or Connect
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Grado Fan Club!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Grado Fan Club! - Page 438

post #6556 of 27783

I can definitly say that my 325is sounds better and better the more hours I put on them, they have opened up and the bass has tightened up and the mids became more forward and they became much more detailed over some time and  sound more natural and the highs are smoother. 

post #6557 of 27783
Quote:
Originally Posted by myears View Post

Sorry but, from my little experience with the sr80i and the sr325i, returning Grado heaphones after one or two weeks seems lame whether it's the case that they need a burn or the fact that you get used to their signature instead (after a month or so).

 

 

There is a Grado authorized dealer in Illinois (Evanston) that carries all Grado headphone models from SR60i to PS1000.  I demoed everything ...  I went back there 6 times.

I love that store since they have a 90 days no questions ask return policy.  If I like the RS1i from the very start, I could have given it a chance to use it for a month, but my right ear cannot handle it for 30minutes.  

 

The best way to demo a phone is to bring your favorite Cd and A/B them and take note of bass , mids  and highs( score them between 1-10).  Then make a top 3 list of your favorite phone that match your preference.  Go back there again in a week and demo it again.

I went there 6 times.  I was lucky enough to have access to demo these great phones.

I could tell it in 15 minutes if a Grado phone match my preference.  It just hard to tell which one to pick from my top 3 lists, that is why it took me 5 more times to demo it... =)

 

My point is, if the phone sucks within 15 minutes, it will not get better during the burn in.  

I am just talking about Grado phones here.  When I say " sucks" I meant not my preferred sound signature.  Why force it?  

post #6558 of 27783
Quote:
Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

I can definitly say that my 325is sounds better and better the more hours I put on them, they have opened up and the bass has tightened up and the mids became more forward and they became much more detailed over some time and  sound more natural and the highs are smoother. 

I had the same experience with the Sr325is, I love the sound signature the first time i listened to it.  Eventhough, most people say it is harsh.  For me , it is one of the best sounding phone that I had listened to.  (Acoustic , vocals ...) It gets better as it burns in.

It wont get better if this is not your ideal sound signature from the very start as I have been telling the newbies...

post #6559 of 27783

Been following the conversation with interest.  I haven't had the pleasure of listening to the RS1i or RS2i - so can't contribute much to the conversation on those.  I have however heard all the SR(i) series as well as owning the MS1i (gateway to my love of the Grado sound sig).  I also cannot understand the comments regarding the 325i (piercing).  I've never found it sibilant or painful (even after long listening sessions).  I have found it to be crystal clear, energetic and alive.  It remains my 'fun' can - and I still use it most days.

 

The one thing (sonically) I have done with the 325i was to woody (fwj) it, as well as adding 2 holes to each driver.  The bass (for me) now is perfect.  Great slam without being muddy.  They are also very light and comfortable, and the mid range is excellent.

 

I noticed Biscuitz talked about the inconsistencies of Grado drivers affecting the varied opinions - but I think it is more to do with individual hearing and preference.  I like a nice clear top-end (current cans K701, DT880, SR325i).  Others don't.  IMO - the only way to decide what you like in the Grado line is to demo them for yourself.  I could have stopped with an SR225i and been completely happy.  But I'm glad I eventually went 325i (especially the woody).

 

Love these cans wink.gif

post #6560 of 27783

I've been reading this discussion. When I tested out headphones ranging from $300 to almost $2000, I thought the cheapest headphones that made great sound were the RS2s at $500, the RS1s weren't too different all in all. I thought the Sennheiser HD700/800 sounded a bit cold/sterile, whereas the HE500 sounded overly warm and fuzzy (I can't adequately describe it).

 

The SR325 sounded nice and clean, but highs were far too loud, and the low end as lacking. The RS2 had a good low end, and the highs were turned down just a touch. With the PS500, the lows were cranked up further and highs turned down even more. I thought these were the best headphones, and made music come alive and be more enjoyable than any other pair of headphones I heard.

 

I guess my point is I feel the RS2s and PS500s deliver the best sound overall even comparing to the top Sennheisers or Hifiman's. I don't know why anyone would dislike the high end Grado's compared to high end offerings from other companies. They make everything sound amazing. 

post #6561 of 27783
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Been following the conversation with interest.  I haven't had the pleasure of listening to the RS1i or RS2i - so can't contribute much to the conversation on those.  I have however heard all the SR(i) series as well as owning the MS1i (gateway to my love of the Grado sound sig).  I also cannot understand the comments regarding the 325i (piercing).  I've never found it sibilant or painful (even after long listening sessions).  I have found it to be crystal clear, energetic and alive.  It remains my 'fun' can - and I still use it most days.

 

The one thing (sonically) I have done with the 325i was to woody (fwj) it, as well as adding 2 holes to each driver.  The bass (for me) now is perfect.  Great slam without being muddy.  They are also very light and comfortable, and the mid range is excellent.

 

I noticed Biscuitz talked about the inconsistencies of Grado drivers affecting the varied opinions - but I think it is more to do with individual hearing and preference.  I like a nice clear top-end (current cans K701, DT880, SR325i).  Others don't.  IMO - the only way to decide what you like in the Grado line is to demo them for yourself.  I could have stopped with an SR225i and been completely happy.  But I'm glad I eventually went 325i (especially the woody).

 

Love these cans wink.gif

 

Very good point. The Grado lineup, being a SR, RS or PS do IMO all sound very differently and particular with different genre's of music and it is all a matter of personal preferences which one is for you or maybe not at all. They emphasize certain areas in the frequency/soundstage presentation, without loosing the "traditional" Grado sound, but certainly an individual choice which coloration anyone would prefer..

 

I have one of each, SR80, RS2i, PS500, so I'm covered :-) I often use them for different type of music, depending on my mood or how I want to hear my preferred music at a certain moment in time, it all sways..

post #6562 of 27783
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

Look forward to the MS2i impressions, Awgd8! I am thinking about picking one up soon, myself.

As for the RS1i thing, it doesn't surprise me based on my experience with Grado headphones. Unfortunately, there seems to be fairly drastic product inconsistency in the Grado lineups. I feel about 90% certain that this very product inconsistency makes up a large portion of the strikingly different impressions by different people.

As for my own experience, I recently demoed a SR225i at the local Grado retailer, and it had way more bass presence than the SR225i I used to own. It was really warm sounding... Also, I have heard three different pairs of RS1i's. One of them sounded rather distant and pleasant, very smooth and less engaging than the Prestige Series. I liked it though, as it had quite the soundstage - better than the PS500 I compared it to. Then another RS1i was the exact opposite! It was ruthlessly up-front in presentation, with a rather cramped soundstage and very fatiguing sound. When A/Bing, I preferred the SR60i with L-Cush pads simply because it was a less assaulting listen. The third RS1i I heard, I swear, sounded in between those two. But, unfortunately it had an issue of channel imbalance which made any critical listening difficult.

For these reasons, it's so hard to recommend specific Grado models to people. It's why I usually recommend the SR60i / SR80i with L-Cush pads, as they're the least expensive and therefore the safest choices in a brand seemingly riddled with product inconsistency.

On that note, I truly believe it's a crapshoot in terms of choosing between the RS1i and RS2i. I'd wager that for people who preferred the RS2i, if they were to re-do their comparisons with another set of RS1i's and RS2i's, impressions might differ. For what it's worth (which may not be much), my impressions of the RS1i and RS2i are that the RS1i is the better buy.

The RS1i has better bass in my experience, and the RS2i struggled more with sibilance than the RS1i.But, yeah.

That was my experience, exactly, between the RS1i and the RS2i, but it was subtle enough that I couldn't justify the extra cost.

Still loving my RS2i cans.
post #6563 of 27783
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Been following the conversation with interest.  I haven't had the pleasure of listening to the RS1i or RS2i - so can't contribute much to the conversation on those.  I have however heard all the SR(i) series as well as owning the MS1i (gateway to my love of the Grado sound sig).  I also cannot understand the comments regarding the 325i (piercing).  I've never found it sibilant or painful (even after long listening sessions).  I have found it to be crystal clear, energetic and alive.  It remains my 'fun' can - and I still use it most days.

 

The one thing (sonically) I have done with the 325i was to woody (fwj) it, as well as adding 2 holes to each driver.  The bass (for me) now is perfect.  Great slam without being muddy.  They are also very light and comfortable, and the mid range is excellent.

 

I noticed Biscuitz talked about the inconsistencies of Grado drivers affecting the varied opinions - but I think it is more to do with individual hearing and preference.  I like a nice clear top-end (current cans K701, DT880, SR325i).  Others don't.  IMO - the only way to decide what you like in the Grado line is to demo them for yourself.  I could have stopped with an SR225i and been completely happy.  But I'm glad I eventually went 325i (especially the woody).

 

Love these cans wink.gif

Certainly preference does play a large part in how one person likes a given headphone over another in the lineup. I'm just trying to expose the possibility that it's not purely preference that determines why one person likes the SR225i more than the SR325i, and vice versa. The same person might "choose" either headphone on separate occasions due to product inconsistency. If this is the case, it becomes extremely difficult to recommend specific headphones in the Grado lineup, and you hit it on the nose - "the only way to decide what you like in the Grado line is to demo them for yourself."

 

I used to assume product consistency when I first got into headphones, especially Grados. But with the Grado brand, more so than other brands, I would read impressions of given models that contradicted other impressions, and my own impressions, time and time again. I used to swallow the "it's preference" pill, but multiple instances of polar opposite impressions has led me to conclude there is just no way that one person is hearing the same headphone in the exact opposite manner, in multiple instances. Keep in mind, I'm talking about sound impressions, not preferences. That is, objective evaluation versus subjective disposition. I get that people can have subjective dispositions that are wildly different from others - someone can be more disposed to a bright sound (myself) than a dark sound. But that same person can still objectively evaluate a headphone as being bright or dark, regardless of preference!

 

Here's the thread where I talked about my listening impressions of the entire Prestige Series lineup. Post #15 is where I reply to someone whose experience was the absolute opposite of mine. Keep in mind, we're talking about a headphone's frequency balance, a discussion of objective observation rather than subjective preference.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/627634/the-oft-overshadowed-sr125i-my-favorite-prestige-series-model-whats-your-favorite#post_8719310

 

This is where I really started to suspect that not just preference was playing a part in the wildly varying opinions of Grado headphones.

post #6564 of 27783

That is a problem if in fact the quality control at Grado is such that three sets of the same headphone may sound considerably different from one another, then even if you go to a store and audition a pair of, say, 325i's and think these things are great and buy a pair. Once you get them home the ones you got may not sound the same as what you heard in the store. I don't have an answer for that. I wonder if that isn't so uncommon among all headphone manufacturers, or at least a fair number of them.
 

post #6565 of 27783

@Biscuitz

I'd suspect a difference in pads and position on head would play more a part than actual driver differences.  I'm guessing you've pad rolled quite a bit?  I've tried comfies, bowls, flats, jumbos, and inverted senn 414s.  All create quite a change to the base signature (as well as the bass signature wink.gif).  Because of the nature of their build - I'd guess differences in pads would play more of a difference than driver.  I know that recently putting a new set of bowls on my 325i changed the overall sig quite a bit (compared to the old pads).  So much so that I immediately washed and tried to soften the new bowls.

 

Again though - I suspect the wildly varying differences are more personal preference and our own unique physical and mental idiosyncracies - rather than quality control issues at Grado.  We can agree to disagree anyway.

 

I know we had very big differences in the way you and I heard/appreciated the SR line.  Your preference for the 125i was at complete odds with mine.  But that's what makes this hobby interesting - listening to other's POVs and comparing them with your own.

beerchug.gif

post #6566 of 27783
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Again though - I suspect the wildly varying differences are more personal preference and our own unique physical and mental idiosyncracies - rather than quality control issues at Grado.  We can agree to disagree anyway.

 

I know we had very big differences in the way you and I heard/appreciated the SR line.  Your preference for the 125i was at complete odds with mine.  But that's what makes this hobby interesting - listening to other's POVs and comparing them with your own.

beerchug.gif

1. I'm with you on this one

 

2. Im with Biscuitz on my preference of the Sr125, well at least vs. the 225i (never heard the 325's).

post #6567 of 27783
IMO, there is no much difference from sr80 up to 225. The creme of the crop are from 325 up to ps series of grado lines of headphones. And for those cans that are affordable enough but does not suffer much in detail and musicality are the 325, rs series and ps500 cans. And I think i can bet you cannot go wrong about it. And my best preference would be either the rs1 and ps500. Been eyeing these two for a while. Auditioning may only be the way to choose from. Because I have never tested the ps500, so I have nothing to compare it, but the rs1 beat all the SR series easily, including the rs2.
post #6568 of 27783

It's hard for me to believe they could get away with such radical swings in quality without more backlash over the years. It seems to me high HP consumers are pretty critical of their products. I'm not saying it is out of the realm of possibility, but wouldn't you think such dramatic inconsistancies would dog them in terms of their reputation?

post #6569 of 27783
Quote:
Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

It's hard for me to believe they could get away with such radical swings in quality without more backlash over the years. It seems to me high HP consumers are pretty critical of their products. I'm not saying it is out of the realm of possibility, but wouldn't you think such dramatic inconsistancies would dog them in terms of their reputation?

Grado has, or at least had, a reputation for being somewhat liberal in their QC - not that I've heard about tons of DOA sets, but more that minor differences between individual models (or over the years) are certainly noted. I think it's more to do with their production style (they build batches, by hand), than anything else. I'm guessing that Biscutz and Brooko are both correct; there are variations between models that are potentially bigger than what you'd expect from say, Sony, but personal preference is also going to shape how those differences are acknowledged.

I mean, look at the RS-1 as an example; officially there have only been two variations: RS-1, and RS-1i. But there's a thread somewhere around here that shows all of the various production changes from 1996 to 2009, and there's certainly more than two. I don't think any of the changes should create a headphone that is not an RS-1, but OTOH I don't think if one were to go find an original 1996-1997 era RS-1 and compare it to a brand new 2013 RS-1i that they'd be 1:1 identical (as you could do with say, an MDR-V6 (in theory)).


Speaking of Grado pads - anyone tried stuffing a pair of bowls on an Audio-Technica ESW9? Any tips before I try it (or is it known not to work)? redface.gif
post #6570 of 27783
Quote:
Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

It's hard for me to believe they could get away with such radical swings in quality without more backlash over the years. It seems to me high HP consumers are pretty critical of their products. I'm not saying it is out of the realm of possibility, but wouldn't you think such dramatic inconsistancies would dog them in terms of their reputation?

Not sure if many people get to compare 2 identical models side by side, and since most of the people who don't like grados would probably say it is not for their taste instead of they got a bad pair, they may get away with quality fluctuations if they really do have fluctuation problems.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Grado Fan Club!