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post #4816 of 25003
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Originally Posted by Focker View Post

Congrats, Cel! The 80s certainly changed my entire perspective on headphones...the minute I heard them I was just floored by how much I loved what I was hearing. There are a handful of headphones I really enjoy, but nothing can touch my Grados...they just do it for me :)

Thanks!
 

Yeah, the big test for me was the flac version of Muse's Map of the Problematique. The detail in the distortion of the guitar is fantastic with the SR80is at the beginning of the song, and then when  all the instruments kick in, just so well defined. So many speakers and headphones I've heard can't handle that song without turning the mids into mud. LOL

post #4817 of 25003
Hey its cel! Glad to hear you like the SR-80. I think the 225 will improve detail, resolution, etc but staging is still kind of 2D, if you 3D you want RS.

To the guy with the 325 - the pads need to break in out of the box. Like 10 to 30 hours of skin contact always does it for me, if that doesn't work you could try bagels or c-pads or various other hacks, but they will all change the sound.
post #4818 of 25003
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

Hey its cel! Glad to hear you like the SR-80. I think the 225 will improve detail, resolution, etc but staging is still kind of 2D, if you 3D you want RS.

 

I can live without improvement in the soundstage. If the detail and resolution is improved, that's great smile.gif

 

(Not ready yet to make the jump to $500 headphones--lol)

post #4819 of 25003
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Now I'm thinking I should get the SR225i instead. But I definitely don't want the high end to be any brighter. The extra bass would be nice (although I understand I can do the four hole mod on the SR80i to improve that). What I'm mainly looking for is a little more detail and soundstage. But I know if they are brighter, they will be too fatiguing for me. And I don't want to EQ them or chase the best sound by trying lots of different pads.

 

I know this might have been asked before, but what do you guys think? Is the high end any brighter than the SR80is? Or should I keep the SR80is?

 

The SR225i will sound like a nice upgrade if you're comparing stock SR80i vs SR225i. However, if you put a pair of L-Cush on your SR80i, then its sound becomes even clearer and better defined, much like the SR225i. SR80i with L-Cush ($20 mod) sounds very close to the SR225i, except the SR225i has just a bit more soundstage.

 

That said, I think the tad wider soundstage of the SR225i is to its detriment, as everything sound slightly less near to you than on the SR80i with L-Cush. In fact, it is for this very reason that I enjoy the SR80i with L-Cush more than the SR225i. But I'm likely in the minority opinion on this one.

 

For kicks, I once took the comfy pads (stock pads the SR80i) and put them on an RS1i. WHOA did that change things! It literally made the RS1i sound like a $100 dollar headphone - a SR80i to be exact! It was then that I truly understood the effect that different pads made on the sound of Grados. The L-Cush is a must on all Grados imo, except the ones that come stock with G-Cush, obviously.

post #4820 of 25003
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Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

 

The SR225i will sound like a nice upgrade if you're comparing stock SR80i vs SR225i. However, if you put a pair of L-Cush on your SR80i, then its sound becomes even clearer and better defined, much like the SR225i. SR80i with L-Cush ($20 mod) sounds very close to the SR225i, except the SR225i has just a bit more soundstage.

 

That said, I think the tad wider soundstage of the SR225i is to its detriment, as everything sound slightly less near to you than on the SR80i with L-Cush. In fact, it is for this very reason that I enjoy the SR80i with L-Cush more than the SR225i. But I'm likely in the minority opinion on this one.

 

Well, now you made my decision tougher. I would just as soon not spend the extra $80 if I don't have to. confused.gif smile.gif

post #4821 of 25003
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

Hey its cel! Glad to hear you like the SR-80. I think the 225 will improve detail, resolution, etc but staging is still kind of 2D, if you 3D you want RS.
To the guy with the 325 - the pads need to break in out of the box. Like 10 to 30 hours of skin contact always does it for me, if that doesn't work you could try bagels or c-pads or various other hacks, but they will all change the sound.

 

That's about how long it took for me (10 hrs) to get used to the sr325 stock pads. I did go through the process of washing them which seems to rinse away some of the abrasive particles.

post #4822 of 25003
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

 

Well, now you made my decision tougher. I would just as soon not spend the extra $80 if I don't have to. confused.gif smile.gif

Ah, I was trying to make your decision easier, actually. I'm saying the L-Cush pads, for $20, improve the sound of SR80i by like 20%. That's my impression, anyway. 20% sonic improvement for $20? No brainer to me.

Going from L-Cush'd SR80i to stock SR225i is hardly a 20% sonic improvement imo, though. In fact, it might be a technically better headphone, but I like the SR80i's sound more to be honest.

 

Grab a pair of L-Cush pads on Amazon for $20. Shipping will be somewhere around $5.00, so what I'd do is buy a cheap CD or something under $10 so that your order comes to above $25 and you get free shipping, since Amazon offers free shipping on orders totaling over $25 before shipping (on items fulfilled by Amazon, which the pads and most CDs are). You could think of it as upgrading your headphones for $20, and then buying a CD for $5 off.

post #4823 of 25003
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Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

Ah, I was trying to make your decision easier, actually. I'm saying the L-Cush pads, for $20, improve the sound of SR80i by like 20%. That's my impression, anyway. 20% sonic improvement for $20? No brainer to me.

Going from L-Cush'd SR80i to stock SR225i is hardly a 20% sonic improvement imo, though. In fact, it might be a technically better headphone, but I like the SR80i's sound more to be honest.

 

You aren't the only one to say this. MalVeauX has said pretty much the same thing (and more than once; I've seen him talk about this several times). If the drivers are equivalent, and the only difference is the metal grating on the back (which would affect soundstage) and the pads, then I'd probably be happy with the SR80is with the different pads. 

 

Are the drivers the same? I remember reading that they are for the SR60i and SR80i, but I though the SR225i has the driver from the SR125i? Too much to learn smile.gif

post #4824 of 25003

My opinion, the sr80is are designed to be used with the confies, they just sound artificially brighter with the Ls.


Edited by myears - 10/8/12 at 5:37pm
post #4825 of 25003
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post
Are the drivers the same? I remember reading that they are for the SR60i and SR80i, but I though the SR225i has the driver from the SR125i? Too much to learn smile.gif

The drivers are not equivalent. There are six (6) significant differences (not counting "measurements") between the 225i and 80i. These are all just objective differences. I won't make any comments on the value of the diffs but i will say IMO the 225i is worth it! As you get into the 325is and RS you start to pay for wood, metal and/or leather, which are all nice too (and worth it) but IMO not as important for SQ.

1. The 225 has closer matched drivers: 0.05% v 1% matched in the 80i.

2. The voice coils in the 225i are UHPLC copper. 80i use standard copper in the voice coils. The 225i drivers should be same tolerances as 325is and RS1i and Rs2i.

3. 225i has the big, thick 8 conductor cable which has twice the conductors (wires) as the thinner, standard cable that comes with the 80i.

4. the 225i has a 1/4" or 6.3mm TRS plug. The 80i has a 1/8 or 3.5mm plug. The 80i comes with a 6.3mm adapter. the 225i does not come with an adapter.

5. The 225i has wire mesh grils. The 80i has plastic grills with holes cut out. The metal grills allow more air flow, but you can remove the buttons from the 80i and increase airflow easily.

6. The 225i has bowls and the 80i has comfies. Bowls will cost you $20.

They are both good value. IMO you get what you pay for as you go up the SR line.


Edited by parbaked - 10/8/12 at 8:18pm
post #4826 of 25003
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

The drivers are not equivalent. There are six (6) significant differences (not counting "measurements") between the 225i and 80i. These are all just objective differences. I won't make any comments on the value of the diffs but i will say IMO the 225i is worth it! As you get into the 325is and RS you start to pay for wood, metal and/or leather, which are all nice too (and worth it) but IMO not as important for SQ.

1. The 225 has closer matched drivers: 0.05% v 1% matched in the 80i.

2. The voice coils in the 225i are UHPLC copper. 80i use standard copper in the voice coils. The 225i drivers should be same tolerances as 325is and RS1i and Rs2i.

3. 225i has the big, thick 8 conductor cable which has twice the conductors (wires) as the thinner, standard cable that comes with the 80i.

4. the 225i has a 1/4" or 6.3mm TRS plug. The 80i has a 1/8 or 3.5mm plug. The 80i comes with a 6.3mm adapter. the 225i does not come with an adapter.

5. The 225i has wire mesh grils. The 80i has plastic grills with holes cut out. The metal grills allow more air flow, but you can remove the buttons from the 80i and increase airflow easily.

6. The 225i has bowls and the 80i has comfies. Bowls will cost you $20.

They are both good value. IMO you get what you pay for as you go up the SR line.

 

Another note in favor of the 225 over the 325 is weight - the 225 is lighter.

 

oh - and with the savings, you can invest in an tube amp like the little dots I+


Edited by talisman42 - 10/8/12 at 8:25pm
post #4827 of 25003
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

The drivers are not equivalent. There are six (6) significant differences (not counting "measurements") between the 225i and 80i. These are all just objective differences. I won't make any comments on the value of the diffs but i will say IMO the 225i is worth it! As you get into the 325is and RS you start to pay for wood, metal and/or leather, which are all nice too (and worth it) but IMO not as important for SQ.

1. The 225 has closer matched drivers: 0.05% v 1% matched in the 80i.

2. The voice coils in the 225i are UHPLC copper. 80i use standard copper in the voice coils. The 225i drivers should be same tolerances as 325is and RS1i and Rs2i.

3. 225i has the big, thick 8 conductor cable which has twice the conductors (wires) as the thinner, standard cable that comes with the 80i.

4. the 225i has a 1/4" or 6.3mm TRS plug. The 80i has a 1/8 or 3.5mm plug. The 80i comes with a 6.3mm adapter. the 225i does not come with an adapter.

5. The 225i has wire mesh grils. The 80i has plastic grills with holes cut out. The metal grills allow more air flow, but you can remove the buttons from the 80i and increase airflow easily.

6. The 225i has bowls and the 80i has comfies. Bowls will cost you $20.

They are both good value. IMO you get what you pay for as you go up the SR line.

 

Thanks. That's helpful. smile.gif

 

I guess I'll go for the 225i then. If I don't feel it was worth it, I can always return it and get the SR80i.  

post #4828 of 25003
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

 

Thanks. That's helpful. smile.gif

 

I guess I'll go for the 225i then. If I don't feel it was worth it, I can always return it and get the SR80i.  

Go for it! Unless you're expecting a huge improvement in sound, I don't think you'll be disappointed with the SR225i.

 

If you're interested to read, here's my Grado journey thus far. It will explain why I recommended to stay with the SR80i and grab L-Cush:

 

When I was buying my first pair, I compared the SR80i to a few other models from different brands. I liked the SR80i the best, so I decided to just return them and pick up the SR225i, assuming it'd be better. I owned it for 6 months, then looked to upgrading. I settled on SR325is as I didn't so much like the PS500 I auditioned (mid-bass sounded unnatural), and felt the RS1i was way over-priced for the sound they offer (though I liked them a lot, just not $700-worthy...), and thought the SR325is was the best value to me at that time.

 

Skip ahead a month, and I ordered a pair of SR60i out of curiosity, mostly for the purpose of seeing if they were good enough to recommend to some friends. To my surprise, they sounded really great with L-Cush pads installed! In fact, in the process of a lot of A/Bing between SR60i and the SR225i and SR325is, I had to shake off the disbelief of what was happening: I enjoyed the presentation of the SR60i more than both the SR225i and the SR325is. I've since sold off the SR225i and SR325is, but until I found buyers, I'd occasionally pick up my SR225i or SR325is every few days and do a quick comparison between them and the SR60i to see if I was crazy. Every time, I could confirm I liked the SR60i better.

 

I might add, after discovering this revelation, and before selling the SR225i and SR325is, I ordered the SR80i, SR125i and MS1i for comparison's purposes. I had before me the entire Prestige Series and then the Alessandro MS1i for comparison's sake. For what it's worth my favorite two were the SR125i followed by SR60i (both with L-Cush). I kept the SR60i more out of principle, coming to the definitive conclusion that the Prestige Series really sounds similar enough to each other that I was not going to miss the differences or improvements of upper models if I were to stick with the SR60i. So that's what I did.

 

The SR80i, to me, sounds almost exactly like the SR60i except with more bass and maybe a tiny bit sharper highs. Overall a slightly more dynamic sound than the SR60i. But I was satisfied enough with the SR60i and felt it was a bit less fatiguing, so I kept it.

 

I wanted to directly compare the entire Prestige Series for two reasons:

1) To find out which headphone I liked the most. Well I found out, and it was SR125i. But they really all sound so similar that I knew that I wasn't going to miss the slightly more detailed, defined, and technically superior qualities of the higher models. I found sound-presentation is more important in the Prestige Series than technical qualities.

2) I wanted to be able to offer advice to others considering headphones in the lineup. Unfortunately, as stated in #1, I think it's really more about which headphone's sound-presentation is more pleasing to you than anything else. But that's hard to determine without side-by-side comparing them all for yourself. Therefore, because the differences in the lineup are subtle, I have to agree with MalVeauX that the SR60i with L-Cush pads are the smartest buy of the Prestige Series. SR80i with L-Cush if you want more bass for $20. Beyond that, go straight to the Reference Series or PS500, or Magnum drivers (which I've yet to hear, Oh I want to though!).

post #4829 of 25003
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Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

Go for it! Unless you're expecting a huge improvement in sound, I don't think you'll be disappointed with the SR225i.

 

I appreciate you sharing that post. And I think I have to try it, or I'll have buyer's remorse wondering whether I should have stepped up or not. At least this way, I'll know. Doesn't cost much to ship them back if need to. Small price to pay smile.gif

post #4830 of 25003
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

 

I appreciate you sharing that post. And I think I have to try it, or I'll have buyer's remorse wondering whether I should have stepped up or not. At least this way, I'll know. Doesn't cost much to ship them back if need to. Small price to pay smile.gif

Aye aye! You'll probably love the SR225i. Everyone on these forums seems to love them. Interestingly, I owned them first and for the longest, but after doing direct comparisons between them and the other models, I actually have to say they're one of my least favorite of the entire lineup.

 

Which means I'm weird, and you should take everything I say with a grain of salt. I'm in the overwhelming minority here... It makes me feel nuts. That, or my SR225i was simply subpar and I've yet to hear a true SR225i.

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