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post #6826 of 17434
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post

well, in my search for a second headphone, a backup, or compliment to the 225 or the ms1, i can cross of my list the senn hd518.

while not really bad, theses cans, well, sounded like cans. no immediacy, no "shine"

i hate to say it, because i really wanted to like them, but i know what folks mean about the sennheiser veil.

i'm sure this isn't true of all senns.

i liked the ad300, which is a discontinued model, that cost less than half of the 518's.

since i fill the need to have 2 headphones, it could be the 225 and ms1, or a different grado

i might be ruined for all the others !
 

 

one caveat, this is just based on the first hour or so listening, the 518 may benefit from some time to break in.

also, the 518 does sound really good on certain recordings, just not all

Have you had the chance to try the HD558 or 598? Cause the HD518 is just boomy and not very good in my opinion and lack depth in various ways. (including comfort too)
But won't push them, since it may be the case that you definitely love the exciting grado sound (these are not exciting, but smooth and relaxed) but they do make nice compliments, and i suggest you try them when you get a chance towink.gif (and HD650 too, or as many as possible lol)

post #6827 of 17434

I own the RS1i and I want an SR60 or SR80.....just so I can leave my RS1i's at home and use the 60's or 80's for on the go.....at their price range, if something happens to them I would not feel so bad.

post #6828 of 17434
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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post

Have you had the chance to try the HD558 or 598? Cause the HD518 is just boomy and not very good in my opinion and lack depth in various ways. (including comfort too)
But won't push them, since it may be the case that you definitely love the exciting grado sound (these are not exciting, but smooth and relaxed) but they do make nice compliments, and i suggest you try them when you get a chance towink.gif (and HD650 too, or as many as possible lol)


the comments i made concerning the 518 were very preliminary , and as i've put more hours on them, and listened more, my opinion has changed somewhat. the "canned" sound is pretty much gone, and i think i described the sound incorrectly. what i was hearing, or NOT hearing was the immediacy of the 225's. it was the difference in perceived soundstage. the grados put you on the stage, the 518's put you out front. they definitely have more low end than the grado's. i may still return the 518's, and try some 558's if i can find some used, refurbished, trying to stay around $100.

post #6829 of 17434
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Originally Posted by whirlwind View Post

I own the RS1i and I want an SR60 or SR80.....just so I can leave my RS1i's at home and use the 60's or 80's for on the go.....at their price range, if something happens to them I would not feel so bad.


i hear ya !!

post #6830 of 17434

Got the Alessandro MS-Pros......Sound Great, but stuff me they are uncomfortable. 

 

How can I improve the comfort without impacting sound quality? The comfy pads add a filter to the sound I don't like. 

post #6831 of 17434
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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

Got the Alessandro MS-Pros......Sound Great, but stuff me they are uncomfortable. 

How can I improve the comfort without impacting sound quality? The comfy pads add a filter to the sound I don't like. 
You can try stretching the headband to reduce the clamp they put on your head. Try to do this while holding the sides of the headband, not the earcups and also try it incrementally, so you won't overdo it.
post #6832 of 17434
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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

Got the Alessandro MS-Pros......Sound Great, but fuk me they are uncomfortable. 

How can I improve the comfort without impacting sound quality? The comfy pads add a filter to the sound I don't like. 
You can try stretching the headband to reduce the clamp they put on your head. Try to do this while holding the sides of the headband, not the earcups and also try it incrementally, so you won't overdo it.
post #6833 of 17434
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

I have a pair of iGrados that I use for work.

I work in an office.

I bought them over the SR-60i or SR-80i because the iGrados are much smaller (i.e. less geeky looking!).

They are less bright than SR-60i but are the best headphone I have ever heard for the money. Period. And I've tried out quite a few el cheapo headphones.

The iGrados replaced a pair of nice sounding Senn PX-100 ii which were lost.....@#$%! But I do prefer the iGrados.

 

YMMV.......'cos that's just my opinion! biggrin.gif

 

Very good news indeed.

 

Grado has changed the design; previously, you could mod them by removing an internal foam cover: doing so led to a sound signature similar if not identical to the 60i's.

 

Now they ship without the foam cover yet they still sound a bit darker. I suppose the only significant mod to be done now is to quarter mod or replace the pads altogether.

 

I suspect I will be happy with the SQ even without any modding, however.

post #6834 of 17434
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Originally Posted by WhiteCrow View Post

you may want to look for another brand. Grado's signature is Grado's signature; each headphone has it but the higher you go the better it is.  They are all just improvements over its lower models. Maybe look into some modding?

I agree about the grado signature. If you like it, go with the most $ pair you can IMO. It will be the same basic sound, just way more refined and detailed. At home I use Bifrost/Valhalla/RS1i, portable rig for traveling is Dragonfly/SR60. I don't feel the need for an "in between".
post #6835 of 17434
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post


the comments i made concerning the 518 were very preliminary , and as i've put more hours on them, and listened more, my opinion has changed somewhat. the "canned" sound is pretty much gone, and i think i described the sound incorrectly. what i was hearing, or NOT hearing was the immediacy of the 225's. it was the difference in perceived soundstage. the grados put you on the stage, the 518's put you out front. they definitely have more low end than the grado's. i may still return the 518's, and try some 558's if i can find some used, refurbished, trying to stay around $100.


 It can be done, I picked up some used 598's for $125, a little above your budget but close and a better headphone IMO. SO hang in there!

post #6836 of 17434

Hi all!

 

I bought a set of 225i's last year from a high end retailer.  I paid full price, but since they let me audition A LOT of gear without complaint, I figured I might as well buy something.

 

As far was 'cans go, I guess I'm a casual listener.  I also had a pair if HiFiman HE-5LE's, but the pain of upgrading all my source material and electronics to accomodate them was too much- I have to limit my obssessions.

 

Anyway, I finally had a chance to really take the 225i's for a long spin.  I had minor surgery, and found I had a couple of days without much else to do, so I read every post I could about them, and listened for about 12 hours total.  My main system is based around a Marantz SR-7002, with a Roku box, my computer and a Sony BDP-S370 as source material.  Strictly mid-fi, nothing spectacular.  Except perhaps the Marantz, which is one heck of a receiver.  I only used the headphone out (with the 5LE's I used a speaker tap)

 

In general, these cans are FUN.  Very engaging with no listening fatigue. They are not the most comfortable on my ears, but slight stretching of the headband and washing of the foal cubs helped out a lot.

 

I think I understand why some fold don't like Grado.  These are very, very revealing headphones.  Also, extremely source dependent.  Crappy CD's sound like crappy CD's.  Good material, such as Porcupine Tree and hi-rez downloads are spectacular. Blu-ray discs are a mixed bag, as I can hear all of the artificial processing in soundtracks such as Captain America.  What really strikes me is the quantity and quality of the bass.  I've spent years integrating my sub into my main system, and the Grado's deliver exactly what I'm looking for, which is refinement and realism.  I can't stand boomy or over-blown bass.  They aren't great for explosions in action movies, but otherwise dialogue seems natural.

 

 Well worth the $200 price tag. Anyway, just wanted to stop lurking and actually write something.  I'd comment more, but it's time to take the pain meds...

post #6837 of 17434
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Originally Posted by swspiers View Post

Hi all!

 

I bought a set of 225i's last year from a high end retailer.  I paid full price, but since they let me audition A LOT of gear without complaint, I figured I might as well buy something.

 

As far was 'cans go, I guess I'm a casual listener.  I also had a pair if HiFiman HE-5LE's, but the pain of upgrading all my source material and electronics to accomodate them was too much- I have to limit my obssessions.

 

Anyway, I finally had a chance to really take the 225i's for a long spin.  I had minor surgery, and found I had a couple of days without much else to do, so I read every post I could about them, and listened for about 12 hours total.  My main system is based around a Marantz SR-7002, with a Roku box, my computer and a Sony BDP-S370 as source material.  Strictly mid-fi, nothing spectacular.  Except perhaps the Marantz, which is one heck of a receiver.  I only used the headphone out (with the 5LE's I used a speaker tap)

 

In general, these cans are FUN.  Very engaging with no listening fatigue. They are not the most comfortable on my ears, but slight stretching of the headband and washing of the foal cubs helped out a lot.

 

I think I understand why some fold don't like Grado.  These are very, very revealing headphones.  Also, extremely source dependent.  Crappy CD's sound like crappy CD's.  Good material, such as Porcupine Tree and hi-rez downloads are spectacular. Blu-ray discs are a mixed bag, as I can hear all of the artificial processing in soundtracks such as Captain America.  What really strikes me is the quantity and quality of the bass.  I've spent years integrating my sub into my main system, and the Grado's deliver exactly what I'm looking for, which is refinement and realism.  I can't stand boomy or over-blown bass.  They aren't great for explosions in action movies, but otherwise dialogue seems natural.

 

 Well worth the $200 price tag. Anyway, just wanted to stop lurking and actually write something.  I'd comment more, but it's time to take the pain meds...


Good that you have your 225i's to keep you company,and nice review too!
do get better soon toogs1000.gif

post #6838 of 17434

Man, I really wish I had not come across this post!

 

Lots of reviewers (certainly not all) note that grado's are or at least can be, fatiguing for lots of listening sessions due to a treble emphasis.

 

Yet, your experience is quite different. Are you listening at lower volumes? Do you listen to a lot of music with less treble emphasis?

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by swspiers View Post

Hi all!

 

I bought a set of 225i's last year from a high end retailer.  I paid full price, but since they let me audition A LOT of gear without complaint, I figured I might as well buy something.

 

As far was 'cans go, I guess I'm a casual listener.  I also had a pair if HiFiman HE-5LE's, but the pain of upgrading all my source material and electronics to accomodate them was too much- I have to limit my obssessions.

 

Anyway, I finally had a chance to really take the 225i's for a long spin.  I had minor surgery, and found I had a couple of days without much else to do, so I read every post I could about them, and listened for about 12 hours total.  My main system is based around a Marantz SR-7002, with a Roku box, my computer and a Sony BDP-S370 as source material.  Strictly mid-fi, nothing spectacular.  Except perhaps the Marantz, which is one heck of a receiver.  I only used the headphone out (with the 5LE's I used a speaker tap)

 

In general, these cans are FUN.  Very engaging with no listening fatigue. They are not the most comfortable on my ears, but slight stretching of the headband and washing of the foal cubs helped out a lot.

 

I think I understand why some fold don't like Grado.  These are very, very revealing headphones.  Also, extremely source dependent.  Crappy CD's sound like crappy CD's.  Good material, such as Porcupine Tree and hi-rez downloads are spectacular. Blu-ray discs are a mixed bag, as I can hear all of the artificial processing in soundtracks such as Captain America.  What really strikes me is the quantity and quality of the bass.  I've spent years integrating my sub into my main system, and the Grado's deliver exactly what I'm looking for, which is refinement and realism.  I can't stand boomy or over-blown bass.  They aren't great for explosions in action movies, but otherwise dialogue seems natural.

 

 Well worth the $200 price tag. Anyway, just wanted to stop lurking and actually write something.  I'd comment more, but it's time to take the pain meds...

post #6839 of 17434

I know I'm a newbie here, posting maybe 5 times in 4 years.  But I am very exprerienced in other forms of audio- professional music-making and the other kinds of audio that involve big monkey-coffin sized boxes with huge drivers.

 

Based on that experience, my opinion is that the Gardos are extremely revealing, depending on the source.  While it's not audiophile by any means, I listened (watched) the opening of Season 3, Episode 1 of "The Walking Dead' on both Netfix and Amazon streaming, through the same Roku box. On Amazon- it was unbearably harsh.  On Netflix, it was thick, rich and fun to listen to.  Same primary source, same delivery source, two different providers.  I believe that the 225i's gave me what was there.  It's similar to what I've heard about the Benchmark DAC's, about them being thin and harsh.  I believe that a lot of material is mastered thinly and harshly, and accurate transducers get a bad reputation for doing so.  My bet is Amazon and Netflix are using slightly different compression and delivery technology.

 

Yes- the Grados are unbearable if the source has a lot of high-energy in the treble.  I will not be listening to a lot of 80's-produced CD's that were mastered in the first few generations of Redbook.  I will be listening to a lot of SACD and DVD-Audio along with hi-rez downloads.  Also,  I love my hearing.  I never blast anything unless it's my bass guitar rig, and even then I wear earplugs.

 

Please take this observation with a grain of salt. My experience level with 'cans is pretty limited.  I hope to change that from now on- I really enjoyed the past two days!

post #6840 of 17434

I read through some reviews very quickly, and many note that the 225's have a bit of treble roll-off compared to other grado's. This would be good for me.
 

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