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post #7636 of 27725
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Originally Posted by woophoria View Post

thanks for the reply,

confirmed after getting audio info...

itunes download... first track on tron legacy (overture) - 256 kbps

recent CD rip ALAC... first track on abbey road (come together) - 819 kbps

DB power amp was one of first mentioned and came up a lot after a cursory look at options, it sounded like it stripped all of meta-data, but that still may be more direct route, even if that needs to be manually edited back in (replicates the stereo box set, about 225 songs on USB... all british albums, plus US MMT and two past masters volumes for the singles/non-album tracks) than some of the more byzantine, labrynithian ways.  

The power amp preserves metadata in my experience. One of the modules is batch converter, find select top level folder you wish it to convert, destination folder and output file type and off it goes. You just mass import destination folder to iTunes and it should all be there. That assumes the Beatles stick allows access and the FLAC files aren't copy protected, which I strongly suspect they are. But the software is about £15 anyway and means you can buy legitimate FLAC files elsewhere of any music rather than CD and convert to ALAC.
post #7637 of 27725
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

Long time lurker here but thought i'd post seeing as how I will soon have 5 pairs of Grados.

SR80i
SR225i
SR325i

On the way to me:
PS500
RS-1 (with the buttons, semi-vintage i think????)

Not sure if i will keep all 5 yet. I'm kind of hoping (and kind of not) the RS1 can replace all the SR series, and I am hoping the PS500 gives me everything the RS1 can't while maintaining the Grado sauce.

Sam- what's your take on the SR series?  Does any one of them stand out as the best of the bunch?

post #7638 of 27725
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post

Sam- what's your take on the SR series?  Does any one of them stand out as the best of the bunch?

That's a tough one. The 80s are good if your source is questionable but assuming a solid source, i think the 325s are best. The 225s are just a bit too lean in the low end and they don't sound as rich as the 325s. fwiw i have bowls on both. At the same time i think the 225s are more fun especially with bass boosted through an eq. But the 325s are a btter quality phone but you need quality recordings otherwise they can be harsh. I am really hoping the RS1 gives me the best of both.

Also, not Grado related but I found a good deal on some ATH-WS99s and picked them up because i am looking for a closed pair. Plus some new mullards for my LD MKIII. it was an expensive weekend biggrin.gif
Edited by bassboysam - 6/17/13 at 5:03am
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Originally Posted by jimbob54 View Post
To me, it s not so much the sound of instruments etc, it is more the feeling of space and the way instruments appear more "real" or at least better locked in place. Almost like the difference between a 2d map and one with slight relief for terrain etc. Both give the same info, but the extra detail helps your brain make it more real.

Totally. I'm no compression expert, but as far as I understand it, you're turning a, say, 50mb file into an 10mb file by removing parts of the track that are unnecessary. Now, if the removed parts are outside of human hearing, then there should be no difference. However, I, like you, detect a more "realistic" image of the song when it's ripped as lossless. I'm sure there is such a thing as good encoding, but why would I want less of a song? Sure, it sounds largely the same, but I'm trying to recreate the live sound, I don't want to miss out on the little things!

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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

Long time lurker here but thought i'd post seeing as how I will soon have 5 pairs of Grados.

SR80i
SR225i
SR325i

On the way to me:
PS500
RS-1 (with the buttons, semi-vintage i think????)

Not sure if i will keep all 5 yet. I'm kind of hoping (and kind of not) the RS1 can replace all the SR series, and I am hoping the PS500 gives me everything the RS1 can't while maintaining the Grado sauce.

Fanboy biggrin.gif Then again, I would own all of those too if I could afford them! I'm stuck on my next pair to buy; I can afford up to $300. I was just going to go with the SR225i though. Do you hear a strong improvement in the SR325i though? I'd get that if it's worth the extra $100. What I really want is an RS2i, but I can't really afford $500 right now frown.gif

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See my prev post. It depends on the source. If you have a good amp/dac then the 325s are better at taking advantage of it. The 225s can get close with different mods (flats or tape mod) but they will never have the depth and detail of the 325s.
post #7641 of 27725
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Originally Posted by wes008 View Post

Totally. I'm no compression expert, but as far as I understand it, you're turning a, say, 50mb file into an 10mb file by removing parts of the track that are unnecessary. Now, if the removed parts are outside of human hearing, then there should be no difference. However, I, like you, detect a more "realistic" image of the song when it's ripped as lossless. I'm sure there is such a thing as good encoding, but why would I want less of a song? Sure, it sounds largely the same, but I'm trying to recreate the live sound, I don't want to miss out on the little things!

Fanboy biggrin.gif Then again, I would own all of those too if I could afford them! I'm stuck on my next pair to buy; I can afford up to $300. I was just going to go with the SR225i though. Do you hear a strong improvement in the SR325i though? I'd get that if it's worth the extra $100. What I really want is an RS2i, but I can't really afford $500 right now frown.gif

I recently A-B'd my 225 and 325 at a meet. Actually more A-B-C with 225i-325i and HE 500. The demo was lossless tracks on a PC with a DIY tube amp.   Also, I wasn't listening to my music. I was able to listen to Nora Jones, Led Zeppelin, Beatles and Linsdy Striling. I like all those artists, but I also listen to more aggressive music which I wasn't able to demo.

 

To me the difference wasn't that stark. I agree w/ comments, that the 325 had a bit more detail and sound richer. I certainly wouldn't get rid of my 225 to get the 325. For some of the music, the 325 sounded harsher and fatiguing which is in line w/ comments I had read. However, the 325 were a really nice sounding HP and the detail and depth of sound I thought was quite good.

 

I'm not sure I agree with the comment about the 225 being leaner in the low end compared to the 325. Maybe Bassboysam can clarify. The 325 have a rep for being the brightest of the series or so I thought. It's hard for me to think now in the abstract, but my sense is that my 225 may have had more low end, but less detail and a bit easier on the ears.

 

And, I agree the 225 more "fun". Now compared to the HE 500/totally different obviously.

 

My take away is that the 225i are a pretty good all around medium fi HP that lack some of the finesse and refinement of higher end HP's, but sound great to my ears with my Asgard 225i.

 

They have a real upfront and aggressive feel. But, I gather the entire line is that way. And, that is why I find them so gratifying w/ much of the rock/prog/metal/punk I listen too. In my case I'm looking for a compliment for other genres such as orchestral classical, and jazz. But, for all of my heavy rock based music-I think my 225 are killer.

 

Let me also say, I think my 225i's do pretty well w/ most genres including jazz but I'd like another alternative that's a little less "in your face" for some of my listening.

 

 

In summary,  I can see why folks would say the 325 are technically a better can. I didn't think they were $100 better. If I were to upgrade I would want to audition the RS1i or the PS 500 or get something totally different like the HE series or whatnot.....that is if I were ready to plunk down over $500.


Edited by markm1 - 6/17/13 at 6:37am
post #7642 of 27725
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

I'm not sure I agree with the comment about the 225 being leaner in the low end compared to the 325. Maybe Bassboysam can clarify.

 

To me, if you igonre the extra high end in the 325 then you can certainly hear the increase in the bass over the 225. I used an EQ to cut some of the treble in the 325 to voice it closer to the 225 and I noticed deeper and punchier bass in the 325.
post #7643 of 27725
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Originally Posted by CrystalT View Post

Wish there were more meets in my area. I desperately want to audition the higher end grados. Particularly the RS1

Next time you're up this way, stop in at that place in Tempe I mentioned to you.  They have the RS-1i and RS-2i available for demo.  Their shop in Scottsdale might have the PS and/or GS series as well.

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Originally Posted by CrystalT View Post

Im a she. XD

Sent from my SPH-L300 using Tapatalk 2

 

Of course, you are... why else would you have an illustration of a girl as an avatar wink.gif

post #7645 of 27725
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Originally Posted by CrystalT View Post

 Why is it that I was immediately labeled a troll? 

Your post stated:  "Amp makes zero difference in sound quality, and lossless and v0 have no perceivable difference."

When you throw around terms like "zero difference" and "no perceivable difference" you may be misunderstood.

Because you didn't elaborate at all it seemed provocative especially for a Grado Fans Club.

I am NOT saying it was right to label anyone a troll, just answering your question of why it happened to you in that situation.

It's great that folk jump to your defense to express your valid opinion!

post #7646 of 27725
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

 

To me, if you igonre the extra high end in the 325 then you can certainly hear the increase in the bass over the 225. I used an EQ to cut some of the treble in the 325 to voice it closer to the 225 and I noticed deeper and punchier bass in the 325.

Sounds reasonable to mesmile.gif.

 

My bias is still for a newbie who just wants it straight out of the box no tweaks, no head scratching plug'n'play-for a couple hundred smackers, the 225 is hard to beat. For people who want turn key, move in ready listening.

post #7647 of 27725
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Sounds reasonable to mesmile.gif.

 

My bias is still for a newbie who just wants it straight out of the box no tweaks, no head scratching plug'n'play-for a couple hundred smackers, the 225 is hard to beat. For people who want turn key, move in ready listening.

 

I agree.
post #7648 of 27725
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

Your post stated:  "Amp makes zero difference in sound quality, and lossless and v0 have no perceivable difference."

When you throw around terms like "zero difference" and "no perceivable difference" you may be misunderstood.

Because you didn't elaborate at all it seemed provocative especially for a Grado Fans Club.

I am NOT saying it was right to label anyone a troll, just answering your question of why it happened to you in that situation.

It's great that folk jump to your defense to express your valid opinion!

Yeah and this is the problem of emails and posts in general-without the social context you get in a conversation or person to person interface-you loose a lot of the nuances of communication and people get their schiit bent out of shape....so speak.

 

What I'm about to write, is not about CrystalT....I'm just going to make a hypothetical point or two.

 

Can't you think of times someone said things that sounded absurd, but they were socially awkward or had difficulties with interpersonal relationships and you just let it go. I know I have.

 

Someone like CrystalT puts out an email and some people get a little, er, shall we say-"Type A". None of us know what each other looks or sounds like.

 

Again, I'm not talking about CyrstalT as I don't know her. For all anyone knows, she may be a 60 year old male truck driver, however I kind of doubt that.

 

But, I do have a teenage daughter. And, I also work with young adults. If I, as a middle aged music lover who still listens to heavy rock music have a conversation with my one of my teen age daughter's friends, and she's kind of going through a late adolescent punkish/fight the power thing, I'm going to let her talk cause she's a kid. I may think to myself (I was listening to music 25 years before she was born, I lived through music history that she has only heard about, this kid doesn't know what she's talking about-again-I'm not talking about CrystalT), but I take the context into account and I let her have her views and soft peddle it.

 

I think we've all head conversations about music, gear, etc. with someone who is much younger or from a different culture, less experience or whatever, and hopefully you have a respectful conversation.

 

I see a lot of kids who just listen to extreme metal for instance, I have to force myself to not give them a lecture about going back and listening to early Black Sabbath, The Ramones and Led Zeppelin....but that's a different axe to grind normal_smile%20.gif

 

On Head-Fi...it's all bout-What??? Sacrilege. How can you say That!

 

So, people get a little worked up.

 

Plus, if we all had to face each other person to person, we wouldn't have the nerve to spew much of what is stated on some of these posts.


Edited by markm1 - 6/17/13 at 9:47am
post #7649 of 27725
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Originally Posted by bassboysam View Post

See my prev post. It depends on the source. If you have a good amp/dac then the 325s are better at taking advantage of it. The 225s can get close with different mods (flats or tape mod) but they will never have the depth and detail of the 325s.

 

Thanks mate :) much appreciated

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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

I recently A-B'd my 225 and 325 at a meet. Actually more A-B-C with 225i-325i and HE 500. The demo was lossless tracks on a PC with a DIY tube amp.   Also, I wasn't listening to my music. I was able to listen to Nora Jones, Led Zeppelin, Beatles and Linsdy Striling. I like all those artists, but I also listen to more aggressive music which I wasn't able to demo.

 

To me the difference wasn't that stark. I agree w/ comments, that the 325 had a bit more detail and sound richer. I certainly wouldn't get rid of my 225 to get the 325. For some of the music, the 325 sounded harsher and fatiguing which is in line w/ comments I had read. However, the 325 were a really nice sounding HP and the detail and depth of sound I thought was quite good.

 

I'm not sure I agree with the comment about the 225 being leaner in the low end compared to the 325. Maybe Bassboysam can clarify. The 325 have a rep for being the brightest of the series or so I thought. It's hard for me to think now in the abstract, but my sense is that my 225 may have had more low end, but less detail and a bit easier on the ears.

 

And, I agree the 225 more "fun". Now compared to the HE 500/totally different obviously.

 

My take away is that the 225i are a pretty good all around medium fi HP that lack some of the finesse and refinement of higher end HP's, but sound great to my ears with my Asgard 225i.

 

They have a real upfront and aggressive feel. But, I gather the entire line is that way. And, that is why I find them so gratifying w/ much of the rock/prog/metal/punk I listen too. In my case I'm looking for a compliment for other genres such as orchestral classical, and jazz. But, for all of my heavy rock based music-I think my 225 are killer.

 

Let me also say, I think my 225i's do pretty well w/ most genres including jazz but I'd like another alternative that's a little less "in your face" for some of my listening.

 

 

In summary,  I can see why folks would say the 325 are technically a better can. I didn't think they were $100 better. If I were to upgrade I would want to audition the RS1i or the PS 500 or get something totally different like the HE series or whatnot.....that is if I were ready to plunk down over $500.

Thanks! I have also heard that the 325is may be perceived as harsh. That's why I was reluctant to get it over the SR225i. As for the weaker bass on the 225, I have an M-100 for my bass factory :) and I enjoy the Grado sound to balance it out. Guess I'll just have to take the plunge and try one! 

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Personally, the difference between the 225i and 325is was minimal from my source.

 

I like the 325is for style, and they get extra points for an actual leather headband; but for me the choice came down to immediate comfort.  The 325is is noticeably heavier due to the aluminum cups.  The weight difference caused a comfort issue for me in the 20 or so minutes I auditioned them.

 

Again, for me, the quality difference I heard (though slight from my iPod), was not worth the extra $95.

 

Emphasis added on the parts that are purely my own opinion.

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