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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
Actually empirical evidence suggests that most people (with most music) can't hear a difference between properly encoded aac256 / mp3 320 and lossless

Then why do people keep telling me the DAC is so important in your rig??!! biggrin.gif Certainly you don't need an amazing DAC to max out MP3s. (maybe this is a misconception on my end)  And I apologize for labeling CrystalT. I was trying to avoid it, but I fell right into it. CrystalT, I fully respect your opinion and hope I didn't offend you in any way. 

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Like I said - I left you the link - do the tests .... I'm pretty sure you'll be surprised with the results.  Self enlightenment is always a good thing right?  It won't cost you anything except time.

 

BTW - thanks for the post above - shows maturity.

 

Which Grados do you have Wes?  I sold my 325i (full woody jackets last week) - and am missing them already.  Just sold my Arrow as well - so funnily enough I'm not far off having enough money for a set of RS1is.  Decisions - decisions :)

post #7638 of 13867

Just got my first Grados today.

 

I decided on the SR225i.

 

The guy that sold them to me was absolutely phenomenal. He only had one set of 225is left, and they were his open box set (he mentioned that they were his "Audition" set, and that they only got used every 3 months or so), so I got them for the price of the SR125i.

 

I'm absolutely loving them so far. I bought a set of flat pads while I was there, so comfort is absolutely NOT an issue. All of my music sounds phenomenal now.

post #7639 of 13867
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Like I said - I left you the link - do the tests .... I'm pretty sure you'll be surprised with the results.  Self enlightenment is always a good thing right?  It won't cost you anything except time.

 

BTW - thanks for the post above - shows maturity.

 

Which Grados do you have Wes?  I sold my 325i (full woody jackets last week) - and am missing them already.  Just sold my Arrow as well - so funnily enough I'm not far off having enough money for a set of RS1is.  Decisions - decisions :)

I'm on a Mac, so Foobar isn't an option :( I haven't done any real tests, and have questioned whether it's just that me thinking It's better, but the case I had yesterday of discovering that one of my CDs was ripped with compression is confirmation that I, for one, notice a difference. Is it as drastic as I/others make it out to be? Probably not. I'm interested to hear your opinion on higher bitrates/samplerates. Do you think THOSE make a difference?

 

And I have SR60is. I'm about ready for an upgrade (those aren't the only cans I own, but love the Grado sound so much, I want a higher-end model) and I'm trying to get a guy in the FS forums to sell me his wooded and reterminated SR225is at a price lower than his list price. Guess I shouldn't have mention those here, his price is actually really fair, I just can't afford it right now tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by wes008 View Post

I'm on a Mac, so Foobar isn't an option :( I haven't done any real tests, and have questioned whether it's just that me thinking It's better, but the case I had yesterday of discovering that one of my CDs was ripped with compression is confirmation that I, for one, notice a difference. Is it as drastic as I/others make it out to be? Probably not. I'm interested to hear your opinion on higher bitrates/samplerates. Do you think THOSE make a difference?

 

And I have SR60is. I'm about ready for an upgrade (those aren't the only cans I own, but love the Grado sound so much, I want a higher-end model) and I'm trying to get a guy in the FS forums to sell me his wooded and reterminated SR225is at a price lower than his list price. Guess I shouldn't have mention those here, his price is actually really fair, I just can't afford it right now tongue.gif


I think the 225i are the sweet spot in the Grado lineup for performance/price. Hope you can swing that deal cause you will really like the 225's

post #7641 of 13867

^I love mine lol only 2 cans like better in my collection!

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Originally Posted by 3l3tric View Post

Just got my first Grados today.

 

I decided on the SR225i.

 

The guy that sold them to me was absolutely phenomenal. He only had one set of 225is left, and they were his open box set (he mentioned that they were his "Audition" set, and that they only got used every 3 months or so), so I got them for the price of the SR125i.

 

I'm absolutely loving them so far. I bought a set of flat pads while I was there, so comfort is absolutely NOT an issue. All of my music sounds phenomenal now.

Congrats, you got a great deal on those 225i's

 

Enjoy!

post #7643 of 13867
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Originally Posted by whirlwind View Post

Congrats, you got a great deal on those 225i's

 

Enjoy!

I've really enjoyed mine!

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SR225i is indeed the sweet-spot from my experience. I want to upgrade my SR60i, eventually, though. It's hard to justify it when I was able to get my hands on Pioneer's SE-A1000 for $60. Both headphones have their merits, but all things considered, I personally like the Pioneer better than even the 325i. They sound nearly identical in terms of detail retrieval, but the Pioneer wins out on comfort, perception of space, and bass extension. 50mm drivers will do that. Also, the Pioneer is actually a fully-open can. Don't let pictures deceive you.

 

I really appreciate that Brooko was willing to defend me, and not immediately defaulting to calling me a troll. It's one of the few times someone on Head-Fi has been particularly nice to me. I've always been a contrarian. Not out of any arbitrary moral choice, but because I just naturally tend to question groupthink. Logical fallacies have a tendency to spawn with that mindset, and I like to challenge the norms. I learned my lessons in the past. So I don't agree with some of Head-Fi's beliefs, I argued my case respectfully, and never defaulted to insulting anyone's integrity. Why is it that I was immediately labeled a troll? 

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Originally Posted by CrystalT View Post

 

I really appreciate that Brooko was willing to defend me, and not immediately defaulting to calling me a troll. It's one of the few times someone on Head-Fi has been particularly nice to me. I've always been a contrarian. Not out of any arbitrary moral choice, but because I just naturally tend to question groupthink. Logical fallacies have a tendency to spawn with that mindset, and I like to challenge the norms. I learned my lessons in the past. So I don't agree with some of Head-Fi's beliefs, I argued my case respectfully, and never defaulted to insulting anyone's integrity. Why is it that I was immediately labeled a troll? 

I didn't immediately call you that, but I did indirectly label that in the end. I apologize, you did argue your case both thoroughly and respectfully. It seemed to me that your posts were just to go against the flow of everything, but you truly believe in what you're hearing, and your added insight is a breath of fresh air here on Head-Fi. Everyone teaches each other here on Head-Fi, and I just need to accept that not everyone hears/agrees with what I'm hearing. Again, I'm sorry if I offended you, it's not you, it's me biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by wes008 View Post

I didn't immediately call you that, but I did indirectly label that in the end. I apologize, you did argue your case both thoroughly and respectfully. It seemed to me that your posts were just to go against the flow of everything, but you truly believe in what you're hearing, and your added insight is a breath of fresh air here on Head-Fi. Everyone teaches each other here on Head-Fi, and I just need to accept that not everyone hears/agrees with what I'm hearing. Again, I'm sorry if I offended you, it's not you, it's me biggrin.gif
In an ideal world we would all be able to sample each others rigs and determine whether we agree or not with each assessments. Sadly we can't so have to just determine when and when not to push a point. Some clowns adopt contrarian views for trolling purposes rather than as belief. Hence people on forums may respond abruptly. Luckily don't seem to get many on HF. Balance restored on the Grado thread again. Happy listening all. (Def not accusing you of trolling CrystalT)
Edited by jimbob54 - 6/16/13 at 11:05am
post #7647 of 13867

BTW,

 

a source question (hopefully not OT, but ultimately, source can impact on the sound coming out of our grados :) )...

 

i want to do a comparison with a recent itunes download, and compare it to an ALAC CD rip of same title (daft punk's tron legacy)...

 

what would be the audio specs of a typical itunes download, and an ALAC CD rip?

 

i recently got the beatles FLAC USB drive. aside from the question about how to convert into itunes (or whether i even should) which i won't get into, IN GENERAL, can windows vista even playback 24 bit (i think it is 24/44.1?) natively, or will it automatically downconvert to 18 bit? sorry if this is too far afield, if so, directions to another thread would be appreciated (was just hoping this is a simple answer).

 

after reading the article a few times linked above (questioning 24/192), i was reminded of how many discrete and separate links there are in the audio chain, EVEN leaving aside potentially contentious issues like cables. :) a bit daunting, given the cliche that any chain only as strong as its weakest link. anyways, a big link pointed out in the article, and a reminder to me, was that recording/engineering/mastering is MASSIVELY important. i'm guessing that some extremely well recorded audio in so called lossy format could easily surpass some poorly done examples in lossless.

 

i suppose the ideal would be to compare notes on examples of excellent recordings in favorite genres (which has been done at head fi in different threads), as well as comparing notes on best sources (albeit, it sounds like there is a robust debate, which i appreciated, when conducted civilly and respectfully, about what is the optimal threshold or demarcation point in audio source beyond which additional "fidelity" can be unnecessary)...

 

with so many potentially confounding variables, unless rigorous steps are taken to delineate and eliminate spurious elements (sounds like a fearsomely difficult task to even conceive of let alone execute) perhaps there are times when people thought they liked a recording because of the bit rate (etc.), whereas it actually may have just been because it was spectacularly recorded/engineered/mastered... especially where there aren't two readily available side-by-side comparison copies with different audio specs (and even that can be challenging, since not too many people have the audio equivalent of photographic recall, so imperfect memory needs to be relied on - except in case where the differences are extreme and blatantly obvious)...     


Edited by woophoria - 6/16/13 at 1:34pm
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^ I'll chip in. I recently spent days re ripping CDs that had been at 256/320 AAC or mp3 to lossless as tests on a limited amount of favourites proved ( to my ears) that I could tell a difference. This is through both my Spendor speakers and other mid fi kit and also through my Grados with decent headphone amp. My DAC won't do 24 bit so can't comment on tht vs 16 bit. To me, it s not so much the sound of instruments etc, it is more the feeling of space and the way instruments appear more "real" or at least better locked in place. Almost like the difference between a 2d map and one with slight relief for terrain etc. Both give the same info, but the extra detail helps your brain make it more real.

Ultimately it is all in our minds, regardless of what is physically happening after all.

BTW, assuming you can actually get at the FLAC files on your PC from the Beatles stick, software like DB power amp will easily convert to pretty much any format you care for. Don't know if any Windows players can handle 24 bit tho as never had to try.

To answer your specific question, best way to check any data on any tracks in your library is to right click and select properties of any individual file. Through iTunes you can right click and find in windows explorer. Most data can be accessed by selecting all the additional column files in the min list view.

I believe any iTunes purchase are now AAC 256kbps 16 bit /44.1. Things ripped in apple lossless (ALAC) I believe are16/44.1 but with bit rates varying between 600kbps up to over 1000 depending on musical complexity. iTunes has a setting to playback in other than 44.1 somewhere in preferences but as nearly everyone without 24bit music will have it all as 16/44.1 anyway, little point in tweaking that one.
Edited by jimbob54 - 6/16/13 at 2:10pm
post #7649 of 13867
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Originally Posted by CrystalT View Post

I really appreciate that Brooko was willing to defend me, and not immediately defaulting to calling me a troll. It's one of the few times someone on Head-Fi has been particularly nice to me. I've always been a contrarian. Not out of any arbitrary moral choice, but because I just naturally tend to question groupthink. Logical fallacies have a tendency to spawn with that mindset, and I like to challenge the norms. I learned my lessons in the past. So I don't agree with some of Head-Fi's beliefs, I argued my case respectfully, and never defaulted to insulting anyone's integrity. Why is it that I was immediately labeled a troll? 

 

I'm like you AFK too, you might not always get the respect you should get, but never give up on your own opinions and ideas!

 

 

Think Different

 

 

-CH23

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Originally Posted by CrystalT View Post

. I've always been a contrarian. Not out of any arbitrary moral choice, but because I just naturally tend to question groupthink. Logical fallacies have a tendency to spawn with that mindset, and I like to challenge the norms. I learned my lessons in the past. So I don't agree with some of Head-Fi's beliefs, I argued my case respectfully, and never defaulted to insulting anyone's integrity. Why is it that I was immediately labeled a troll? 

 

 

   Yaaay!

 

   I myself am a reformed audiophile.  I spent waaay too much money on cables, amps, and the like and at the end of it had very little satisfaction with my system.  I now have a much more rational system, which incidentally is what led me to Grado's.  I'm now an avid mid-fier, and I'm always looking for products that deliver quality without the 4, 5, or even 6-digit price tag and exotic materials.  I became very curious about the Grado's, and after auditioning the 80i, 225i and the 325i, settled on the 225i's as the 'sweet-spot.'

 

   I'm also close to throwing in the towel in the debate on sampling rates, and the 225i's are part of the experience that is leading me to believe that 24/96 and higher is not really an indicator of quality. I have every reason to think that the Grado's are accurate and revealing enough to detect sonic differences in the material, and so far I have to admit, I'm not hearing anything that tells me that there is a difference.  Which is a little disappointing, but easier on the wallet.

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