from a US seller.

 

 

I really respect the way you wrote that. Certainly no headphone is for everyone, and I think the way you went about determining if the Grados were for you is very admirable. Grados definitely aren't going to provide much sub-bass at all, so I can understand why the Senns would be a better match for your preferences. 

post #8212 of 24306
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Originally Posted by gefski View Post


I went with Valhalla for the RS1i (even though I think Asgard is way more versatile) just to continue the all tube "rut" I've kept myself in with my speaker amps and preamps for years. It's very revealing and textured, what I love with tubes. No problems at all driving the Grados. The only ss amp in use for me now is the Stax SRM1 Mk2 Pro.

I was tempted when I recently saw a Mapletree for sale on Audiogon, but decided it would be ridiculous to do that while in the middle of Bifrost Dac upgrades. Have heard only good about Mapletree/Grado though.

 

Even though I'm not officially a customer yet, I have a ton of respect for Jason and the guys/gals at Schiit. I've had several email exchanges with them in the past and I know one day I'll pull the trigger on something of theirs. I really like the word "textured" in terms of describing the impact of tubes...that's one of the aspects about them that I enjoy as well. 

post #8213 of 24306
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

He can pull off wearing leather braces (suspenders) beerchug.gif

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL! That he can...

post #8214 of 24306
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

 

I really like the word "textured" in terms of describing the impact of tubes...that's one of the aspects about them that I enjoy as well. 

Back to the Mapletree/Grado thought: the "texture" of tube guitar amps though a great tube headphone amp is what I miss most after selling my MAD Super 2.

The Grado amp, while accurate, does not capture the tube "texture" like the MAD, especially with the NOS GE 5 Stars it was running.

"Texture" is a good description! beerchug.gif

post #8215 of 24306
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Originally Posted by egokun View Post

All right. I'm glad I could try the 225i, but I'm not going to keep it.

I used it exclusively for some days to get used to its sound signature. Quarter-modding the flats gave me much better impact and bass compared to the bowls, and also a more comfortable fit. I used to think the HD558 feels non-existant on the head, but Grados are even lighter! The cable is uncomfortable though, I find it ridiculously thick.

The 225i's sound signature is so peculiar. It's very picky of recording. There are headphones that will sound good with almost every type of music; the 225i isn't one, for sure. And it's not a matter of genre. Even in the realm of rock songs, where Grados should feel right at home, some songs sound amazing, and others sound just wrong.

The 225i isn't harsh, nor sibilant. But I think it can be described as "shouty". To really make vocals shine, I have to crank up the volume to nearly-uncomfortable levels. With some recordings, I can find a sweet spot. With some others, the choice is between recessed vocals and outright pain. Ironically, at very low listening levels, vocals are the most prominent part of the spectrum! It's very difficult to fall asleep listening to the SR225i.

Bass is good. Fast, bouncy, powerful. But it's incomplete, and that's the biggest con of the 225i for me. I need some sub-bass, and that's severely lacking here, or I could just say it's not there at all. The difference with my Sennheisers is striking. The Grado may even have more midbass, and surely it's got more upfront vocals... but I feel like an important part of my music is completely missing. Also, the HD558 is faster than the SR225i, incredible as it may sound.

So there's really no contest for me. The SR225i is a fun headphone, and I could say it's excellent for its price... if I had never heard sub-bass, and if I didn't listen to a wide variety of genres. I see the appeal of Grados, but they're not what I'm looking for. And, they're outrageously overpriced in Europe. I'm lucky I got my 225i from a US seller.

I appreciate your thoughtful post. I'm new to this audio hobby. I don't have the technical knowledge that you do. I can see, though, that musical genre is an important criteria as is, of course, bottom line budget. In my case, after years of listening to low fi, I put together a medium fi speaker system and headphone rig and wanted something to get started with. I ended up going with 225i and A-2 that I use in conjunction with my speaker system.

 

In the process, I decided that I had I wanted to listen to my entire CD collection digitally on speakers throughout my home in addition to a HP rig. Currently, I've got one legitimate speaker system and Hp rig and Sonos streaming into multiple rooms. Sonos isn't audiophile quality, but it allows me organize my entire CD collection digitally and access my collection wirelessly in multiple rooms in my home aT the push of a button on any mobile device or computer I own....which is kind of awesome.

 

I am going through what feels like a mammoth process of reripping all of my CD's into lossless. I'm guessing I'm about 3/4 of the way through.

 

I've never been able to have my entire CD collection available to me this way. I'm totally sold on the concept. Probably silly and definitely indulgent, but I love the ability to have every CD own available to me and to be able hit random play and say, "surprise me"!

 

One of the interesting things, is I can look at how many tracks I currently have and the various genres.

 

Currently I have 6,668 tracks...not all in lossless...slowly converting. I don't really know many more CD's I have left to convert....a reasonable number, but I'm definitely over 70% there.

 

Of these close to 7,000 tracks, 632 are classical, jazz, folk, new age and easy listening (Frank Sinatra, etc.). While I enjoy these genres, they represent a relatively small part of my collection. My Grado 225i probably wouldn't be my top choice for orchestral music if that were my primary genre.

 

I have1047 tracks that I loosely categorize as rock (classic rock, blues rock, alternative and indie rock)

 

And, here's the kicker-3000+ heavy metal, hard rock, punk, hardcore. It gets a little hard to classify some of my old favorites like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen as they fit into both rock and metal...but that's another issue....

 

Clearly looking at my tracks, while I enjoy a variety of kinds of music, and hope to expand my jazz and classical collection, most of my collection tends to veer toward guitar driven blues, rock and aggressive heavy music. For an old guy, I like to rock!

 

For a $450 investment so far (HP and amp-I'm not including source components as that is expanding-my next purchase will probably be a decent integrated amp and dedicated DAC) the 225i has been a good choice. But, I can feel the need to diversity in the future.

 

Happy listening!


Edited by markm1 - 7/20/13 at 7:48pm
post #8216 of 24306
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

 

Amen...I love the fact that our little Grado thread here tends to stay so friendly and respectful. This is always the first thread I check whenever I log on here, and you're in a very small group of posters that I've been enjoying and trusting since I first signed up here in late 2011. 

 

The amp I'm really curious about for Grados, especially since I have the GS1ks kickin' around here, would be the Mapletree amps. Dr P built my first tube preamp several years ago and it was just a great buying experience. I've been close a few times to sending him a few more bucks for one of his headamps, cause i've heard that they have amazing synergy with our beloved Grados. If I ever am lucky enough to own the PS1ks, I'd certainly get them a nicer amp just out of principle lol. But in the meantime the Little Dot is just incredibly satisfying. 

 

I know i've said this before, but i consider myself a Grado fan, not a fanboy. I try to respect the fact that we all hear differently, have different sound systems and prefer different sound signatures, also, this is a hobby, not a competition, meaning that even if have a preference for Grados, i can still recognize the fact that Sennheiser, Audeze, HiFi Man, Stax etc... all make very good sounding headphones. And in the end, i think that through all our differences, we're all here for the same reason, wich is, the love of music reproduced through good sounding headphones. And as far as i'm concerned, that is reason enough to see us as part of the same team.

 

That being said, of course, they're will be times that even after a lenghty discussion, we still won't share the same opinion, and that's ok, these are the times when we just have to, agree to disagree, instead of resorting to rudeness, or even worse, namecalling.

 

They're is nothing i like more than reading posts of people like you, and others, who are satified with they're sound systems. And even if someone says that after hearing the PS1000, they still prefer the sound signature of their GS1000, RS1i, or PS500, i don't take offence, in fact, i'm happy for them, because if they listened with the intention of upgrading, they've just saved themselves a lot money. 

 

Sorry for rambling on like that. Back on topic, since the Little Dot +1 is so inexpensive, i'd be satified with a ''blacker'' background as the sole improvement, anything more will just be icing on the cake.

post #8217 of 24306
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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post

 

I know i've said this before, but i consider myself a Grado fan, not a fanboy. I try to respect the fact that we all hear differently, have different sound systems and prefer different sound signatures, also, this is a hobby, not a competition, meaning that even if have a preference for Grados, i can still recognize the fact that Sennheiser, Audeze, HiFi Man, Stax etc... all make very good sounding headphones. And in the end, i think that through all our differences, we're all here for the same reason, wich is, the love of music reproduced through good sounding headphones. And as far as i'm concerned, that is reason enough to see us as part of the same team.

 

That being said, of course, they're will be times that even after a lenghty discussion, we still won't share the same opinion, and that's ok, these are the times when we just have to, agree to disagree, instead of resorting to rudeness, or even worse, namecalling.

 

They're is nothing i like more than reading posts of people like you, and others, who are satified with they're sound systems. And even if someone says that after hearing the PS1000, they still prefer the sound signature of their GS1000, RS1i, or PS500, i don't take offence, in fact, i'm happy for them, because if they listened with the intention of upgrading, they've just saved themselves a lot money. 

 

Sorry for rambling on like that. Back on topic, since the Little Dot +1 is so inexpensive, i'd be satified with a ''blacker'' background as the sole improvement, anything more will just be icing on the cake.

 

 

Exactly...the fanboyism that runs rampant on sites like this gets really annoying. When people identify so strongly with their headphone choice that they take it personally when someone ends up preferring something else, that's when i sign off on the conversation...or at least try to sign off lol. Personally I find it more interesting when the gear preferences are more varied, cause I learn more about what's out there and what qualities the various gear have. As for the PS1ks, I'm DYING to hear them....I was surprised when I bought the GS1ks that my 500s remained my favorite Grados (and favorite headphones in general, actually), so it'll be very interesting to compare my 500s to the flagship Grados. 

 

One thing that you and I have in common that I alwasy get a kick out of is our love for the SR80s...and even though we both have higher end gear to play with, we both still get enjoyment out of the little 80s and can find a place where they fit in among their Grado brethren :)

 

Right now I"m watching a dialogue driven movie on my Kindle Fire...never ceases to amaze me how fantastic the 500s sound directly out of this thing. 

post #8218 of 24306
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

 

 

I really respect the way you wrote that. Certainly no headphone is for everyone, and I think the way you went about determining if the Grados were for you is very admirable. Grados definitely aren't going to provide much sub-bass at all, so I can understand why the Senns would be a better match for your preferences. 

Ditto.........yeah, find what matches you best....do not worry about who's name is on the headphone.

 

find what you like and whoever that s....it is

post #8219 of 24306
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post


I really respect the way you wrote that. Certainly no headphone is for everyone, and I think the way you went about determining if the Grados were for you is very admirable. Grados definitely aren't going to provide much sub-bass at all, so I can understand why the Senns would be a better match for your preferences. 

Great point. I let my buddy have a listen on my RS1i yesterday, which I find to be extremely detailed and quick, and just a great overall match to the music I listen to. For his music, he was actually checking his sample rate to make sure his system hadn't gone wonky - the headphones were so fast compared to what he was used to (he has some 60i in his stable). He wasn't a fan of the presentation that I find almost flawless. We all hear differently smily_headphones1.gif
post #8220 of 24306
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Originally Posted by hsubox View Post


Great point. I let my buddy have a listen on my RS1i yesterday, which I find to be extremely detailed and quick, and just a great overall match to the music I listen to. For his music, he was actually checking his sample rate to make sure his system hadn't gone wonky - the headphones were so fast compared to what he was used to (he has some 60i in his stable). He wasn't a fan of the presentation that I find almost flawless. We all hear differently smily_headphones1.gif

 

 

Exactly...too many people want to put a particular headphone in a box and then assume everyone would put it in the same box they did. We're all too different to have headphone "x" ALWAYS be considered better than headphone "y".  In such a subjective hobby, people just need to understand others will disagree, and I think a lot of people have a hard time with that.  Then you have the objectivist crowd who will focus on how a headphone measures, but then you end up with people who allow the measurements to dictate to them how they should feel about that particular phone lol. 

 

For me, I focus on what gives me the most enjoyment...plain and simple. Grados may not live up to expectations of those who focus on measurements, but to my ears they have amazingly natural timbre, an open, airy presentation that is alluring, and they allow vocals to sound so life-like that it's almost as if the performer is in the room.   Now, you give these things to a bass head and they'll probably think you and I have lost our minds lol. 

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