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Could you use a regular 30 pin LOD with the converter?

Not sure yet, but anyhow, I am buying it next week (e17) and if it does not work, I will use my wife Ipad2 temporarily until apple release a lightning to 3.5mm connector.

My budget for the DAC/AMP is only $150 , are there any better DAC/Amp combo that is better than FIio E17 ?


I don't know, I DIY most of my amps and DACs, others would know better.

post #5462 of 17249
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See. this is why headphone measurements can be such bullsh*t.  I've owned both and I can ASSURE you that the PS500 is NOT10db hotter than the 325is.  One can "just" hear the difference.  I'm also pretty sure that 10dB does not quite equal 10x.  Not a real big fan of Tyll, but then, I LIKE Grados.blink.gif   

I didn't say 10 dB, I said nearly, it's like 8-9 dB, which is kind of a weird zone. As far as 10 dB being 10x - it is (absolutely), but that doesn't mean it sounds 10x louder, it means it sounds about twice as loud. This isn't a case of measurements being "bull" - they're somewhat more sensitive, and 8-9 dB would be about right for that (1-2 dB wouldn't be perceptible, 10 dB would be around "twice" (which is fairly minimal)). This is based on lots of experience with speakers more than anything else.

Here's some more information:
http://trace.wisc.edu/docs/2004-About-dB/

 

 

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See. this is why headphone measurements can be such bullsh*t.  I've owned both and I can ASSURE you that the PS500 is NOT10db hotter than the 325is.  One can "just" hear the difference.  I'm also pretty sure that 10dB does not quite equal 10x.  Not a real big fan of Tyll, but then, I LIKE Grados.blink.gif   

I didn't say 10 dB, I said nearly, it's like 8-9 dB, which is kind of a weird zone. As far as 10 dB being 10x - it is (absolutely), but that doesn't mean it sounds 10x louder, it means it sounds about twice as loud. This isn't a case of measurements being "bull" - they're somewhat more sensitive, and 8-9 dB would be about right for that (1-2 dB wouldn't be perceptible, 10 dB would be around "twice" (which is fairly minimal)). This is based on lots of experience with speakers more than anything else.

Here's some more information:
http://trace.wisc.edu/docs/2004-About-dB/

You seem to want to argue about my perception of the difference in loudness between the 325is and 500

 

After fifty years, as I have had, I'm sure you've had just as much experieince with speakers.

 

 When you write "10x", I guess you don't mean ten times.  Is that correct?  So what does "x" mean if it doesn't mean ten times?

 

 BTW, you did not write "nearly", you wrote "not quite".  You parce it out.

 

I stand by what I wrote.  It was just perceptible.  Was it 1-2dB or was it "not quite" 10dB?  

 

No p*ssing contest intended.  I think I described the differences accurately.  

 

This is silly.

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You seem to want to argue about my perception of the difference in loudness between the 325is and 500

Do I ever want to argue? rolleyes.gif
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 When you write "10x", I guess you don't mean ten times.  Is that correct?  So what does "x" mean if it doesn't mean ten times?

10x means 10 times, I do use "x" to signify multiplication. 10 dB is 10 times, that's how the dB scale works. There is no "subjective re-interpretation" of that. It's just a log scale that measures intensity as a relationship.

Maybe this will help:
http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/dB.htm

Wikipedia also has a nice chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel
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 BTW, you did not write "nearly", you wrote "not quite".  You parce it out.

This isn't a political debate, there is no "gotcha" with wordplay. Nearly, not quite, who gives a hoot? The difference is measured to be less than 10 dB (and nobody has said otherwise afaik), it's just under 9 dB. But that's intensity, not loudness. There is a (big) difference. Ten-fold increases in intensity roughly correlate to a two-fold increase in perceived loudness, and we're talking about less than that. Like I said, weird zone. How do you quantify "less than double but more than where you started" reasonably? It's a fraction - so the easiest answer is "yeah we can notice it - but it isn't twice as loud" - it's not a big enough deal that we should write home about it, but it's worth taking note when considering amplifier noise and tracking (as mentioned previously) - more sensitive will be less forgiving in that regard. But they're not *insanely* sensitive (like say, the DT48A.00 (because if you weren't deaf before, we can fix that!)).
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Was it 1-2dB or was it "not quite" 10dB?  

From measurement data, it's just under 9 dB of additional sensitivity. Which would agree with your subjective impressions. What's the problem?

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This is silly.

Truly. You're getting up in a huff because someone agreed with you. confused_face_2.gif

Nobody is trying to take your cans away man, nobody is saying they're bad, and nobody is trying to hurt or defame you (least of all me). The data actually agree with exactly what you're saying here...I really fail to see what the problem is. redface.gif
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Truly. You're getting up in a huff because someone agreed with you. confused_face_2.gif
 

 

I think this is the part I'm hung up on lol....I thought you were agreeing, and then it turned into a semantics issue. 

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The Musical Fidelity V-CAN II looks nice, can you recommend a similarly priced DAC to go with it? The ODAC is the same price, but doesn't look to match the look of the V-CAN II, part of wanting the O2+ODAC in one box was to save on RCA cables too, not sure if RCA cables do in-fact change the sound though, but surely they just add more pieces to the puzzle.

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The Musical Fidelity V-CAN II looks nice, can you recommend a similarly priced DAC to go with it? The ODAC is the same price, but doesn't look to match the look of the V-CAN II, part of wanting the O2+ODAC in one box was to save on RCA cables too, not sure if RCA cables do in-fact change the sound though, but surely they just add more pieces to the puzzle.


I'm not 100% on this, but I think Musical Fidelity makes an all-in-one DAC and amp.

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I'm not 100% on this, but I think Musical Fidelity makes an all-in-one DAC and amp.

AFAIK the entry level MF DACs (V-DAC and V-DAC MKII) do not include headphone amp. 

If you are only using your PC/Mac as your source I 2nd the recommendation for the Audioengine A1, that's what I use..

The HRT Headstreamer is another excellent DAC/amp that gets little mention here and outperforms its looks/price.

The HRT products are very well engineered and made in California. Excellent company.

I chose the A1 over the Headstreamer because it has line out RCA connectors so it functions as a pre-amp for my powered desktop speakers. 

Importantly both run off of your computer's USB power and do not require a power cord or power supply.

I would consider the above 2 if I only used the PC as source. 

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I'm not 100% on this, but I think Musical Fidelity makes an all-in-one DAC and amp.

AFAIK the entry level MF DACs (V-DAC and V-DAC MKII) do not include headphone amp. 

If you are only using your PC/Mac as your source I 2nd the recommendation for the Audioengine A1, that's what I use..

The HRT Headstreamer is another excellent DAC/amp that gets little mention here and outperforms its looks/price.

The HRT products are very well engineered and made in California. Excellent company.

I chose the A1 over the Headstreamer because it has line out RCA connectors so it functions as a pre-amp for my powered desktop speakers. 

Importantly both run off of your computer's USB power and do not require a power cord or power supply.

I would consider the above 2 if I only used the PC as source. 


Ya, I looked and realized I was incorrect. I think I was thinking of the Music Hall, but that's a bit more expensive. I also think Pro-Ject has one. I just found a tube-based HiFiMan on Amazon. There's also Audio-gd.

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Some others to consider;

Firestone Fubar, Spitfire, and ILTW.
Audio-Tehcnica AT-HA25 and 26D
CIA VDA-2 (and VHP-2 if you want it to match, I like the MF amp better though).
MF V-DAC and M1 (this is a combo unit)
Asus Xonar Essence ONE
Creative X-Fi HD USB

Plus all the mentioned others.
post #5470 of 17249
Hi All

I Am Grado fanboy , i have Grado HF 2 First batch and Alessandro Grado MS pro .
Yesterday i just Bought Grado GS 1000 i

I Wonder why In head Fi do not have thread For Grado GS 1000 i ?

I have found Only Short Mini review :

http://www.head-fi.org/t/569895/mini-review-grado-gs1000i

http://www.head-fi.org/t/425570/gs-1000i-review
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I didn't care much for RS-2, RS-2i, and 225i but have recently picked up an old pair of 325 and it's pretty darn good.  Have been listening to some Miles with them and the trumpets aren't nearly as bad as I was expecting.  Bass is also fairly clean.

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Focker, my Grado PS500s didn't even get through customs, I got mail this morning telling me the item is being returned, I have no idea why, the letter told me absolutely no other information. The seller I bought from has given me a refund though, and in a spit possible silliness I bought a pair of heavily modified T50RPs on the for sale forum, and apparently it's an extremely dark pair too, but it looked so pretty confused_face.gif.

 

Grado really need to sort out their European prices, they're literally double the price here, $1,100 for a pair of PS500s.

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Focker, my Grado PS500s didn't even get through customs, I got mail this morning telling me the item is being returned, I have no idea why, the letter told me absolutely no other information. The seller I bought from has given me a refund though, and in a spit possible silliness I bought a pair of heavily modified T50RPs on the for sale forum, and apparently it's an extremely dark pair too, but it looked so pretty confused_face.gif.

 

Grado really need to sort out their European prices, they're literally double the price here, $1,100 for a pair of PS500s.

 

Whoa! I did get my PS500's for 649€ (~518£) from here Finland, so not quite as cheap as overseas, but still not near to $1,100. The prices there seriously need sorting.

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Whoa! I did get my PS500's for 649€ (~518£) from here Finland, so not quite as cheap as overseas, but still not near to $1,100. The prices there seriously need sorting.

 

From Amazon they're just a touch under $1,000, in most other places they're $1,100, and the RRP is a staggering $1,250, my first pair of Grados were SR80is from Amazon, almost $200.

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Hi All
I Am Grado fanboy , i have Grado HF 2 First batch and Alessandro Grado MS pro .
Yesterday i just Bought Grado GS 1000 i
I Wonder why In head Fi do not have thread For Grado GS 1000 i ?
I have found Only Short Mini review :
http://www.head-fi.org/t/569895/mini-review-grado-gs1000i
http://www.head-fi.org/t/425570/gs-1000i-review

 

It's not often that peoples will openly admit to beeing fanboys,so i guess you deserve some credit for admiting to it,as for threads regarding the GS1000is,i'm not surprised since they're probably the least loved Grados. 

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