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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

 

I'm actually glad that you found the RS-1s and PS500s to be that different, cause I would like to add the RS-1s to my little collection still. I'd rather they have different sound sigs as opposed to beign more similar.

 

congrats on the 500s...I'm sure you've probably see me say plenty of times that they're my favorite headphone...and it's hard for me to imagine that changing anytime soon, although the PS1ks are still out there waiting for me lol.

Thanks!  I believe you.  I did try the PS1000 there for the second time today , since I have few Grado sound signatures in my memory now,  that one is AWESOME!  It just too big for my head and wallet... biggrin.gif


Edited by Awgd8 - 10/31/12 at 1:20pm
post #5342 of 18538
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post


Tough to say - Grado says they are different but isn't more specific to consumers beyond that, at least tmk. Matching is not a "small thing" though - it can make a solid improvement in performance (staging, perceived FR, etc).
My guess is that it probably breaks down like their cartridges, so say they make multiple lines of drivers, use the RS-1 as an example, and say half of them can't become RS-1, so they become RS-2, or they make a lot of SR-325 and a lot can't become SR-325, so they become SR-225, and so on. But where the SR-125 would even fit into that is screwy...I also think Grado has at least indirectly denied this, but I don't see them making 10 completely different drivers (so they're probably inter-related to some extent).
I think there's also a housing difference with the SR-125 versus the SR-60/80. AFAIK I thought the basic Alessandro was SR-80 based though; just based on the price relationships between MS-2 and SR-325, and RS-1 and MS-Pro.
And this makes me believe the PS-500 would sound dull or dark to me - since the RS-1 is nowhere near what I'd call "piericing." But naw, graphs tell us everything. tongue.gif
Glad you found one you like. One thing (and I know it's sacrilege on this hallowed ground, but whatever) you might consider, if Grado isn't giving you the bass or staging you want, Ultrasone would be a good side-path; they are similarly forward and energetic, but voiced very differently - it might get you what you want.

The PS500S still has a clear mids and high, but I bit farther away from the source.  I find it dark if you listen to a more bassy songs, but mids and highs are perfect for vocals, specially female ones that sings with guitars.  Female voices are  natural compare to the RS1i sharp sound.  I much prefer the 325is perfect blending of mids and highs than the RS1i .  The RS1i might be better with tube amp, which I never got a chance to do and compare.  I am currently broke right now for an amp.

 

I am enjoying the PS500s now. It is true the ps500s has that tube like sound signature...  I am loving it so far.  You can throw any Genre of music and it handles pretty well!

post #5343 of 18538
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

  I am currently broke right now for an amp.

 

Well, you picked the right headphones for that! lol  The 500s sound great with basically any source.

post #5344 of 18538
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I can do dark, but not dull. redface.gif
But I'm coming to realize that I seem to preference "insanely bright" by most people's standards. tongue.gif

 

If there is a thread that proves that we all hear differently, this has got to be the one. I keep seeing people talk about how powerful the bass is on the 500s, but for some reason it just doesn't sound that way to me. We can all listen to the same headphone and describe it quite a few different ways. It's tempting to just chalk it up to the fact that I'm some sort of weirdo who doesn't find Grados uncomfortable and finds the PS500s pretty well balanced in their presentation (in spite of the FR), but I try to just imagine we're all a little weird in our own special way.

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I like the SR325is , it just need a little more uplifting bass. The RS1i sound signature is picky on the Genre of music.  I find it perfect for male vocals like Tonny Bennet or female voices like Toni Braxton,  for Taylor Swift (not a fan),  OM..........frown.gif

 

 

If Grado can put the 325is mids/high and combined it with PS500s bass... That is my ideal sound signature...  So far the PS500s comes close to what I prefer.


Edited by Awgd8 - 10/31/12 at 1:50pm
post #5346 of 18538
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

 

If there is a thread that proves that we all hear differently, this has got to be the one. I keep seeing people talk about how powerful the bass is on the 500s, but for some reason it just doesn't sound that way to me. We can all listen to the same headphone and describe it quite a few different ways. It's tempting to just chalk it up to the fact that I'm some sort of weirdo who doesn't find Grados uncomfortable and finds the PS500s pretty well balanced in their presentation (in spite of the FR), but I try to just imagine we're all a little weird in our own special way.


weird? noo.... we are unique,heh? cool.gif

+1 for comfort.... for me grado is quite comfortable, i can wear it all day long in weekend... gs1000.gif

post #5347 of 18538
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

 

If there is a thread that proves that we all hear differently, this has got to be the one. I keep seeing people talk about how powerful the bass is on the 500s, but for some reason it just doesn't sound that way to me. We can all listen to the same headphone and describe it quite a few different ways. It's tempting to just chalk it up to the fact that I'm some sort of weirdo who doesn't find Grados uncomfortable and finds the PS500s pretty well balanced in their presentation (in spite of the FR), but I try to just imagine we're all a little weird in our own special way.

 

It took me half hour to demo the RS1i, RS2i , PS500s - A/B compared the mids for 10minutes, highs for 10 minutes and lows for another 10 minutes (each freq separately) using the same amp and the same Sade song.  And I find the PS500s has more bass thump...   PS500is > RS1i > RS2i ...     

 

When I hear piercing sound on the RS1i, I mean literally sticking my ear and getting that sharp pain. It does not happen right away, it takes maybe 15-30 minutes of listening.   I did not get that pain on the brighter SR325is...  

 

I will be loading some pictures of the RS1i that I took the night before I return it.


Edited by Awgd8 - 10/31/12 at 2:07pm
post #5348 of 18538
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

 

If there is a thread that proves that we all hear differently, this has got to be the one. I keep seeing people talk about how powerful the bass is on the 500s, but for some reason it just doesn't sound that way to me. We can all listen to the same headphone and describe it quite a few different ways. It's tempting to just chalk it up to the fact that I'm some sort of weirdo who doesn't find Grados uncomfortable and finds the PS500s pretty well balanced in their presentation (in spite of the FR), but I try to just imagine we're all a little weird in our own special way.

 

It took me half hour to demo the RS1i, RS2i , PS500s - A/B compared the mids for 10minutes, highs for 10 minutes and lows for another 10 minutes (each freq separately) using the same amp and the same Sade song.  And I find the PS500s has more bass thump...   PS500is > RS1i > RS2i ...     

 

When I hear piercing sound on the RS1i, I mean literally sticking my ear and getting that sharp pain. It does not happen right away, it takes maybe 15-30 minutes of listening.   I did not get that pain on the brighter SR325is...  

 

I will be loading some pictures of the RS1i that I took the night before I return it.


1. I need to check out that store, as I grew up all of a mile away.

2. Have you had a chance to hear some Magnums? They'd be right up your alley.

post #5349 of 18538
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Am I correct in thinking that the Allesandro lowest model is basically an SR60 with one or more holes punched? Is there really any other difference?

 

Nope - MS1i has no holes punched.  I also disagree with the way Biscuitz describes the MS1i vs SR60i.  To me the MS1i has slightly toned down highs, which allows more focus on the mid-range (so it seems more forward).  Bass is about the same - MS1i might be slightly more - but it's not prominent, and it's definitely not 'muddy'.

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Am I correct in thinking that the Allesandro lowest model is basically an SR60 with one or more holes punched? Is there really any other difference?

 

Nope - MS1i has no holes punched.  I also disagree with the way Biscuitz describes the MS1i vs SR60i.  To me the MS1i has slightly toned down highs, which allows more focus on the mid-range (so it seems more forward).  Bass is about the same - MS1i might be slightly more - but it's not prominent, and it's definitely not 'muddy'.


I guess maybe they dope them differently, because I have heard that all of the drivers are constructed mostly the same, and doped differently.

post #5351 of 18538
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Have you had a chance to hear some Magnums? They'd be right up your alley.

I`ve heard about it, but never had a chance to audition it.  That will be tough for me since, no one carry it here, except the modder in Canada right?  

post #5352 of 18538
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

I like the SR325is , it just need a little more uplifting bass. The RS1i sound signature is picky on the Genre of music.  I find it perfect for male vocals like Tonny Bennet or female voices like Toni Braxton,  for Taylor Swift (not a fan),  OM..........frown.gif

 

 

If Grado can put the 325is mids/high and combined it with PS500s bass... That is my ideal sound signature...  So far the PS500s comes close to what I prefer.

 

If you were willing to take a chance with your 325is - I'd recommend full woody jacket, and venting two holes each driver.  For me it increased bass slam without making it muddy, and the woody jacket made them more comfortable (lighter), and slightly softened the highs and brought the mid-range forward.  Not sure if this due to slightly less ringing going from aluminium to wood?  Differences are subtle - still retains the 325i bright and dynamic signature - but the added bass slam makes it more enjoyable IMO.

 

BTW - thanks for all of the comments/discussion.  I'll have to try the RS1i and the PS500 (hopefully on my next trip to the US in Feb 2013) - but I'm feeling more and more that my current choice (fwj 325i) is what I'll stick with long term.

post #5353 of 18538
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

 

It took me half hour to demo the RS1i, RS2i , PS500s - A/B compared the mids for 10minutes, highs for 10 minutes and lows for another 10 minutes (each freq separately) using the same amp and the same Sade song.  And I find the PS500s has more bass thump...   PS500is > RS1i > RS2i ...     

 

When I hear piercing sound on the RS1i, I mean literally sticking my ear and getting that sharp pain. It does not happen right away, it takes maybe 15-30 minutes of listening.   I did not get that pain on the brighter SR325is...  

 

I will be loading some pictures of the RS1i that I took the night before I return it.

 

So do you find the bass to have more of a thump in comparison to the other Grados, or in general? Maybe that's why it sounds weird to me when people talk about the bass on the PS500. I definitely hear the emphasis on the mid-bass, which I like, but I'm surprised that some people find it excessive. That's the part I'm trying to reconcile with my own experience, cause I have other headphones that have more bass impact than the 500s. I just find it interesting to read the different opinions and experiences.

 

And pics are good! :)

post #5354 of 18538
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

So do you find the bass to have more of a thump in comparison to the other Grados, or in general? Maybe that's why it sounds weird to me when people talk about the bass on the PS500. I definitely hear the emphasis on the mid-bass, which I like, but I'm surprised that some people find it excessive. That's the part I'm trying to reconcile with my own experience, cause I have other headphones that have more bass impact than the 500s. I just find it interesting to read the different opinions and experiences.

And pics are good! smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks! I forgot to mention that I was just comparing the PS500s to all Grados from RS1i and below. BTW, i picked up a flat pads from SR80 and seems very comfortable on and around the ears. Do I need to cut a hole in there or leave it like the SR80 flat pad?
Edited by Awgd8 - 10/31/12 at 3:18pm
post #5355 of 18538
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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

Am I correct in thinking that the Allesandro lowest model is basically an SR60 with one or more holes punched? Is there really any other difference?

The differences between Grado and MS headphones is traeted as a trade secret and no one knows what, if anything, is done to the drivers outside of Grado and MS.

We can only speculate.  Grado will tell you they are different, just not how or why.

The drivers in the MS1, are said touse the UHPC wire in the voice coils. The cheapest Grado model that uses UHPC wire in the voice coils is the 125i, so some speculate that the MS1 is based on the 125i, but the only evidence is the wire used in the voice coils.

The other difference is that the MS1 has no buttons which may or may not affect the sound.

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