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post #7186 of 20295
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Originally Posted by Moustache View Post

 

So what I know so far checking the internet :

- The PS500 has less soundstage, is more intimate sounding than the MS2.
- The PS500 has more bass, less treble. The PS500 is more warm sounding in general.
- The PS500 doesn't sound as good with guitars but is better with drums.
- The PS500 seems better with vocals.

Bear in mind that those opinions come from different persons with different tastes and not from me.
I wanted to know wich one was more neutral, but wasn't able find anything about it yet. Judging by these comments, I would say that the MS2 is more neutral.

Personnaly, I don't know wich one I would like better. Usually, I don't like headphones with big soundstage (hence my preference for Grados) because when I put headphones on my head, it's to hear my music more 
intimately.

I don't find the treble on the Grados fatiguing but I'm pretty sensitive to bass frequencies and I remember that when I had the Hifiman HE-400, I couldn't wear them for long because they had far too much bass for me. I just want the bass to be tight and fast, not deep.

Edit : grammar (my english is terrible).

The MS2i is a very neutral sounding headphone from my experience with once owning a pair.

By the way, they are excellent headphones. Iv'e never heard the PS 500, so I am not comparing the two, I'm just saying the MS2i is neutral.

post #7187 of 20295
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

The MS2i is a very neutral sounding headphone from my experience with once owning a pair.

By the way, they are excellent headphones. Iv'e never heard the PS 500, so I am not comparing the two, I'm just saying the MS2i is neutral.

 

Not sure about this.  Guitars sound wonderful on my PS500s.

post #7188 of 20295
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

The MS2i is a very neutral sounding headphone from my experience with once owning a pair.

By the way, they are excellent headphones. Iv'e never heard the PS 500, so I am not comparing the two, I'm just saying the MS2i is neutral.

I have demoed the MS2i at the shop, but not the PS500. I really am not sure which one i would like better since i thought the MS2i was really nice.

post #7189 of 20295
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Originally Posted by TwoTrack View Post

 

Not sure about this.  Guitars sound wonderful on my PS500s.

I wasn't comparing the two, Iv'e never heard the PS500, so I don't know what they sound like, I'm sure they sound great (their Grados), I was only saying that the MS 2i was a neutral sounding headphone, which also with beautiful sounding guitars.

post #7190 of 20295
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post


Much as I love Grados, I do not trust any audio review from Comsumer Reports.
Many years ago they reviewed a Bose system and gave them a lukewarm review.
Bose sued them, Consumer Reports lost. rolleyes.gif
I'm not too sure how anyone expects Consumer Reports to keep their objectivity after an outcome like that.
Which reminds me, I have another reason to dislike Bose! mad.gif

I think it's pretty darn cool that a general publication like CR rated grado's #1 and #2 respectively (80i and 60i). :)

 

CR still kicks a-- IMO. You can't expect them to win every single battle. They still don't accept advertising which is a pretty extraordinary feat IMO, esp. in this day and age. 

post #7191 of 20295
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Originally Posted by Moustache View Post

 

So what I know so far checking the internet :

- The PS500 has less soundstage, is more intimate sounding than the MS2.
- The PS500 has more bass, less treble. The PS500 is more warm sounding in general.
- The PS500 doesn't sound as good with guitars but is better with drums.
- The PS500 seems better with vocals.

Bear in mind that those opinions come from different persons with different tastes and not from me.
I wanted to know wich one was more neutral, but wasn't able find anything about it yet. Judging by these comments, I would say that the MS2 is more neutral.

Personnaly, I don't know wich one I would like better. Usually, I don't like headphones with big soundstage (hence my preference for Grados) because when I put headphones on my head, it's to hear my music more 
intimately.

I don't find the treble on the Grados fatiguing but I'm pretty sensitive to bass frequencies and I remember that when I had the Hifiman HE-400, I couldn't wear them for long because they had far too much bass for me. I just want the bass to be tight and fast, not deep.

Edit : grammar (my english is terrible).

If you're sensitive to bass then PS500s are not for you.

I would strongly recommend the RS1s. Slightly lighter in the bass region and very, very intimate indeed.

post #7192 of 20295

The RS1 will be my next jump then, thanks! As of now, I'm just in love with the MS2, if the RS1 and the MS PRO are quite similar, I might just end up getting the MS pro as I heard the MS were more neutral sounding.

post #7193 of 20295

Oddly though i found the MS2i to have a bigger soundstage than the MS Pro and also the MS Pro seems to be brighter.

post #7194 of 20295

Would you say that the MS pro is more harsh sounding in the treble than the MS2?

post #7195 of 20295
Not really so,but maybe, it is closer to a grado sound with more treble sparkle i feel.
post #7196 of 20295

Quick question , a while back I asked about some good amps for the Grado and several people suggested the LD Mk1+ hybrid amp. What I was wondering is, would an all tube amp (I am thinking about the LD MKIII) be as good or is there something in the mix of tube and solid state that really 'works' for the Grados. I just recently read a review of the Mk3 and it sounded like a tremendous amp. In addition to my Grado I will also be using it for my Sennhieser HD580's (think HD600). I know the mixture of a low impedance and high impedance phone makes the choice a little more difficult, or at least that is my impression.

post #7197 of 20295
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post

Quick question , a while back I asked about some good amps for the Grado and several people suggested the LD Mk1+ hybrid amp. What I was wondering is, would an all tube amp (I am thinking about the LD MKIII) be as good or is there something in the mix of tube and solid state that really 'works' for the Grados. I just recently read a review of the Mk3 and it sounded like a tremendous amp. In addition to my Grado I will also be using it for my Sennhieser HD580's (think HD600). I know the mixture of a low impedance and high impedance phone makes the choice a little more difficult, or at least that is my impression.

WA6 SE. I never tried it with hd600, but work well with rs1i and hd800 smily_headphones1.gif
post #7198 of 20295
Quote:
Quick question , a while back I asked about some good amps for the Grado and several people suggested the LD Mk1+ hybrid amp. What I was wondering is, would an all tube amp (I am thinking about the LD MKIII) be as good or is there something in the mix of tube and solid state that really 'works' for the Grados. I just recently read a review of the Mk3 and it sounded like a tremendous amp. In addition to my Grado I will also be using it for my Sennhieser HD580's (think HD600). I know the mixture of a low impedance and high impedance phone makes the choice a little more difficult, or at least that is my impression.

 

I don't know how much money you wanna spend on an headphone amp but The DSHA-1 by ECP audio is "designed for exceptional synergy with Grado headphones". Has anyone tried it here?


Edited by Moustache - 5/13/13 at 2:31am
post #7199 of 20295
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post

Quick question , a while back I asked about some good amps for the Grado and several people suggested the LD Mk1+ hybrid amp. What I was wondering is, would an all tube amp (I am thinking about the LD MKIII) be as good or is there something in the mix of tube and solid state that really 'works' for the Grados. I just recently read a review of the Mk3 and it sounded like a tremendous amp. In addition to my Grado I will also be using it for my Sennhieser HD580's (think HD600). I know the mixture of a low impedance and high impedance phone makes the choice a little more difficult, or at least that is my impression.

MAD EAR+HD.

Works very well with Senns and is one of the best for Grados.

post #7200 of 20295
Quote:
Originally Posted by HPiper View Post

Quick question , a while back I asked about some good amps for the Grado and several people suggested the LD Mk1+ hybrid amp. What I was wondering is, would an all tube amp (I am thinking about the LD MKIII) be as good or is there something in the mix of tube and solid state that really 'works' for the Grados. I just recently read a review of the Mk3 and it sounded like a tremendous amp. In addition to my Grado I will also be using it for my Sennhieser HD580's (think HD600). I know the mixture of a low impedance and high impedance phone makes the choice a little more difficult, or at least that is my impression.

It has to do with impedance matching of the amp and the headphones. Grados are all 32ohm, relatively low-Z. Pure tube, or OTL amps are generally better matched to higher impedance headphones. The Hybrid approach, like the I+ or Shiit Lyr gives you the warm coloration of a tube preamp, but the solid state opamps boost the power with a low impedance output better matched to the Grados.

 

Having said all of that, I tried a Little Dot MKIII, rated to work with 32ohm phones at the very bottom of the acceptable range, and thought it sounded great with my Grados. I have read that impedance mismatch can theoretically mess with bass response. That may be true, but my ears didn't hear it. I ended up with a I+ though because it was cheaper than the MKIII and both sounded equally great though slightly different.

 


Edited by pallentx - 5/13/13 at 8:16am
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