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post #3916 of 27808
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post


Ah, very well. beerchug.gif
And it did help to read that - I'm gathering that the PS-500 are indeed bassier and darker (graphs said this before I read that). I'm curious about your sound-stage comments though - how do they stack up against non-Grados?
I haven't heard PS-1000, but I would agree if you were saying GS-1000 vs RS-1. I think SR-60 or SR-80 vs RS-1 though, the RS-1 is better. IMHO once you hit the SR-225 it's all differences and marginal improvements (e.g. the RS-1 has a better soundstage, but is not "oh my god" a better headphone, I think the 225 has redeeming qualities, as KG Jag pointed out - they're more forward, the 325 are brighter, etc), but I don't think the same case can be made for the SR-60 or SR-80 even relative to the 225. And that was what I was responding to - SR-80 vs RS-1. I think it's entirely reasonable to assert that yes in fact some things are better than others, and I don't think it should mean "stepping on toes" or "hurting feelings" to do so; products are not an extension of anyone's being, and this "walking on eggshells to avoid hurt feelings" mantra doesn't help anyone at the end of the day (because if that's where we're going - "everything is the best and if you said it is, it is, so forget even asking about it" is the singularity). I did qualify, however, that I don't want to quantify "how much better" they are - because that's sticky. They cost *a lot* more, and whether or not a 7-fold price increase is worthwhile to you is where it becomes a personal preference decision - the SR-80 are "good" and the RS-1 are "better" but if $600 cash is "better still" to you, pocket the cash and rock on. On that note, Grado is one of the few manufacturers that has inexpensive offerings where this discussion is even relevant, which I think is a testament to their quality and performance.
 
I'm glad i could be of some help,but regarding the PS500's soundstage vs other brands,i have to admit,my memory's not very good,so i can't help you there,but i think that compared to other Grados,only the GS/PS1000 have a bigger soundstage than the PS500.
In a way we are saying the same thing,i  too think that the RS1i are better than the SR80i,i believe that up to a certain level,manufacturers have to ''cut a few corners'' in order to cater to the lower end market,and be competitive,however,when you get to about $500,it's very possible that someone might prefer the $700 RS1i to $1700 PS1000,
In the end it's all a matter of personnal preferences,and the most important thing is to be satisfied with what we have,i feel very fortunate to be able to choose among 4 pair of headphones,the one that's best suited for the style of music i want to listen too,it's nice problem to have.
 
 
post #3917 of 27808
Huddler won't quote your post, odd.

Anyways - I agree with the preference and satisfaction argument. I think that ~$500 bar is a pretty good dividing line; nothing I've heard over it really stands "apart" in terms of fidelity, they're all just "different." But many things under it can be all over the place in terms of quality. I'm sure now that I've said that, someone, somewhere, will release a crappy $600 product just to make a liar of me. rolleyes.gif
post #3918 of 27808
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Originally Posted by devouringone3 View Post

 

Well it has noise yes, but it's far from bad sounding. I am still comparing it to my my GT40, and more and more I can hear the differences between the two. It seems more bassy, less high-sy and detailed too (the HPA-1).

 

1000

 

You have way too many headphone amps,why don't you let me take that little black one off your hands.

post #3919 of 27808

Which headphone has better detail retrieval between the sr225i and sr325is? Thanks

post #3920 of 27808
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Originally Posted by PanamaHat View Post

Which headphone has better detail retrieval between the sr225i and sr325is? Thanks


325 in a walk.

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I'm not sure anymore if GT40 is more detailed... I'm not sure if it's more high-sy either. Every time I do the transition between both amps I feel like the HPA-1 has higher braking power (or surely it's just "raw power" here), and successfully give me the impression of a much fuller sound. With the GT40 I feel like the drivers are all over the place, like looking at a flabby impulse response graph, fatiguing, and that my impression of more highs and details in its sound is just an "illusion" created by it's lack of bass and horse power to drive the HP 1000. Don't get me wrong my GT40's bass is not lacking, I feel like it goes even deeper, though there's less of it probably due to impedance mismatch.

 

Oh yeah I haven't told you but I conduct all that testing with my HP-1000, so the HPA-1 is made to pair well. Regular Grados are way too sensitive to be used with HPA-1 (I can't hear the music! lol just kidding, but you get the idea), so I just plug them on my GT40 without thinking much. Can't wait to receive my impedance adapter though, to free me from the hiss and maybe increase the low-level details of my HPA-1? and be able to test further and with more headphones.

 

It will also increase the usable volume range of my two amps and enable lower listening levels, which my GT40 severely lack of.

 

 

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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post

You have way too many headphone amps,why don't you let me take that little black one off your hands.

 

Not a danger, j'y tiens comme à la prunelle de mes yeux ;). It's a souvenir from the one who sold me both my HP-1 and -2. I only wanted his HP-2 but he was in a dire need for money and he asked me to help him find another buyer for his HP-1 and amplifier, which I accepted "endorsing the role" of! He gave me a good price on both headphones but had no idea of the street value of the HPA-1, so I consider what I did like some kind of donation to his family. I said it previously, I basically paid the price Grado was selling it at the time, a huge scam (when you look at the price rate it was exchanged for a while ago on Head-Fi)... not strictly worth it (not in sound at least), though it will remain a 200 units only collector thing my collector self is glad to own.

 

Find yourself your own, in fewer words :P

 

 

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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post

325is

 

Yeah I also think it would be more detailed than a SR225i; metal cups hold the drivers more "solidly" in place, it squeezes more juice out of the orange.


Edited by devouringone3 - 7/28/12 at 11:23pm
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Yeah I also think it would be more detailed than a SR225i; metal cups hold the drivers more "solidly" in place, it squeezes more juice out of the orange.

 

I thought the drivers on the 325is were mounted in a plastic inner cup, like the rest of the Prestige Series, and only the outer cup is metal....

post #3923 of 27808

*metal cups hold the plastic inserts more "solidly" in place, which then contain the drivers more solidly into place, which allows for more juice to be squeezed out the orange.

 

Part of the solidity of the metal cups is transmitted to the drivers through the plastic inserts, in a way or another, at one point or another. Of course it's not as hard as a full aluminum alloy assembly, but in my head it's supposed to be better mechanically than just ABS plastic in terms of rigidity and all that scientific stuff.

 

Though, I personally I think that this different materials outer cups of the SR325is and SR225i accounts for almost nothing in the possible improvements in sound quality you get, if any. So I imply that if you perceive a difference in sound between the two, it will probably be due to a better or worst driver being given to you, more than the rigidity or softness of the metal or plastic cups.

 

But yeah as an advocate of the metal Grados I think that "theoretically" the harder the parts, the more inert the headphone, the more efficient the drivers/diaphragm, because less acoustic energy is absorbed/dissipated by the "headphone".


Edited by devouringone3 - 7/29/12 at 7:37am
post #3924 of 27808

That makes sense and explains why the 225 and 325 have a different sound given the drivers and cables should be close, if not the same "quality".

post #3925 of 27808
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Originally Posted by devouringone3 View Post

But yeah as an advocate of the metal Grados I think that "theoretically" the harder the parts, the more inert the headphone, the more efficient the drivers/diaphragm, because less acoustic energy is absorbed/dissipated by the "headphone".

Grado (both the guy and the company) has said as much as well. And CSD measurements of the SR-325 against the RS-1/2 support this claim too (despite that, I still think the RS sound better; measurements don't solve the world and all that). I think just by their production history, Sony also agrees with this notion (and Sony probably spends more on R&D for headphones than most headphone companies are worth) - they like magnesium alloys, carbon fibre, nanocomposites, and other super-rigid, super-stiff exotics.

Kinda wanna try the 325is or MS-2 again, against the RS-1 and ESPs. redface.gif
post #3926 of 27808
So what you guys are saying is, if you want to stick to more of the Grado house sound to go with the RS-1 or if you want a different spin on it look at the PS500?
post #3927 of 27808
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Originally Posted by asmoday View Post

So what you guys are saying is, if you want to stick to more of the Grado house sound to go with the RS-1 or if you want a different spin on it look at the PS500?

 

 Bingo smile.gif

post #3928 of 27808

The Grado SR house sound is the "wall of sound".  That is not at all what the RS cans give you.

post #3929 of 27808
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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post


325 in a walk.

I compared them side by side through the same high quality source and I thought the 325is was easily worth the extra money, build quality and sound quality.
post #3930 of 27808
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Originally Posted by KG Jag View Post

The Grado SR house sound is the "wall of sound".  That is not at all what the RS cans give you.

This.

If you like the Prestige sound, the 225 or 325 (or apparently the MS2, based on KG's comparison) are the "getting off point" - if you like the Grado house sound but want a solid 3D soundstage and more musical tonality, the RS-1 is where I'd point you. I haven't heard the PS-500, but trust the other guys talking about them (both because the three of them are usually on-target, and because they're all saying roughly the same thing).

I think the RS-1 is the logical evolution, but they do drop some of the forward-ness that the 325 will give you. I can understand people owning both, in an odd way.
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