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post #5356 of 16751
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If there is a thread that proves that we all hear differently, this has got to be the one. I keep seeing people talk about how powerful the bass is on the 500s, but for some reason it just doesn't sound that way to me. We can all listen to the same headphone and describe it quite a few different ways. It's tempting to just chalk it up to the fact that I'm some sort of weirdo who doesn't find Grados uncomfortable and finds the PS500s pretty well balanced in their presentation (in spite of the FR), but I try to just imagine we're all a little weird in our own special way.

 

I think you'll agree Focker that you and i often see things the same way,i like you're moderate and objective comments,and i find inspiring the fact that you like you're PS500s so much,and i'm not surprised that you like them better than the more expensive GS1000i,at this price point especially,we start talking about sidegrade,instead of upgrade.

 

For the others who might not be familiar with my the way i see things,here i go bambling on again,like Focker mentions,we all hear differently,(i believe that it's not that peoples can't hear the PS500's midbass emphasis or the SR325i's brightness,they probably do,but that's just the type of sound they prefer,and they're nothing wrong with that),also,we all have different sound systems and musical preferences,the way i see it,it's like we're making a puzzle for wich the headphones are the last piece,like ying and yiang if you will.

 

That is why,i try to stay objective when i make comment about a pair of headphones,who am i to say the the SR325 are TOO bright,orthat the PS500s have TOO much midbass,now,i think that most will agree that they sound brighter than the PS500,but they

might just fit someone elses puzzle perfectly

 

As always,take this with a grain of salt as it's just one man's opinion.

post #5357 of 16751
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Am I correct in thinking that the Allesandro lowest model is basically an SR60 with one or more holes punched? Is there really any other difference?

The differences between Grado and MS headphones is traeted as a trade secret and no one knows what, if anything, is done to the drivers outside of Grado and MS.

We can only speculate.  Grado will tell you they are different, just not how or why.

The drivers in the MS1, are said touse the UHPC wire in the voice coils. The cheapest Grado model that uses UHPC wire in the voice coils is the 125i, so some speculate that the MS1 is based on the 125i, but the only evidence is the wire used in the voice coils.

The other difference is that the MS1 has no buttons which may or may not affect the sound.


Interesting. I've read a number of threads about how different they are, and while I've never heard either, I guess I've always wondered why. Same driver, housing, etc should yield the same result, yet people typically find a fairly substantive difference between them. Very curious.

post #5358 of 16751

I am loving the PS500s right now!  Totally the opposite  impression the night I spent along with the RS1i.  

 

 

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post #5359 of 16751
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

I like the SR325is , it just need a little more uplifting bass. The RS1i sound signature is picky on the Genre of music.  I find it perfect for male vocals like Tonny Bennet or female voices like Toni Braxton,  for Taylor Swift (not a fan),  OM..........frown.gif

 

 

If Grado can put the 325is mids/high and combined it with PS500s bass... That is my ideal sound signature...  So far the PS500s comes close to what I prefer.

Wha? The SR325is's highs? They were the most fatiguing painful headphones (not just Grado) that I've had on my head. YMMV of course, but thinking of the SR325s still has the hairs on the back of my neck stand up at attention. tongue.gif I owned them for a month and ditched them for the RS1s and never looked back. Sounds like your RS1is had "issues" or needed burn-in?

 

For those who think the RS1s have too much treble energy, then the PS500s would definitely be the way to go. 

 

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post #5360 of 16751
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Wha? The SR325is's highs? They were the most fatiguing painful headphones (not just Grado) that I've had on my head. YMMV of course, but thinking of the SR325s still has the hairs on the back of my neck stand up at attention. tongue.gif I owned them for a month and ditched them for the RS1s and never looked back. Sounds like your RS1is had "issues" or needed burn-in?

 

For those who think the RS1s have too much treble energy, then the PS500s would definitely be the way to go. 

 

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I heard that the RS1s has a slight difference in sound sig. than the RS1i....  Have you tried the RS1i for more than 8 hours? 

I prefer the 325is than the RS1i if running without  amp.


Edited by Awgd8 - 10/31/12 at 7:25pm
post #5361 of 16751
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

I heard that the RS1s has a slight difference in sound sig. than the RS1i....  Have you tried the RS1i for more than 8 hours? 

I prefer the 325is than the RS1i if running without  amp.

I've owned the RS1, RS1 buttonless and RS1i. regular_smile%20.gif

 

The SR325is when I owned them couldn't get more than 30 minutes without me screaming in pain. 

post #5362 of 16751
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I've owned the RS1, RS1 buttonless and RS1i. regular_smile%20.gif

 

The SR325is when I owned them couldn't get more than 30 minutes without me screaming in pain

I think it also depends on the Genre of music we listen to.  

post #5363 of 16751
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I think it also depends on the Genre of music we listen to.  

Could be, could be upstream gear, or even HRTF too. But might be your particular pair as you mentioned one driver was off?

post #5364 of 16751
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

I think it also depends on the Genre of music we listen to.  

Agreed.

 

Could also be because someone's typical listening volume. I have no doubt my SR255is would be more fatiguing at a high SPL level in comparison to my ATH-A900Xs. 

post #5365 of 16751
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I think you'll agree Focker that you and i often see things the same way,i like you're moderate and objective comments,and i find inspiring the fact that you like you're PS500s so much,and i'm not surprised that you like them better than the more expensive GS1000i,at this price point especially,we start talking about sidegrade,instead of upgrade.

 

For the others who might not be familiar with my the way i see things,here i go bambling on again,like Focker mentions,we all hear differently,(i believe that it's not that peoples can't hear the PS500's midbass emphasis or the SR325i's brightness,they probably do,but that's just the type of sound they prefer,and they're nothing wrong with that),also,we all have different sound systems and musical preferences,the way i see it,it's like we're making a puzzle for wich the headphones are the last piece,like ying and yiang if you will.

 

That is why,i try to stay objective when i make comment about a pair of headphones,who am i to say the the SR325 are TOO bright,orthat the PS500s have TOO much midbass,now,i think that most will agree that they sound brighter than the PS500,but they

might just fit someone elses puzzle perfectly

 

As always,take this with a grain of salt as it's just one man's opinion.

 

Thanks for that, man....much appreciated. And I agree, we often do see things very similarly. The whole idea of people hearing differently is becoming one of the most interesting aspects of this hobby to me. If you take away the fanboy stuff and the graph warriors (no offense to the graph warriors) and just get down to pure subjective impressions, the variation among head-fi'ers is really fascinating. Even people who others view as being very reliable and credible sources will often have differing views on the same headphone....unless they all are just reading graphs and using that to form their subjective opinions....to me, that's nonsense. (But again, no offense to those who practice nonsense.)  But yeah, there is a whole world of great headphones and gear out there. I get excited when someone else finds a love for Grados, of course...it's always fun to compare notes and find others you have something in common with. But just as well, I think it's great when someone discovers that Grado may not be for them, and it propels them on their search until they DO find something that meets with their approval. 

 

This hobby rules :)

post #5366 of 16751
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The SR325is when I owned them couldn't get more than 30 minutes without me screaming in pain. 

 

So know we know what to tell your wife to do when she wants to have her way! muah ha ha

post #5367 of 16751
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

I am loving the PS500s right now!  Totally the opposite  impression the night I spent along with the RS1i.  

 

 

 

I love how some people fall in love with the RS-1s, and some fall for the 500s....just further proof that this price point ($600ish) is one where Grado hit it out of the park. 

post #5368 of 16751
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Where are the RS1i graphs? I've been waiting for them forever.

post #5369 of 16751
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I've owned the RS1, RS1 buttonless and RS1i. regular_smile%20.gif

 

The SR325is when I owned them couldn't get more than 30 minutes without me screaming in pain. 

I suspect there's a fair bit of inconsistency within models. Two of the RS1i's I have tried sounded pretty darn fatiguing. One of them sounded quite different. It felt more distant, airier, and almost pleasant compared to the other two.

Granted, I only got into Grado headphones in the last year, but my experience with auditioning SR325is has been that they are not the screech-trains so many talk about. Not only that, I owned a pair for a couple months and enjoyed them without fatigue. Compare the SR80i I tried and the SR225i I owned for 6 months, and the SR325is was seriously easier on the ears.

I think there's more to do with inconsistency of product production here than inconsistency of the ears hearing them.

post #5370 of 16751

Just started talks with Martin about building a full wooden setup with Magnum V4 drivers.  I'm considering Ambonya Burl cups and Gabon Ebony gimbals/rodblocks, wooden distancers so I can use the G-cush pads, and a lambskin headband.

Still working out how different wood types affect sound...What's the difference between RS1-style cups and mushrooms cups?

Are XLR jacks important?  Are they any better than the 1/4" jacks?  The built-in XLR jacks in the cups look sexy as hell, but my Grado 15ft cable doesn't use XLR.

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