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I've had my alessandro MS1s since monday.  They are the original ones and I bought them used.  They are amazing.... As my first really decent headphones they can handle anything I've thrown at them.  I even tried chinese rap....  it all sounds amazing.  So far I can't picture replacing them with anything else.  I may mod them eventually but for now I don't even want to change the sound a bit.

 

I noticed the oohing and ahhing over the mcintosh set.  Have you guys ever seen the stuff from chord electronics?  I confess to feeling a bit of lust towards them.

 

 

 

 

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Edited by cheapfi - 10/31/12 at 10:25am
post #5327 of 18569
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Originally Posted by darkdefender View Post

Hi guys, i'm new here.

 

 I just ordered grado s60i and i know they are great for rock. but  i'm wondering how good/bad they are with metal and classic music?  Are they average for classic or worse? It's my first "real" headphone and i'm not expecting too much but still want to know.

I use a pair of SR60i's primarily with Rock and Metal, and I think it does both great! I even really enjoy them with EDM (Trance / House). The bass isn't rumbly and doesn't dig real deep, but the sound is really airy and the bass is punchy and well defined, and I still manage to really enjoy EDM with them!

When you say classic, are you referring to Classic Rock or to Classical / Orchestral? Either way, I think you'll enjoy most genres on the SR60i. It has an open and airy sound that you'll love, but there are other headphones in its price range that probably do Classical better, because they have a wider soundstage. I'm thinking of the Audio Technica AD-700, specifically. But I really don't like that headphone, so I'd stick with the SR60i if it was me.

Also, I would highly recommend picking up a pair of L-Cush pads for your SR60i! They'll make the sound generally clearer. The bass has better definition, the mids are cleaner, and the highs become cleaner as well. They'll also create a more realistic soundstage than with the stock S-Cush pads, so I think you'd like Classical music even more with L-Cush! They're $20 on Amazon.

If you aren't fully satisfied with Classical on the SR60i but really like it for most other things, I think the next best option would be to pick up the Alessandro MS1i (modded Grado for $110). Alessandro MS1i with L-Cush pads has a much wider soundstage, a little more bass, and slightly less pronounced highs than the SR60i. I still like SR60i better, for what it's worth.

Enjoy!

post #5328 of 18569
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Originally Posted by Awgd8 View Post

Ok guys, that's it. I think i am returning my one day old RS1i. There is this frequency on most female vocals that is piercing my ears, specifically the right. The highs are totally different from the RS325is. The 325is has a slightly more intimate presentation than the RS1i , but the mids and high on the 325is blends well together and I feel more fullness in sound when I listen to female vocals.
I am heading down to Illinois again and I think I will get the PS500 which I originally intended to buy 2 weeks ago.
I know i did not get to burn in the RS long enough, but I doubt that it will change that much. My 325is was perfect the first time. It just need a bit more bass. Though I know the PS500s has less or farther presentation, I will demo it for the 4th time. Wish me luck.

My experience with the RS1i and RS2i has been similar. I found both to sound very dynamic, but quite fatiguing. And, with no exaggeration, to my ears the SR60i (with L-Cush pads) is about 80% the quality of the RS1i and 85% the quality of the RS2i, while being less fatiguing and $400-600 cheaper. So needless to say, I also didn't stick with the Reference Series. Perhaps down the road I'll try the RS1i again with a good tube amp!

You've auditioned the PS500's three times already? What has held you back? I've also heard three different pairs of the PS500, and my impression is that the mid-bass on it is just far too overpowering. It just doesn't sound balanced at all to my ears.

 

For these reasons, I am really curious to try a Wood-housed Magnum V4. From what I've read the highs are detailed like Grados but without the sharpness, and the bass is powerful. If the bass is less prominent than the PS500's, but more prominent than the lower Prestige Series headphones, I think that'd be my perfect pair of headphones. I am saving up!

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Am I correct in thinking that the Allesandro lowest model is basically an SR60 with one or more holes punched? Is there really any other difference?

post #5330 of 18569
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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

Am I correct in thinking that the Allesandro lowest model is basically an SR60 with one or more holes punched? Is there really any other difference?

I have no idea which driver it's taken from. But I wouldn't be surprised if you were correct. The bass on the MS1i is a bit warmer and more present than the SR60i, but also a bit muddier (which actually led me to suspect it was a SR60i / SR80i with holes punched). Also, the button is removed which may contribute to the wider soundstage. But the highs are most certainly easier on the ears. I don't know if this is due to driver tweaking or an effect of the *possible* punched holes / removed button.

Now I'm curious how my SR60i sounds with button removed...

post #5331 of 18569
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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

Am I correct in thinking that the Allesandro lowest model is basically an SR60 with one or more holes punched? Is there really any other difference?

if i not mistaken ms1 is based on SR125 driver tunned by alessandro cmiiw.. sooo... no,its not... soundstage,low,mids is different. first time i do A-B those cans, i noticed mids in ms1i is softer than sr60i...


Edited by reza7392d - 10/31/12 at 11:23am
post #5332 of 18569

You can also see the driver through the rear grate... so not sure if holes are quite applicable....

post #5333 of 18569
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Originally Posted by reza7392d View Post

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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post

Am I correct in thinking that the Allesandro lowest model is basically an SR60 with one or more holes punched? Is there really any other difference?

if i not mistaken ms1 is based on SR125 driver tunned by alessandro cmiiw.. sooo... no,its not... soundstage,low,mids is different. first time i do A-B those cans, i noticed mids in ms1i is softer than sr60i...


There's a difference (other than matching) between the SR60 and SR125 driver?

post #5334 of 18569
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

I really hate that feeling where you're in the ballpark of what you're looking for, but can't quite seem to get it ALL right. As much as I enjoy seeing others discover a love for Grados, remember there are all sorts of great headphones out there. It may just be that Grados can't quite give you everything you're looking for, you know? No shame in that. This hobby wouldn't be as much fun for me if I didnt' dabble in other areas and play around with other gear. Grados are top of the class for me, but I get a ton of enjoyment out of my other gear, as well.

I think i got it right now. It took me 30 minutes to compare my RS1i , their demo PS500s and the RS2i.
I A/B them and here is what I noticed. RS2i has a better toned down mids and highs of the 325is , not piercing to the ears like the RS1i. RS2i does not have enough bass for me though. PS500 has a powerfull bass and close to RS2i . So I went home with the PS500s. For 30 minutes , i finally concluded that the PS500s is the jack of all trade.
post #5335 of 18569
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Originally Posted by scootsit View Post


There's a difference (other than matching) between the SR60 and SR125 driver?

Tough to say - Grado says they are different but isn't more specific to consumers beyond that, at least tmk. Matching is not a "small thing" though - it can make a solid improvement in performance (staging, perceived FR, etc).

My guess is that it probably breaks down like their cartridges, so say they make multiple lines of drivers, use the RS-1 as an example, and say half of them can't become RS-1, so they become RS-2, or they make a lot of SR-325 and a lot can't become SR-325, so they become SR-225, and so on. But where the SR-125 would even fit into that is screwy...I also think Grado has at least indirectly denied this, but I don't see them making 10 completely different drivers (so they're probably inter-related to some extent).

I think there's also a housing difference with the SR-125 versus the SR-60/80. AFAIK I thought the basic Alessandro was SR-80 based though; just based on the price relationships between MS-2 and SR-325, and RS-1 and MS-Pro.
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I think i got it right now. It took me 30 minutes to compare my RS1i , their demo PS500s and the RS2i.
I A/B them and here is what I noticed. RS2i has a better toned down mids and highs of the 325is , not piercing to the ears like the RS1i. RS2i does not have enough bass for me though. PS500 has a powerfull bass and close to RS2i . So I went home with the PS500s. For 30 minutes , i finally concluded that the PS500s is the jack of all trade.

And this makes me believe the PS-500 would sound dull or dark to me - since the RS-1 is nowhere near what I'd call "piericing." But naw, graphs tell us everything. tongue.gif

Glad you found one you like. One thing (and I know it's sacrilege on this hallowed ground, but whatever) you might consider, if Grado isn't giving you the bass or staging you want, Ultrasone would be a good side-path; they are similarly forward and energetic, but voiced very differently - it might get you what you want.
Edited by obobskivich - 10/31/12 at 11:51am
post #5336 of 18569
[quote name="Biscuitz" url="/t/530965/grado-fan-club/5325#post_8827065"]My experience with the RS1i and RS2i has been similar. I found both to sound very dynamic, but quite fatiguing. And, with no exaggeration, to my ears the SR60i ([I]with L-Cush pads[/I]) is about 80% the quality of the RS1i and 85% the quality of the RS2i, while being less fatiguing and $400-600 cheaper. So needless to say, I also didn't stick with the Reference Series. Perhaps down the road I'll try the RS1i again with a good tube amp! You've auditioned the PS500's three times already? What has held you back? I've also heard three different pairs of the PS500, and my impression is that the mid-bass on it is just far too overpowering. It just doesn't sound balanced at all to my ears. For these reasons, I am really curious to try a Wood-housed Magnum V4. From what I've read the highs are detailed like Grados but without the sharpness, and the bass is powerful. If the bass is less prominent than the PS500's, but more prominent than the lower Prestige Series headphones, I think that'd be my perfect pair of headphones. I am saving up! [/quote] I almost walked out with a PS500s two weeks ago , but decided to get an SR235is so I can keep my V-Moda M100 pre-order. It was the price that held me back. For the price of PS500s I can have 2 cans for home and portable. BTW, I find the RS2i is less harsh on mids/highs compare to RS1i. I find it close to PS500 with lesser bass....the extra bass thump on the PS500s is my deciding factor between the RS2i and PS500s. I find the PS500s Lively Dark! :D
Edited by Awgd8 - 10/31/12 at 1:29pm
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[quote name="Redstrand" url="/t/530965/grado-fan-club/5310#post_8826925"]Where at in Illinois? I need to demo some of these badly. [/quote]

 

 

There is a store in Evanston , Illinois called Audio Consultant. Davis st. They have several branches , but the largest one with full lineup of Grados is in Evanston. They have all Grados line up except the RS1i. They might let you try to demo the one that I just returned. Very nice collection of Shure and Grados. I demo all the current Grado lineup there already. If you want to go to their branches, call them and check if they have the phone for demo.

 

 

This is the demo room. 

 

 

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Edited by Awgd8 - 10/31/12 at 12:59pm
post #5338 of 18569
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I think i got it right now. It took me 30 minutes to compare my RS1i , their demo PS500s and the RS2i.
I A/B them and here is what I noticed. RS2i has a better toned down mids and highs of the 325is , not piercing to the ears like the RS1i. RS2i does not have enough bass for me though. PS500 has a powerfull bass and close to RS2i . So I went home with the PS500s. For 30 minutes , i finally concluded that the PS500s is the jack of all trade.

 

I'm actually glad that you found the RS-1s and PS500s to be that different, cause I would like to add the RS-1s to my little collection still. I'd rather they have different sound sigs as opposed to beign more similar.

 

congrats on the 500s...I'm sure you've probably see me say plenty of times that they're my favorite headphone...and it's hard for me to imagine that changing anytime soon, although the PS1ks are still out there waiting for me lol.

post #5339 of 18569
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And this makes me believe the PS-500 would sound dull or dark to me - since the RS-1 is nowhere near what I'd call "piericing." But naw, graphs tell us everything. tongue.gif
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Exactly...that's what I expected when I auditioned them, and it was why I really didn't think I'd like them as much as my other Grados...I don't really like a dark signature, and certainly wouldn't tolerate "dull"....so I was pleasantly surprised that they didn't sound like I anticipated they would.

post #5340 of 18569
I can do dark, but not dull. redface.gif

But I'm coming to realize that I seem to preference "insanely bright" by most people's standards. tongue.gif
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