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post #7516 of 18604
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post

I looked briefly at the Graham line of amps and for the most part they are way beyond my price range. I don't recall exact prices but I seem to recall something around $800 to $10000 dollars. I am looking for something less than $500, so a Valhalla or Lyr would do nicely if they sound good. I was thinking about a Little Dot and call me old fashioned  but I decided I would rather get something made in America with a good warranty.

 I just got my SR325is phones, haven't had much time to listen to them but so far I have to admit I am not real impressed. I like my 225i better. They are kind of sounding like they are not really burned in very well so I am willing to give them some more time. The person I bought them from said he got them and didn't like the sound much, so he put them away in a closet and they sat there ever since until he decided to sell them, so it is completely possible they didn't get more than a few hours on them to begin with. More later.

I'm going to concur. How much to spend is such a personal choice. If I were to spend upward of 1K, I'd be inclined to put them into upgrading headphones. Well, upgrading isn't right, I really like my Grados-adding options sounds better....choices/variety....following the adage that you get your biggest improvement in HP's/Speakers. Speaking just for myself only owning one set of $200 cans, I could justify spending no more than 2.5 times the value of the cans. But, to spend $1,000 for an amp for a $2-300 HP seems a little lopsided to me. If I wanted more sound stage, I think I'd get a second set of cans....and in fact, am considering the HE 500 for that very reason.One more "polite", refined set of cans w/ more sound stage and one more front and center, bright and aggressive. And, I'd be inclined to keep -in my case-my Asgard 2 which would drive both.

 

 Now, if you have several sets of cans ranging from say $150-1,000+ that changes the calculus entirely.

 

My opinions only, of course. And, to each his own, yada, yada....smile.gif


Edited by markm1 - 5/30/13 at 7:58am
post #7517 of 18604
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

I'm going to concur. How much to spend is such a personal choice. If I were to spend upward of 1K, I'd be inclined to put them into upgrading headphones. Well, upgrading isn't right, I really like my Grados-adding options sounds better....choices/variety....following the adage that you get your biggest improvement in HP's/Speakers. Speaking just for myself only owning one set of $200 cans, I could justify spending no more than 2.5 times the value of the cans. But, to spend $1,000 for an amp for a $2-300 HP seems a little lopsided to me. If I wanted more sound stage, I think I'd get a second set of cans....and in fact, am considering the HE 500 for that very reason.One more "polite", refined set of cans w/ more sound stage and one more front and center, bright and aggressive. And, I'd be inclined to keep -in my case-my Asgard 2 which would drive both.

 Now, if you have several sets of cans ranging from say $150-1,000+ that changes the calculus entirely.

My opinions only, of course. And, to each his own, yada, yada....smile.gif

^ +1 very good advices here.
post #7518 of 18604

Waiting for packages to arrive sucks. 

post #7519 of 18604
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post

 I just got my SR325is phones, havn't had much time to listen to them but so far I have to admit I am not real impressed. I like my 225i better. They are kind of sounding like they are not really burned in very well so I am willing to give them some more time. The person I bought them from said he got them and didn't like the sound much, so he put them away in a closet and they sat there ever since until he decided to sell them, so it is completely possible they didn't get more than a few hours on them to begin with. More later.

 

The secret is to get to know them first (don't worry about 'burn in').  Use the 325i exclusively for a couple of days - without switching back to the 225is.  Your ears will adjust accordingly - and you'll get to appreciate the added detail and bass impact.

 

Then after a couple of days (exclusive) have a quick switch back to the 225is and see if your opinion changes.

 

If you still feel the same way (225i better) then sell the 325i.  But constantly switching between something you know (and your ears are already adjusted to), and something you don't, is not really being fair to the new cans.  Just my opinion.

post #7520 of 18604
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

 

The secret is to get to know them first (don't worry about 'burn in').  Use the 325i exclusively for a couple of days - without switching back to the 225is.  Your ears will adjust accordingly - and you'll get to appreciate the added detail and bass impact.

 

Then after a couple of days (exclusive) have a quick switch back to the 225is and see if your opinion changes.

 

If you still feel the same way (225i better) then sell the 325i.  But constantly switching between something you know (and your ears are already adjusted to), and something you don't, is not really being fair to the new cans.  Just my opinion.

 

+1

 

Well said and especially true if comparing Grado with other brands (like Senn, in my case) that have a very different sound signature.

post #7521 of 18604
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

I'm going to concur. How much to spend is such a personal choice. If I were to spend upward of 1K, I'd be inclined to put them into upgrading headphones. Well, upgrading isn't right, I really like my Grados-adding options sounds better....choices/variety....following the adage that you get your biggest improvement in HP's/Speakers. Speaking just for myself only owning one set of $200 cans, I could justify spending no more than 2.5 times the value of the cans. But, to spend $1,000 for an amp for a $2-300 HP seems a little lopsided to me. If I wanted more sound stage, I think I'd get a second set of cans....and in fact, am considering the HE 500 for that very reason.One more "polite", refined set of cans w/ more sound stage and one more front and center, bright and aggressive. And, I'd be inclined to keep -in my case-my Asgard 2 which would drive both.

 

 Now, if you have several sets of cans ranging from say $150-1,000+ that changes the calculus entirely.

 

My opinions only, of course. And, to each his own, yada, yada....smile.gif

I agree 100%.

 

To buy a $1000 amp to play $200 phones on , does not make much sense to me either.

 

For me personally...its....Headphones >Amp>DAC

post #7522 of 18604
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post

I had the Asgard driving my 325is and PS500 and was initially impressed. Only when I plugged them into my integrated amp I couldn't really notice much difference so I sold the Asgard. The Graham Slee Solo ULDE was a different story however. The only amp I've heard that can impart some kind of soundstage to Grado cans. People who say Grados don't need an amp obviously haven't heard Grados on a good amp. I'd have said the same before I heard the Slee. Grado and Lyr is supposed to be a decent combination; Lyr will certainly supply plenty of current. But isn't Valhalla a high volt amp designed for 250ohm Senns and 600ohm Beyers?

 

I think that the reason people say that Grado don't 'need' an amp, is because, contrary to some other brands, they can give you the most of what, they have to offer straight out of just about anything, but that doesn't mean that they don't sound better with one.

post #7523 of 18604
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Originally Posted by whirlwind View Post

I agree 100%.

 

To buy a $1000 amp to play $200 phones on , does not make much sense to me either.

 

For me personally...its....Headphones >Amp>DAC

 

Count me in too,

 

Instead of spending say, $600 to $700 on a combination of Grado headphones and amp, i would get either some PS500 or RS1i and drive them off my integrated amp.

post #7524 of 18604
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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post

 

Count me in too,

 

Instead of spending say, $600 to $700 on a combination of Grado headphones and amp, i would get either some PS500 or RS1i and drive them off my integrated amp.


I still have my old stereo components, all Onkyo. The Power amp has a headphone jack but I have never listened to anything through it. One of these days maybe I'll set it all up just for a listen, I might be surprised.

post #7525 of 18604
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post

Asgard is the one you want. It's a fine amp for the money and it's the one Schiit and Grado recommend for your headphones. I know because I asked them. I've read people commenting favourably on the Grado/Lyr combination but as a previous poster said, you wouldn't have much room for manoeuvre with the volume pot. That amp seems to have been designed for orthodynamics which require much higher current. The 325is do require quite a bit of burn in. I upgraded to the PS500 and still miss the in-yer-face mids of the 325is. Depends what you listen to really. They're rubbish for electronica but great for rock/indie etc. They're very detailed and like most Grados have a knack of making instruments sound real. Probably don't have the soundstage for classical but they're good for jazz too.


 Now that you mention it I remember someone else saying Grado themselves recommended the Asgard for their phones. Once I decide if I like tubes or SS better I will get either the Valhalla or Asgard 2 along with a Modi dac, then I should be set for a while.

post #7526 of 18604
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Originally Posted by Tony1110 View Post

But isn't Valhalla a high volt amp designed for 250ohm Senns and 600ohm Beyers?

Yep, Schiit says it will drive 32 ohm phones fine, but is really designed as you described.

My irrational behavior in choosing it was that my other amps in house are all-tube, I have been really happy down that path, I wanted to try an OTL amp, it's affordable, and it's US made.

The common perception with OTLs driving low impedance loads is poor damping (fat bass). This combo is not fat & I'm more than happy with the entire presentation.
post #7527 of 18604
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post


I still have my old stereo components, all Onkyo. The Power amp has a headphone jack but I have never listened to anything through it. One of these days maybe I'll set it all up just for a listen, I might be surprised.

 

I have 2 vintage Marantz recievers, a 2220B and a 2226B, and a Yamaha CA-610II integrated amp, all from the mid to late 70's, and even though i get a 'blacker' background from my Musical Fidelity X-Can V2, i'd say that the sound quality i'm getting from these old geesers, is very satisfying.

 

I just finish listening to Loreena McKennitt's live from Toronto CD with my PS1000 and my Yamaha int amp, and never really felt short changed.

post #7528 of 18604
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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post

 

I just finish listening to Loreena McKennitt's live from Toronto CD with my PS1000 and my Yamaha int amp, and never really felt short changed.

 

@stacker - that is a fantastic CD!  My favourite cans for listening to it are actually the HD600.  Have you tried closing your eyes when using the PS1000 - especially between songs, and just let the  audience applause wash around you?  Could swear I was actually there sometimes.

 

Great musical choice! beerchug.gif 

post #7529 of 18604

Well, I'm back in the Grado fold after being out for about a year or so. I've owned pretty much every Grado out there over the years, but missed having one in the stable. I picked up a pair of PS500s and I'm very happy with them. They are very similar to my (now sold) HF-2s, but with a wee bit more mid-bass and wider sound staging. Actually of all the on-ear Grados (RS1i included), the PS500s have the widest soundstage out there. I think I'm gonna pick up a pair of the bagel pads tomorrow and see how they sound.

 

Anyhoo, listening to some Kid Rock now with the PS500s and yessir, Grados just rock! L3000.gif

post #7530 of 18604
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Well, I'm back in the Grado fold after being out for about a year or so. I've owned pretty much every Grado out there over the years, but missed having one in the stable. I picked up a pair of PS500s and I'm very happy with them. They are very similar to my (now sold) HF-2s, but with a wee bit more mid-bass and wider sound staging. Actually of all the on-ear Grados (RS1i included), the PS500s have the widest soundstage out there. I think I'm gonna pick up a pair of the bagel pads tomorrow and see how they sound.

 

Anyhoo, listening to some Kid Rock now with the PS500s and yessir, Grados just rock! L3000.gif

 

Hell yeah, my favorite Grado....nice choice, MH! :)

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