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I agree with the notion that the GS1ks are more of a "different" Grado sound than a flagship type sound. I will admit that they have grown on me and I actually am enjoying them quite a bit, but I still give the edge to the 500s. I love that you were firing up some vinyl, Stacker....I've been in the research phase of an analog system since I've never had one...it's really been an education. I'm hoping to add a vinyl source here in the coming months, and a big part of the reason why is because Grado's cartridges are arguably better than even their headphones....so I'd love to have another excuse to send them some money. I'm not all that close to pulling the trigger yet, but I enjoy reading about those who are pairing vinyl and headphones....especially Grados :)

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I agree with the notion that the GS1ks are more of a "different" Grado sound than a flagship type sound. I will admit that they have grown on me and I actually am enjoying them quite a bit, but I still give the edge to the 500s. I love that you were firing up some vinyl, Stacker....I've been in the research phase of an analog system since I've never had one...it's really been an education. I'm hoping to add a vinyl source here in the coming months, and a big part of the reason why is because Grado's cartridges are arguably better than even their headphones....so I'd love to have another excuse to send them some money. I'm not all that close to pulling the trigger yet, but I enjoy reading about those who are pairing vinyl and headphones....especially Grados :)


I would argue that there are better carts out there than Grado, but they do have their merits.

post #5463 of 26121
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I would argue that there are better carts out there than Grado, but they do have their merits.

 

Well, yeah, but people say the same thing about their headphones....I just can't help but be curious if their carts have the same appeal to me as their headphones do, you know? 

post #5464 of 26121
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Well, yeah, but people say the same thing about their headphones....I just can't help but be curious if their carts have the same appeal to me as their headphones do, you know? 

Well, they'll certainly match with your GS-1000:
http://www.gradolabs.com/page_cartridges.php?item=6cab761eea50a3a98932b3273d71af67
http://gradolabs.com/page_cartridges.php?item=53b517f77e1e353e24b10a8844ca504c

Wood. Lots of wood.
post #5465 of 26121
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Well, yeah, but people say the same thing about their headphones....I just can't help but be curious if their carts have the same appeal to me as their headphones do, you know? 

Well, they'll certainly match with your GS-1000:
http://www.gradolabs.com/page_cartridges.php?item=6cab761eea50a3a98932b3273d71af67
http://gradolabs.com/page_cartridges.php?item=53b517f77e1e353e24b10a8844ca504c

Wood. Lots of wood.


Their carts use a totally different system than any other brand, they're moving iron as opposed to moving coil or magnet. I would say that for the same money, a really good moving magnet or high output moving coil would likely sound better. The new Ortofon 2M series gets incredible marks, as do things like the Dynavector. I love the now discontinued Dennon 160, which can be sent to Soundsmith for retipping, and basically they turn it into a new, even better cart. I think that once upon a time, the Grado line was probably about the best of the best, and it still is spectacular, but other, newer offerings have them beat. Also, Grados don't play nicely on many direct drive decks, where they pick up noise, so you need to make sure that your deck is Grado-friendly. For example, the venerable Technics SL-1200 cannot take a Grado, else the result will be pretty terrible. You also need to make sure the compliance of whatever cart you get plays nicely with the compliance of your arm.

 

Before you make any decisions, I would advise you to call the needle doctor (needledoctor.com) to talk about what would pair best with your deck and your arm. Also, check the vinyl engine (vinylengine.com). The vinyl engine will provide all of the equations for determining which cart to use. Some carts and arms are designed and work best with different alignments, that is discussed there, as well as printable diagrams for the alignments, they also have printable strobe-disks. Easily the best vinyl site around.

 

So, while I appreciate the analogy to their cans, and the subjectivity therein, I think it's rather apples to oranges. Grado carts are good, but at the same price point, there are other carts that work with more decks, and sound better at the same time. There is so much that goes into a good sounding deck, and Grados agree with only a slim number of those decks.


Edited by scootsit - 11/8/12 at 10:05pm
post #5466 of 26121
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I would agree. The GSK are a good headphone, but they aren't really an "improvement" on the Grado sound, more of a change to it. I think that's the problem though, is that Grado sets them up as the "best headphone they know how to make" not as "here's something different for your consideration." If that were explained, and they were at parity with the RS-1 pricing (or if there was a less expensive version, like how there's a PS-500 and PS-1000, why not have a GS-500 that comes in hybrid plastic/wood and sits there with the PS-500 and RS-1?), I think they'd be far more popular.
Should note that I haven't heard the GS-1000i. Curious, but not $995 curious, how different they are. redface.gif
Also, and this isn't meant to be any sort of attack - spaces after commas are common convention in English. Without them, it makes your posts hard to read.

 

No offence taken,the last thing i want is for my posts to be hard to read,but i'm not sure i understand what you mean,could you please use my post to show me an example of where i made the mistake(s) so that i don't keep repeating it.

post #5467 of 26121
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No offence taken,the last thing i want is for my posts to be hard to read,but i'm not sure i understand what you mean,could you please use my post to show me an example of where i made the mistake(s) so that i don't keep repeating it.

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No offence taken, the last thing i want is for my posts to be hard to read, but i'm not sure i understand what you mean, could you please use my post to show me an example of where i made the mistake(s) so that i don't keep repeating it.

I've highlighted the places I made changes in color (I don't know what the default is, lol, we'll find out when I hit post!).

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And the color would be pink! eek.gif
Edited by obobskivich - 11/8/12 at 8:45pm
post #5468 of 26121
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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post


Their carts use a totally different system than any other brand, they're moving iron as opposed to moving coil or magnet. I would say that for the same money, a really good moving magnet or high output moving coil would likely sound better. The new Ortofon 2M series gets incredible marks, as do things like the Dynavector. I love the now discontinued Dennon 160, which can be sent to Soundsmith for retipping, and basically they turn it into a new, even better cart. I think that once upon a time, the Grado line was probably about the best of the best, and it still is spectacular, but other, newer offerings have them beat. Also, Grados don't play nicely on many direct drive decks, where they pick up noise, so you need to make sure that your deck is Grado-friendly. For example, the venerable Technics SL-1200 cannot take a Grado, else the result will be pretty terrible. You also need to make sure the compliance of whatever cart you get plays nicely with the compliance of your arm.

 

Before you make any decisions, I would advise you to call the needle doctor (theneedledoctor.com) to talk about what would pair best with your deck and your arm. Also, check the vinyl engine (vinylengine.com). The vinyl engine will provide all of the equations for determining which cart to use. Some carts and arms are designed and work best with different alignments, that is discussed there, as well as printable diagrams for the alignments, they also have printable strobe-disks. Easily the best vinyl site around.

 

So, while I appreciate the analogy to their cans, and the subjectivity therein, I think it's rather apples to oranges. Grado carts are good, but at the same price point, there are other carts that work with more decks, and sound better at the same time. There is so much that goes into a good sounding deck, and Grados agree with only a slim number of those decks.

 

Appreciate the info. I'm still a ways off before I pull the trigger, so I'll keep your suggestions in mind for down the road. 

post #5469 of 26121
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And the color would be pink! eek.gif

 

LOL

post #5470 of 26121
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Their carts use a totally different system than any other brand, they're moving iron as opposed to moving coil or magnet. I would say that for the same money, a really good moving magnet or high output moving coil would likely sound better. The new Ortofon 2M series gets incredible marks, as do things like the Dynavector. I love the now discontinued Dennon 160, which can be sent to Soundsmith for retipping, and basically they turn it into a new, even better cart. I think that once upon a time, the Grado line was probably about the best of the best, and it still is spectacular, but other, newer offerings have them beat. Also, Grados don't play nicely on many direct drive decks, where they pick up noise, so you need to make sure that your deck is Grado-friendly. For example, the venerable Technics SL-1200 cannot take a Grado, else the result will be pretty terrible. You also need to make sure the compliance of whatever cart you get plays nicely with the compliance of your arm.

 

Before you make any decisions, I would advise you to call the needle doctor (theneedledoctor.com) to talk about what would pair best with your deck and your arm. Also, check the vinyl engine (vinylengine.com). The vinyl engine will provide all of the equations for determining which cart to use. Some carts and arms are designed and work best with different alignments, that is discussed there, as well as printable diagrams for the alignments, they also have printable strobe-disks. Easily the best vinyl site around.

 

So, while I appreciate the analogy to their cans, and the subjectivity therein, I think it's rather apples to oranges. Grado carts are good, but at the same price point, there are other carts that work with more decks, and sound better at the same time. There is so much that goes into a good sounding deck, and Grados agree with only a slim number of those decks.

 

Appreciate the info. I'm still a ways off before I pull the trigger, so I'll keep your suggestions in mind for down the road. 


I'm no expert, but if you have questions or anything, I'd be happy to help, or steer you in the right direction.

post #5471 of 26121
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I'm no expert, but if you have questions or anything, I'd be happy to help, or steer you in the right direction.

 

Thanks brother, I will certainly take you up on that. I knew literally NOTHING about vinyl as of two weeks ago, other than the fact that I LOVED the two high end vinyl rigs that I've heard in the last couple of years. I've learned a fair bit in the last week or so, but still have a long way to go. I'll definitley shoot a PM off to you once I get a little further along...really appreciate the offer! 

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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

I agree with the notion that the GS1ks are more of a "different" Grado sound than a flagship type sound. I will admit that they have grown on me and I actually am enjoying them quite a bit, but I still give the edge to the 500s. I love that you were firing up some vinyl, Stacker....I've been in the research phase of an analog system since I've never had one...it's really been an education. I'm hoping to add a vinyl source here in the coming months, and a big part of the reason why is because Grado's cartridges are arguably better than even their headphones....so I'd love to have another excuse to send them some money. I'm not all that close to pulling the trigger yet, but I enjoy reading about those who are pairing vinyl and headphones....especially Grados :)

 

Be carefull Focker!,that vinyl thing can be very addictive,a good vinyl on a properly ajusted TT can be a jaw dropping experience through headphones,case in point,the first time i dropped the needle on Eric Clapton's Unplugged LP,on my Technics SL-1200 MK2/Ortofon 2MBlack,i have the CD and the DVD of that concert and the vinyl tramples them both,it has a wider and deeper soundstage,an almost pitch black background and this 'organic' sound that only vinyl can give you.

 

Fortunately it doesn't have to be expensive,especially if like me,you decide to go the vintage route.Aside from my Technics wich i bought new,i have bought three mint vintage turntables for less than $700,yes,that means i have four,see how addictive it can be?.I have a Yamaha YP-D6/Audio- Technica At95e and two Marantzs a 6300/AT-95e and a 6350Q/Ortofon 2MBlue.

 

As you can see i don't have Grado cartriges,it's not because i don't like them,to tell you the truth,i've never heard one,it's simply because when i first got interrested in vinyl,the salesman suggested i'd go with Ortofon.I then discovered the $50 Audio-Technica AT95e,wich is regarded by many as one of the best buys among cartriges and with good reasons,this thing sounds wonderfull.

 

Sorry for rambling on like that,but it could have been worse i could've bored you with my passion for Reel to Reel tape recorders,don't get me startedwink.gif

post #5473 of 26121
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

I agree with the notion that the GS1ks are more of a "different" Grado sound than a flagship type sound. I will admit that they have grown on me and I actually am enjoying them quite a bit, but I still give the edge to the 500s. I love that you were firing up some vinyl, Stacker....I've been in the research phase of an analog system since I've never had one...it's really been an education. I'm hoping to add a vinyl source here in the coming months, and a big part of the reason why is because Grado's cartridges are arguably better than even their headphones....so I'd love to have another excuse to send them some money. I'm not all that close to pulling the trigger yet, but I enjoy reading about those who are pairing vinyl and headphones....especially Grados :)

 

Be carefull Focker!,that vinyl thing can be very addictive,a good vinyl on a properly ajusted TT can be a jaw dropping experience through headphones,case in point,the first time i dropped the needle on Eric Clapton's Unplugged LP,on my Technics SL-1200 MK2/Ortofon 2MBlack,i have the CD and the DVD of that concert and the vinyl tramples them both,it has a wider and deeper soundstage,an almost pitch black background and this 'organic' sound that only vinyl can give you.

 

Fortunately it doesn't have to be expensive,especially if like me,you decide to go the vintage route.Aside from my Technics wich i bought new,i have bought three mint vintage turntables for less than $700,yes,that means i have four,see how addictive it can be?.I have a Yamaha YP-D6/Audio- Technica At95e and two Marantzs a 6300/AT-95e and a 6350Q/Ortofon 2MBlue.

 

As you can see i don't have Grado cartriges,it's not because i don't like them,to tell you the truth,i've never heard one,it's simply because when i first got interrested in vinyl,the salesman suggested i'd go with Ortofon.I then discovered the $50 Audio-Technica AT95e,wich is regarded by many as one of the best buys among cartriges and with good reasons,this thing sounds wonderfull.

 

Sorry for rambling on like that,but it could have been worse i could've bored you with my passion for Reel to Reel tape recorders,don't get me startedwink.gif


I would LOVE to hear that 2M Black, they're supposed to be amazing.

I have a Thorens TD-160 Super with the SME arm and a Denon DL-160 cart, I'm planning on sending it to soundsmith to be retipped before too long. For me, it was Tommy that sealed it for me. I used to listen to that all the time on CD, I dropped the needle on that, and was in love. Also, my copy of Melon Collie by the pumpkins, blows me away, not even comparable to the CD. Most classic rock was mixed and mastered for the LP, and then redone for the CDs. LPs can handle so much less range compression and everything else, that the sound is so much more natural. I am off at school now, so I listen exclusively to digital stuff, but you can be sure one of my favorite things to do when I get home each time is to drop the needle, sit in the sweet spot, and just rock out.


Edited by scootsit - 11/8/12 at 9:37pm
post #5474 of 26121
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I've highlighted the places I made changes in color (I don't know what the default is, lol, we'll find out when I hit post!).
EDIT:
And the color would be pink! eek.gif

 

Ok, now i get it, thanks, it's greatly appreciated

post #5475 of 26121
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LPs can handle so much less range compression and everything else, that the sound is so much more natural.

I don't understand this. This is an honest question, not bait for a war. redface.gif

You're also making me want to figure out how to fit my table in somewhere. And buy new LPs.
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Ok, now i get it, thanks, it's greatly appreciated

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