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post #6586 of 18000
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Again though - I suspect the wildly varying differences are more personal preference and our own unique physical and mental idiosyncracies - rather than quality control issues at Grado.  We can agree to disagree anyway.

 

I know we had very big differences in the way you and I heard/appreciated the SR line.  Your preference for the 125i was at complete odds with mine.  But that's what makes this hobby interesting - listening to other's POVs and comparing them with your own.

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1. I'm with you on this one

 

2. Im with Biscuitz on my preference of the Sr125, well at least vs. the 225i (never heard the 325's).

post #6587 of 18000
IMO, there is no much difference from sr80 up to 225. The creme of the crop are from 325 up to ps series of grado lines of headphones. And for those cans that are affordable enough but does not suffer much in detail and musicality are the 325, rs series and ps500 cans. And I think i can bet you cannot go wrong about it. And my best preference would be either the rs1 and ps500. Been eyeing these two for a while. Auditioning may only be the way to choose from. Because I have never tested the ps500, so I have nothing to compare it, but the rs1 beat all the SR series easily, including the rs2.
post #6588 of 18000

It's hard for me to believe they could get away with such radical swings in quality without more backlash over the years. It seems to me high HP consumers are pretty critical of their products. I'm not saying it is out of the realm of possibility, but wouldn't you think such dramatic inconsistancies would dog them in terms of their reputation?

post #6589 of 18000
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

It's hard for me to believe they could get away with such radical swings in quality without more backlash over the years. It seems to me high HP consumers are pretty critical of their products. I'm not saying it is out of the realm of possibility, but wouldn't you think such dramatic inconsistancies would dog them in terms of their reputation?

Grado has, or at least had, a reputation for being somewhat liberal in their QC - not that I've heard about tons of DOA sets, but more that minor differences between individual models (or over the years) are certainly noted. I think it's more to do with their production style (they build batches, by hand), than anything else. I'm guessing that Biscutz and Brooko are both correct; there are variations between models that are potentially bigger than what you'd expect from say, Sony, but personal preference is also going to shape how those differences are acknowledged.

I mean, look at the RS-1 as an example; officially there have only been two variations: RS-1, and RS-1i. But there's a thread somewhere around here that shows all of the various production changes from 1996 to 2009, and there's certainly more than two. I don't think any of the changes should create a headphone that is not an RS-1, but OTOH I don't think if one were to go find an original 1996-1997 era RS-1 and compare it to a brand new 2013 RS-1i that they'd be 1:1 identical (as you could do with say, an MDR-V6 (in theory)).


Speaking of Grado pads - anyone tried stuffing a pair of bowls on an Audio-Technica ESW9? Any tips before I try it (or is it known not to work)? redface.gif
post #6590 of 18000
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

It's hard for me to believe they could get away with such radical swings in quality without more backlash over the years. It seems to me high HP consumers are pretty critical of their products. I'm not saying it is out of the realm of possibility, but wouldn't you think such dramatic inconsistancies would dog them in terms of their reputation?

Not sure if many people get to compare 2 identical models side by side, and since most of the people who don't like grados would probably say it is not for their taste instead of they got a bad pair, they may get away with quality fluctuations if they really do have fluctuation problems.

post #6591 of 18000
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post



Speaking of Grado pads - anyone tried stuffing a pair of bowls on an Audio-Technica ESW9? Any tips before I try it (or is it known not to work)? redface.gif

 

Sell the ESW-9s and get a pair of ESW-10s!  LOL!

 

 

BTW, why no iGrado love?

 

Signed,

a happy iGrado owner.


Edited by Chris J - 3/25/13 at 9:39am
post #6592 of 18000
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post


Grado has, or at least had, a reputation for being somewhat liberal in their QC - not that I've heard about tons of DOA sets, but more that minor differences between individual models (or over the years) are certainly noted. I think it's more to do with their production style (they build batches, by hand), than anything else. I'm guessing that Biscutz and Brooko are both correct; there are variations between models that are potentially bigger than what you'd expect from say, Sony, but personal preference is also going to shape how those differences are acknowledged.

I mean, look at the RS-1 as an example; officially there have only been two variations: RS-1, and RS-1i. But there's a thread somewhere around here that shows all of the various production changes from 1996 to 2009, and there's certainly more than two. I don't think any of the changes should create a headphone that is not an RS-1, but OTOH I don't think if one were to go find an original 1996-1997 era RS-1 and compare it to a brand new 2013 RS-1i that they'd be 1:1 identical (as you could do with say, an MDR-V6 (in theory)).


Speaking of Grado pads - anyone tried stuffing a pair of bowls on an Audio-Technica ESW9? Any tips before I try it (or is it known not to work)? redface.gif

Right on. And, to be clear, I'm not questioning Biscutz and Brooko's assessments.....more that I'm saying-as a potential consumer that it's discouraging. I really enjoy my 225i's but know that's not the end game for me.

 

I'm looking forward to my first and upcoming meet where I hope to audition the RS1 and 500 if they are available and maybe some of the HE line up.

 

Yeah-I'm just saying, if I really like the RS1 for example, I'm less confident my listening experience will sync with a unit I would actually purchase at a future time and I think that sucks!

 

Now, what I am looking forward to is carefully selecting a mix of tunes to make an audition playlsit on my Ipod!

 

Cheers 

post #6593 of 18000
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Sell the ESW-9s and get a pair of ESW-10s!  LOL!

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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

Right on. And, to be clear, I'm not questioning Biscutz and Brooko's assessments.....more that I'm saying-as a potential consumer that it's discouraging. I really enjoy my 225i's but know that's not the end game for me.

I'm looking forward to my first and upcoming meet where I hope to audition the RS1 and 500 if they are available and maybe some of the HE line up.

Yeah-I'm just saying, if I really like the RS1 for example, I'm less confident my listening experience will sync with a unit I would actually purchase at a future time and I think that sucks!

Now, what I am looking forward to is carefully selecting a mix of tunes to make an audition playlsit on my Ipod!

Cheers 

Yeah, I get the discouragement piece - and while I know it's out there, I've owned 3-4 pairs of Grados over the years, and auditioned many others; really don't feel bad about any of it. I'd say go for it - worst case you get a set that's DOA or you don't agree with how they sound, and you send'em back for replacement or refund. redface.gif
post #6594 of 18000
My MS2i is out for delivery status.. =)
post #6595 of 18000
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

My MS2i is out for delivery status.. =)

Definitely keep us posted on your impressions of the MS2i, I'm very curious to know if it is what you were looking for!

BTW, what are you going to power them up with ?

post #6596 of 18000
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

Definitely keep us posted on your impressions of the MS2i, I'm very curious to know if it is what you were looking for!

BTW, what are you going to power them up with ?

I just hooked it up to my Audioengine D1 using my iMac /iTunes Apple lossless file.   Equalizer off.   I went to some CD (Eric Clapton , Boyzone ,  Christopher Cross , Chaka-khan. etc)

 

Holly Batman ! Definitely has a better soundstage than the RS325is.  I love the presentation. It feels more 3D sound , kindda like moving you farther from the singer.  I would say 2-3 rows down from the 325is (front of stage) and about 5 -6 rows away from the PS500s (Back of stage)  

 

The soundstage is definitely not small studio like setting of the 325is.  There is this hint of echo or hall effect , makes the sound wider (but not tube- like, like the ps500s) about half of the PS500s soundstage.   Mid bass is better too!  The PS500 sub bass overpowers the mids and highs, but the Ms2i seems all balance. Mid bass is there and it does not cut off fast as the SR325is.  Mids and highs are pretty clear.   

 

I would say, the 325is has a bit more details, though.  When Eric Clapton pluck the guitar strings,  I could hardly hear that string vibration. (Reverberation) , unlike the 325is .

 

I might miss the  PS500s sub bass, but I am very impress overall!    I am definitely keeping the MS2i.    I think you guys need to consider the Alessandro model too!  

 

BTW,  I am using a cheap Radioshack  $7 1/4 to 1/8 adapter, since my Grado adapter has not arrived yet from the mail.

 

This is my initial impression though.   I need more listening time.....

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Awgd8 - 3/25/13 at 2:08pm
post #6597 of 18000

Thought you would really like these headphones from what you said you where looking for. And you are right about the 3d (the depth of the music), is very nice on them, which I forgot to mention. I really thought they where amazing, but like you mention, the higher frequencies are not as clear as the 325is, which is what I prefer. Like I mentioned, if I was looking for that mellower sound I never would have traded them. Glad you like them, also give them some break in and you will love them even more!

Congratulations, enjoy

post #6598 of 18000
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

 

I might miss the  PS500s sub bass, but I am very impress overall!    I am definitely keeping the MS2i.    I think you guys need to consider the Alessandro model too!  

 

BTW,  I am using a cheap Radioshack  $7 1/4 to 1/8 adapter, since my Grado adapter has not arrived yet from the mail.

 

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IME, the PS500 "sub bass" is just more mid-bass than the 325is and please let us know if the Grado adaptor sounds better than the ratscrap.

 

Congratulations!

post #6599 of 18000
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

Thought you would really like these headphones from what you said you where looking for. And you are right about the 3d (the depth of the music), is very nice on them, which I forgot to mention. I really thought they where amazing, but like you mention, the higher frequencies are not as clear as the 325is, which is what I prefer. Like I mentioned, if I was looking for that mellower sound I never would have traded them. Glad you like them, also give them some break in and you will love them even more!

Congratulations, enjoy

Thanks! I really appreciate those MS2i info...  You were right! It`s a keeper... =)

 

I went back (after dinner) and played more CD.  I am 100% sure now that the MS2i has a better mid-bass that lingers longer than the fast mid-bass of the RS325is.  All songs that I played, I would not want to add more mid bass into it.. It is just so perfectly balance.   

 

It is pretty close to the PS500s , than any Grado phones I`ve heard,  but without the heavy mid-bass and the tube like soundstage...  

 

I would say the MS2i has 1/4 less mid-bass (give or take) than the PS500s and 5 rows closer to the sound source or just remove that tube like soundstage.  When I had the PS500s,  I would want to crank that bass a quarter down, so that my mids and highs blend well.   ---- Now the Ms2i did it for me.... =)

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Awgd8 - 3/25/13 at 6:13pm
post #6600 of 18000
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Originally Posted by bbophead View Post

IME, the PS500 "sub bass" is just more mid-bass than the 325is and please let us know if the Grado adaptor sounds better than the ratscrap.

 

Congratulations!

Thanks!

 

Yes, mid bass...  =)  

 

Does the Grado adapter really make a big difference?  ;-) 

 

Will see...

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