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Pardon me, but I can`t help looking at the PS500s....  This will be my last picture post of her... biggrin.gif

I love the flat pads she`s wearing.... etysmile.gif

 

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Edited by Awgd8 - 11/1/12 at 4:25pm
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Sure is purdy :)

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Originally Posted by tribestros View Post

I honestly think the 325i is a terrible headphone and that Grado needs to massively revamp its sound signature. I was very displeased by the bloated midrange, deadly highs and boring low end. The speakers reminded me of a Bose car stereo; it can go loud, it's just very unpleasant with nothing captivating at loud volumes. I suspect the people who like the 325i also like Klipsch's horn loaded tweeters in their speakers, which I also find unbearable due to the highs. I really find the SR60i and the 80i the only enjoyable Grado headphones, though.

 

Lucky you wink.gif

 

I'll stick to my customised 325is - until I get the chance to try the PS500 and RS1i at least anyway.

 

Funny that because you don't like it, Grado has to massively revamp it's sound signature ........ maybe you could drop them a line with your observances biggrin.gif

post #5359 of 27740
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

 

Lucky you wink.gif

 

I'll stick to my customised 325is - until I get the chance to try the PS500 and RS1i at least anyway.

 

Funny that because you don't like it, Grado has to massively revamp it's sound signature ........ maybe you could drop them a line with your observances biggrin.gif

 

LOL, I can hear John Grado now...."dammit, Tribestros doesn't like the 325s...this is not good!"

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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

Pardon me, but I can`t help looking at the PS500s....  This will be my last picture post of her... biggrin.gif

I love the flat pads she`s wearing.... etysmile.gif

 

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awe.. why not post more? She's a beauty!!

post #5361 of 27740
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

I like the SR325is , it just need a little more uplifting bass. The RS1i sound signature is picky on the Genre of music.  I find it perfect for male vocals like Tonny Bennet or female voices like Toni Braxton,  for Taylor Swift (not a fan),  OM..........frown.gif


If Grado can put the 325is mids/high and combined it with PS500s bass... That is my ideal sound signature...  So far the PS500s comes close to what I prefer.

And just to beat Focker's point harder - I'd disagree with this. I think the RS-1 are *sublime* for vocals - probably among the most natural reproduction I've ever heard. Notice all of the "I" in that though. I'm glad to hear the PS-500 are working for you though, and they're certainly a very purdy set of cans!

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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

The differences between Grado and MS headphones is traeted as a trade secret and no one knows what, if anything, is done to the drivers outside of Grado and MS.
We can only speculate.  Grado will tell you they are different, just not how or why.
The drivers in the MS1, are said touse the UHPC wire in the voice coils. The cheapest Grado model that uses UHPC wire in the voice coils is the 125i, so some speculate that the MS1 is based on the 125i, but the only evidence is the wire used in the voice coils.
The other difference is that the MS1 has no buttons which may or may not affect the sound.

When I emailed Alessandro they told me the MS-Pro and RS-1i were "very similar" and basically discouraged me from buying the MS-Pro, but wouldn't expand with details; I think "trade secret" might've been used in the message too. Of course that makes me MORE curious, but I doubt we'll ever truly know, as you said. redface.gif

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Sure is purdy smily_headphones1.gif

+1. I've always thought the wood/metal hybrid looked nice.
post #5362 of 27740
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post
When I emailed Alessandro they told me the MS-Pro and RS-1i were "very similar" and basically discouraged me from buying the MS-Pro, but wouldn't expand with details; I think "trade secret" might've been used in the message too. Of course that makes me MORE curious, but I doubt we'll ever truly know, as you said. redface.gif

Discouraged how?

 

Also, I read a bit, and evidently George Allessandro designed, modified, engineered (?) the driver in the MS line.

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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

Discouraged how?

Oh, I mean that their response was basically "they're very similar but somewhat different" and spending $695 twice seemed a bit nutter to me. It's not like say, getting an RS-2 and an HD 650 (just to pick some random headphone that also costs $500). But of course now I want to know what "somewhat" means!
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Also, I read a bit, and evidently George Allessandro designed, modified, engineered (?) the driver in the MS line.

I'd be interested to see what you were reading.
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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

Discouraged how?

Oh, I mean that their response was basically "they're very similar but somewhat different" and spending $695 twice seemed a bit nutter to me. It's not like say, getting an RS-2 and an HD 650 (just to pick some random headphone that also costs $500). But of course now I want to know what "somewhat" means!
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Also, I read a bit, and evidently George Allessandro designed, modified, engineered (?) the driver in the MS line.

I'd be interested to see what you were reading.


What is John's relationship with George Alessandro? What was the thinking and/or business strategy behind this parternering?

George is an old friend of John's who happens to live around the corner from him. George was running a successful amp business and wanted to add something new to his line, so he asked if John would manufacture some custom headphones for him. John agreed and per George's specifications, John released the Alessandro line. This line is owned by George and the differences are trade secrets between this line and the Grado line.

 

From: http://www.head-fi.org/t/127867/an-interview-with-john-grado

 

That's not the source I was actually referring to, but I read somewhere that everything but the drivers was identical.

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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

What is John's relationship with George Alessandro? What was the thinking and/or business strategy behind this parternering?

George is an old friend of John's who happens to live around the corner from him. George was running a successful amp business and wanted to add something new to his line, so he asked if John would manufacture some custom headphones for him. John agreed and per George's specifications, John released the Alessandro line. This line is owned by George and the differences are trade secrets between this line and the Grado line.

From: http://www.head-fi.org/t/127867/an-interview-with-john-grado

That's not the source I was actually referring to, but I read somewhere that everything but the drivers was identical.

To me, that doesn't read as "Alessandro custom designed everything in-house" but more "they cooked up a spec and Grado met it" - more like how the PS-1 came into being. redface.gif
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

Pardon me, but I can`t help looking at the PS500s....  This will be my last picture post of her... biggrin.gif

I love the flat pads she`s wearing.... etysmile.gif

 

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No need to stop posting, I think we all like to look at beautiful headphones!!!!

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post #5367 of 27740
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Originally Posted by tribestros View Post

I honestly think the 325i is a terrible headphone and that Grado needs to massively revamp its sound signature. I was very displeased by the bloated midrange, deadly highs and boring low end. The speakers reminded me of a Bose car stereo; it can go loud, it's just very unpleasant with nothing captivating at loud volumes. I suspect the people who like the 325i also like Klipsch's horn loaded tweeters in their speakers, which I also find unbearable due to the highs. I really find the SR60i and the 80i the only enjoyable Grado headphones, though.

 

Wow.

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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

What is John's relationship with George Alessandro? What was the thinking and/or business strategy behind this parternering?

George is an old friend of John's who happens to live around the corner from him. George was running a successful amp business and wanted to add something new to his line, so he asked if John would manufacture some custom headphones for him. John agreed and per George's specifications, John released the Alessandro line. This line is owned by George and the differences are trade secrets between this line and the Grado line.

From: http://www.head-fi.org/t/127867/an-interview-with-john-grado

That's not the source I was actually referring to, but I read somewhere that everything but the drivers was identical.

To me, that doesn't read as "Alessandro custom designed everything in-house" but more "they cooked up a spec and Grado met it" - more like how the PS-1 came into being. redface.gif


Right, that wasn't the thing I read yesterday that said that George Alessandro modified the driver, and the rest is regular Grado. I don't know where I read it, but I know I did somewhere, I did a bit of googling to no avail. I think it's all made by Grado, but Alessandro speced the signature. Really, I'm talking out my ass, I can't find the article.

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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

And just to beat Focker's point harder - I'd disagree with this. I think the RS-1 are *sublime* for vocals - probably among the most natural reproduction I've ever heard. Notice all of the "I" in that though. I'm glad to hear the PS-500 are working for you though, and they're certainly a very purdy set of cans!
When I emailed Alessandro they told me the MS-Pro and RS-1i were "very similar" and basically discouraged me from buying the MS-Pro, but wouldn't expand with details; I think "trade secret" might've been used in the message too. Of course that makes me MORE curious, but I doubt we'll ever truly know, as you said. redface.gif
+1. I've always thought the wood/metal hybrid looked nice.


Thanks! My experience with RS1i on femal vocals ( high pitch singer) were piercing sharp on my iMac desktop and decent enough , but not awesome, on my Ipod touch. Both sources were unAmped and no equalizer either.

I noticed that I prefer the sound coming fom my Ipod touch than the iMac. The sound coming from the Ipod sounds natural, more body or better blend of HIgh, mids and bass. Both RS1i and PS500s prefer the Ipod source, but it was the opposite on my RS325is. I like the Rs325is on my iMac , but from Ipod touch, the sound quality seems subpar....

Really confusing....
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

Thanks! My experience with RS1i on femal vocals ( high pitch singer) were piercing sharp on my iMac desktop and decent enough , but not awesome, on my Ipod touch. Both sources were unAmped and no equalizer either.
I noticed that I prefer the sound coming fom my Ipod touch than the iMac. The sound coming from the Ipod sounds natural, more body or better blend of HIgh, mids and bass. Both RS1i and PS500s prefer the Ipod source, but it was the opposite on my RS325is. I like the Rs325is on my iMac , but from Ipod touch, the sound quality seems subpar....
Really confusing....

Not sure with the SR-325 in the mix, but it isn't surprising that the iPod is better than the iMac here - it's battery powered and one of the lowest impedance/most stable outputs on the block. I'm guessing the iMac (despite Apple's claims of unobtanium) uses fairly cheap COTS hardware. ph34r.gif
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