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post #7666 of 21123
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

 

To me, if you igonre the extra high end in the 325 then you can certainly hear the increase in the bass over the 225. I used an EQ to cut some of the treble in the 325 to voice it closer to the 225 and I noticed deeper and punchier bass in the 325.

Sounds reasonable to mesmile.gif.

 

My bias is still for a newbie who just wants it straight out of the box no tweaks, no head scratching plug'n'play-for a couple hundred smackers, the 225 is hard to beat. For people who want turn key, move in ready listening.

post #7667 of 21123
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Sounds reasonable to mesmile.gif.

 

My bias is still for a newbie who just wants it straight out of the box no tweaks, no head scratching plug'n'play-for a couple hundred smackers, the 225 is hard to beat. For people who want turn key, move in ready listening.

 

I agree.
post #7668 of 21123
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

Your post stated:  "Amp makes zero difference in sound quality, and lossless and v0 have no perceivable difference."

When you throw around terms like "zero difference" and "no perceivable difference" you may be misunderstood.

Because you didn't elaborate at all it seemed provocative especially for a Grado Fans Club.

I am NOT saying it was right to label anyone a troll, just answering your question of why it happened to you in that situation.

It's great that folk jump to your defense to express your valid opinion!

Yeah and this is the problem of emails and posts in general-without the social context you get in a conversation or person to person interface-you loose a lot of the nuances of communication and people get their schiit bent out of shape....so speak.

 

What I'm about to write, is not about CrystalT....I'm just going to make a hypothetical point or two.

 

Can't you think of times someone said things that sounded absurd, but they were socially awkward or had difficulties with interpersonal relationships and you just let it go. I know I have.

 

Someone like CrystalT puts out an email and some people get a little, er, shall we say-"Type A". None of us know what each other looks or sounds like.

 

Again, I'm not talking about CyrstalT as I don't know her. For all anyone knows, she may be a 60 year old male truck driver, however I kind of doubt that.

 

But, I do have a teenage daughter. And, I also work with young adults. If I, as a middle aged music lover who still listens to heavy rock music have a conversation with my one of my teen age daughter's friends, and she's kind of going through a late adolescent punkish/fight the power thing, I'm going to let her talk cause she's a kid. I may think to myself (I was listening to music 25 years before she was born, I lived through music history that she has only heard about, this kid doesn't know what she's talking about-again-I'm not talking about CrystalT), but I take the context into account and I let her have her views and soft peddle it.

 

I think we've all head conversations about music, gear, etc. with someone who is much younger or from a different culture, less experience or whatever, and hopefully you have a respectful conversation.

 

I see a lot of kids who just listen to extreme metal for instance, I have to force myself to not give them a lecture about going back and listening to early Black Sabbath, The Ramones and Led Zeppelin....but that's a different axe to grind normal_smile%20.gif

 

On Head-Fi...it's all bout-What??? Sacrilege. How can you say That!

 

So, people get a little worked up.

 

Plus, if we all had to face each other person to person, we wouldn't have the nerve to spew much of what is stated on some of these posts.


Edited by markm1 - 6/17/13 at 9:47am
post #7669 of 21123
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

See my prev post. It depends on the source. If you have a good amp/dac then the 325s are better at taking advantage of it. The 225s can get close with different mods (flats or tape mod) but they will never have the depth and detail of the 325s.

 

Thanks mate :) much appreciated

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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

I recently A-B'd my 225 and 325 at a meet. Actually more A-B-C with 225i-325i and HE 500. The demo was lossless tracks on a PC with a DIY tube amp.   Also, I wasn't listening to my music. I was able to listen to Nora Jones, Led Zeppelin, Beatles and Linsdy Striling. I like all those artists, but I also listen to more aggressive music which I wasn't able to demo.

 

To me the difference wasn't that stark. I agree w/ comments, that the 325 had a bit more detail and sound richer. I certainly wouldn't get rid of my 225 to get the 325. For some of the music, the 325 sounded harsher and fatiguing which is in line w/ comments I had read. However, the 325 were a really nice sounding HP and the detail and depth of sound I thought was quite good.

 

I'm not sure I agree with the comment about the 225 being leaner in the low end compared to the 325. Maybe Bassboysam can clarify. The 325 have a rep for being the brightest of the series or so I thought. It's hard for me to think now in the abstract, but my sense is that my 225 may have had more low end, but less detail and a bit easier on the ears.

 

And, I agree the 225 more "fun". Now compared to the HE 500/totally different obviously.

 

My take away is that the 225i are a pretty good all around medium fi HP that lack some of the finesse and refinement of higher end HP's, but sound great to my ears with my Asgard 225i.

 

They have a real upfront and aggressive feel. But, I gather the entire line is that way. And, that is why I find them so gratifying w/ much of the rock/prog/metal/punk I listen too. In my case I'm looking for a compliment for other genres such as orchestral classical, and jazz. But, for all of my heavy rock based music-I think my 225 are killer.

 

Let me also say, I think my 225i's do pretty well w/ most genres including jazz but I'd like another alternative that's a little less "in your face" for some of my listening.

 

 

In summary,  I can see why folks would say the 325 are technically a better can. I didn't think they were $100 better. If I were to upgrade I would want to audition the RS1i or the PS 500 or get something totally different like the HE series or whatnot.....that is if I were ready to plunk down over $500.

Thanks! I have also heard that the 325is may be perceived as harsh. That's why I was reluctant to get it over the SR225i. As for the weaker bass on the 225, I have an M-100 for my bass factory :) and I enjoy the Grado sound to balance it out. Guess I'll just have to take the plunge and try one! 

post #7670 of 21123

Personally, the difference between the 225i and 325is was minimal from my source.

 

I like the 325is for style, and they get extra points for an actual leather headband; but for me the choice came down to immediate comfort.  The 325is is noticeably heavier due to the aluminum cups.  The weight difference caused a comfort issue for me in the 20 or so minutes I auditioned them.

 

Again, for me, the quality difference I heard (though slight from my iPod), was not worth the extra $95.

 

Emphasis added on the parts that are purely my own opinion.

post #7671 of 21123

See my prev post. It depends on the source. If you have a good amp/dac then the 325s are better at taking advantage of it. The 225s can get close with different mods (flats or tape mod) but they will never have the depth and detail of the 325s.

 

Yeah-I think that's about right. I'm using the tap mods and the 325 had more depth and detail-question of degrees and price point really.

post #7672 of 21123

edit: wrong thread


Edited by alrgeez - 6/17/13 at 1:23pm
post #7673 of 21123

For me, it was close between the 225's and the 325's.  Yes, the 325's seemed more resolving, but not enough to justify the difference in price at the time.  I also had the impression that the 325's were more forward in the treble region, which is the last thing I want.  I do want to try some of the other Grado's after I graduate, when I get a life back!

post #7674 of 21123
I only ever buy used so the price difference is much easier to swallow. But yes the difference, like most of the stuff on head-fi, is splitting hairs. But thats the whole point smily_headphones1.gif
post #7675 of 21123
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Originally Posted by CrystalT View Post

Im a she. XD

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Of course, you are... why else would you have an illustration of a girl as an avatar wink.gif


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Obligatory picture proof to those calling my gender in to question.


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post #7676 of 21123

That collar looks very bdsm - ish.

post #7677 of 21123
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

Your post stated:  "Amp makes zero difference in sound quality, and lossless and v0 have no perceivable difference."

When you throw around terms like "zero difference" and "no perceivable difference" you may be misunderstood.

Because you didn't elaborate at all it seemed provocative especially for a Grado Fans Club.

I am NOT saying it was right to label anyone a troll, just answering your question of why it happened to you in that situation.

It's great that folk jump to your defense to express your valid opinion!

Yeah and this is the problem of emails and posts in general-without the social context you get in a conversation or person to person interface-you loose a lot of the nuances of communication and people get their schiit bent out of shape....so speak.

 

What I'm about to write, is not about CrystalT....I'm just going to make a hypothetical point or two.

 

Can't you think of times someone said things that sounded absurd, but they were socially awkward or had difficulties with interpersonal relationships and you just let it go. I know I have.

 

Someone like CrystalT puts out an email and some people get a little, er, shall we say-"Type A". None of us know what each other looks or sounds like.

 

Again, I'm not talking about CyrstalT as I don't know her. For all anyone knows, she may be a 60 year old male truck driver, however I kind of doubt that.

 

But, I do have a teenage daughter. And, I also work with young adults. If I, as a middle aged music lover who still listens to heavy rock music have a conversation with my one of my teen age daughter's friends, and she's kind of going through a late adolescent punkish/fight the power thing, I'm going to let her talk cause she's a kid. I may think to myself (I was listening to music 25 years before she was born, I lived through music history that she has only heard about, this kid doesn't know what she's talking about-again-I'm not talking about CrystalT), but I take the context into account and I let her have her views and soft peddle it.

 

I think we've all head conversations about music, gear, etc. with someone who is much younger or from a different culture, less experience or whatever, and hopefully you have a respectful conversation.

 

I see a lot of kids who just listen to extreme metal for instance, I have to force myself to not give them a lecture about going back and listening to early Black Sabbath, The Ramones and Led Zeppelin....but that's a different axe to grind normal_smile%20.gif

 

On Head-Fi...it's all bout-What??? Sacrilege. How can you say That!

 

So, people get a little worked up.

 

Plus, if we all had to face each other person to person, we wouldn't have the nerve to spew much of what is stated on some of these posts.


This was fun to read. I listen to extreme metal, but I also grew up with, appreciate, and frequently listen to the artists that wrote the books. Particularly maiden, sabbath, The Ramones, Scorpions, Kansas, Emerson Lake and Palmer, and of course I also listen to a lot of power metal/death metal/thrash/punk/hardcore, particularly stuff from the late 80s and 90s.

There are some extreme metal bands out there with as much intricacy as the old greats. Try not to knock em. =p

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post #7678 of 21123
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Originally Posted by CheeseWithWorms View Post

That collar looks very bdsm - ish.


It's actually a leg restraint, but my neck is pretty dainty, and it fits perfectly =3

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post #7679 of 21123
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Originally Posted by CrystalT View Post


It's actually a leg restraint, but my neck is pretty dainty, and it fits perfectly =3

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It looked very fishy and i just could not, not comment on that. But why would you post pictures to prove your gender anyway...

post #7680 of 21123
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It's actually a leg restraint, but my neck is pretty dainty, and it fits perfectly =3

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It looked very fishy and i just could not, not comment on that. But why would you post pictures to prove your gender anyway...


I don't really like it when people call it in to question.

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