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Jul 5, 2012 at 6:04 PM Post #3,646 of 65,420
Nice! Looking forward to hearing your impressions :popcorn:


Well right out of the box (after baking in 100*F summer sun) they were amazingly soft and comfy; they've had some time to cool off, and they're still fairly comfy but the pads firmed up a bit; nowhere near as bad as the ESW9 and other on-ears I've tried since the SR-225s. Might mess with the headband a bit on the clamp, but the pads are fairly soft and I now understand why people keep suggesting these for summer heat. The headband is more padded/comfy than I remember the 225s being - it's got some material inside of it. They feel fairly good in hand.

Sound impressions will have to wait, but I'm not hating what I'm hearing thus far. I think there might be a slight channel imbalance as well, but I might also be imagining it.

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Okay I think channel imbalance is in the recordings, not the cans - it seems to shift left to right (the first album I put on was left-heavy, I moved to another and it went to the right, now it's centered; etc) - I'm skeptical on Grado's "0.05 dB matching" claim, but I remember having similar scruples with a lot of the (incredibly mainstream and low production value based) music I enjoy listening to when I was using an outboard DAC as the driver for the MDR-SA5000. And the 950's spoil me with their dual VC.
 
Jul 5, 2012 at 7:47 PM Post #3,647 of 65,420
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Yes... forget about... using any other cushions than the stock bowl pads (except for the PS1000's / GS1000's)... all the rest just ruin the sound of Grados.  
 
And yes... if you don't like a pretty bright sound... then forget about... getting the SR325's.  

Have you tried the G cush with the PS500 ?
 
Jul 5, 2012 at 7:49 PM Post #3,648 of 65,420
Alright, initial impressions after an hour or two of listening (I just put the 950s on):

PRaT. That should be their name. No Grado, No Reference Series 1, just PRaT PRaT-1 by PRaT Labs. Nothing I threw at them seemed to trip them up, but anything that has an emotional component is instantly brought to the surface. They're bright, but not harsh, sibilant, trashy, etc - they walk a very thin line there. They don't fall off into the land of the PRO2900, T70, and SR-325 and get harsh and papery with sibilant/clashy sounding material, but they don't go the route of the MDR-SA5000 and end up sounding ice cold either.

Fit is actually really a lot better than I expected; the pads are fairly soft (and I think the heat had something to do with this; devouringone, or anyone else who knows - if I throw the pads in my dryer for a while will it loosen them up?), and they fit snugly. They clamp quite a bit, I tried bending the headband some, and it seemed to relieve it some, but I'm paranoid about breaking them apart in my hands (I've seen too many people do this with glasses :ph34r:); I'm assuming it will loosen with time though (just like the HD 580s' steel band did). It isn't really obtrusive, but it's a huge departure from the ESP/950s (which are as clampy as a wet noodle); they certainly stay on your head. I'm thinking 7-10 hour sessions are probably not feasible at this point, but it's not due to the sound.

Build quality on my pair is the best Grado I've actually yet seen (no idea how I rolled a 20 on that one) - the CJC, jack, extension bits, ear-cup joints, etc all look correct and there's no random crimps, solder burns, melted bits, etc that I'm kind of used to seeing on Grados (has their QC generally gone up in recent years?). The headband/gimbals are suitable for what they need to do, and despite the cable being thicker than a CAT6 patch cable it's incredibly flexible. The extension cable feels softer and more flexible though (I don't get why - according to the specs they're the same thing).

More into the sound, they really seem to hit the "more emotional and musical with details and speed" sweet-spot compared to the 950. Both are technically excellent, the 950s are more of the teacher's pet, the RS-1 more the class clown. Both attract a lot of attention and probably end up with good marks at the end of the day, but for opposite reasons. The RS-1 seem to be able to move relatively fast, but not quite with the effortless panache of the 950. The bass is boosted up a bit, and impacts relatively hard, but it decays quickly and is fairly tight - sort of what I imagine the PRO2900 is attempting to be. The treble is boosted up quite a lot, and still manages to be enjoyable. It's not "twangy" or "clashy" to the ears, it's just BRIGHT. But it's not a nuclear explosion bright (like the MDR-SA5000), it's more of a basking-in-the-summer-sun kind of radiance. The mids seem to be hit or miss, a lot like the 950 and F1 actually - tracks that I highly regard with those two are rendered beautiful, but tracks that lack a great string/vocal/etc presence are somewhat hum-drum. So they can do it, but it's really on the material being played. They don't seem as brutally unforgiving of compression as the F1s are (the F1s are honestly the pickiest headphones, speakers, etc that I've ever heard when it comes to compression artefacts - even the PRO2900 were more forgiving :eek:), probably more on-par with the ESP or K701 - if it's crap they'll let you know about it, but they won't ruin the entire experience if it can be helped.

Compared to the 950, they have a smaller stage, less effortless sound, and more involved overall presentation. The 950s, by contrast, seem "aloof" or "spaced out" running through the same material - sort of "yeah, I can do this, and do it right, but do I really NEED to; haven't I played this song once already? wasn't that time good enough?" Thus far they really do seem to complement each other - neither is really "wrong" but they're certainly not the same. Clamping aside I'm seeing these as definite keepers (and I wish I could remember if the 225s were clampy out of the box or not; I don't remember the pads being this soft).

Oh, and I STILL do not get the "Grados are the be-all end-all for rock" mantra. I don't feel like they do anything particularly world-changing compared to the family ESP or a few Ultrasone models; they're good, but c'mon...it's not live. I think it's just a disservice to them (and Grado cans in general) that they've been so completely type-cast as "rock cans" over the years; and I remember feeling similarly about the GS-1000 and SR-225 years ago. They do a lot more than Eddie Van Halen and Cheap Trick.

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So I put the RS-1s back on for a "quick moment" to test one track before turning in for the night. That was an hour ago. These have a new name, instead of PRaT - frome henceforth they shall be known as the Succubus. Literally, trivial concerns like time, work, eating, sleeping, personal hygiene, etc all seem immaterial compared to listening to these cans. :p
 
Jul 5, 2012 at 10:42 PM Post #3,649 of 65,420
Wow, great feedback! Makes me really want to hear a non-DOA pair and compare them to the PS500s. I totally agree with you about Grados being type cast. I've enjoyed many genres of music with mine and don't find them to be a one trick pony at all. 
 
Jul 5, 2012 at 11:51 PM Post #3,650 of 65,420
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Wow, great feedback! Makes me really want to hear a non-DOA pair and compare them to the PS500s. I totally agree with you about Grados being type cast. I've enjoyed many genres of music with mine and don't find them to be a one trick pony at all. 

 
I have compared both,and i find that the PS500,aside from their wider soundstage and deeper bass,are also more forgiving with less that pristine recordings,this is probably due to their slightly rolled off treble,wich i believe might be part of the reason why they do the ''disapearing'' act so well and let you enjoy the music.
 
Jul 6, 2012 at 2:10 AM Post #3,651 of 65,420
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I have compared both,and i find that the PS500,aside from their wider soundstage and deeper bass,are also more forgiving with less that pristine recordings,this is probably due to their slightly rolled off treble,wich i believe might be part of the reason why they do the ''disapearing'' act so well and let you enjoy the music.

 
My hunch is that the 500s are going to be closer to my own preferences, even though I do tend to like a brighter headphone. I loved how the RS-1s felt and looked, so hopefully I can spend some time with a properly working pair. The only real issue I could possibly have with the 500s are the looks...it's not a negative, I just think the RS-1s look so much classier. The 500s are pretty boring in comparison. But that's a small issue...sound quality and comfort are the two most important factors. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't wish the 500s looked more like the RS-1s. 
 
Jul 6, 2012 at 5:55 AM Post #3,652 of 65,420
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Have you tried the G cush with the PS500 ?

 
Yes... the G Cushions make the PS500 sound even more like the PS1000's, with a bit larger soundstage, and a bit more resolution and layering of the sound.  I don't know yet... whether I consider the change in sound worth the premium price of the G Cushions ($45) over the stock L Cushions (bowl pads).  Unless I "had money to burn" I don't think I'd suggest getting them - some may even prefer the more focused, less diffuse, sound of the L Cushions on the PS500's.
 
Jul 6, 2012 at 7:46 AM Post #3,653 of 65,420
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devouringone, or anyone else who knows - if I throw the pads in my dryer for a while will it loosen them up?

 
It has been said so! but myself I never wash them, lol, natural skin oil also softens them.
 
They say they throw them in the machine with the clothing, I think it's too harsh and will reduce their longevity. I would just let them sink under lukewarm water for 30-60 minutes.
 
I say stick to them more before doing anything, your ears&surroundings will get used to the sensation of Grado foam in almost no time! If your ears are touching the driver's wall do the shack hack mod with black Sennheiser PX100 replacement pads on eBay for 6.95$.
 
Build quality on my pair is the best Grado I've actually yet seen (no idea how I rolled a 20 on that one) - the CJC, jack, extension bits, ear-cup joints, etc all look correct and there's no random crimps, solder burns, melted bits, etc that I'm kind of used to seeing on Grados (has their QC generally gone up in recent years?).

 
People complain about Grado's QC when they break one of the gimbal of their SR60i while trying to disassemble it. I've never had any problem with Grado's QC.
 
Both are technically excellent, the 950s are more of the teacher's pet, the RS-1 more the class clown. Both attract a lot of attention and probably end up with good marks at the end of the day, but for opposite reasons.

 
LOL! :p !
 
Clamping aside I'm seeing these as definite keepers (and I wish I could remember if the 225s were clampy out of the box or not;

 
Dude I have trouble conceiving your problem with the clamping force, modern Grado headbands apply almost no pressure at all. Vintages do, and I've gotten used to it to the point I don't feel them on my head anymore.
 
Plus, RS1 is the second lightest after RS2, but they're really close. Their wood weight almost nothing.
 
Are your ears touching the driver's wall? That on the other hand is an intolerable source of discomfort, I would understand what you say better :p.
 
Oh, and I STILL do not get the "Grados are the be-all end-all for rock" mantra.

 
I think it's a myth. Tyll Hertsens once made a review about a Grado headphone and said "These are good for rock[*-ing]" (with your head, while wearing them), because they were lightweight, cool (breathy, looking), both, or something like that (he wasn't relating the sound or anything). Either he did a grammar mistake, or his message was misinterpreted. Tyll thinks that's how the infamous mantra would have gone into existence (a misunderstanding of one of his proposition, in a review he did); *although I just found out he's not too sure about it anymore.
 
Still, it's not exclusive, Grado does rock very well indeed, but I wouldn't put it to be its specialty.
 
NICE REVIEW MAN! :D
 
I really hope that they slowly grow on you and becomes a valued and appreciated complementary dear-to-the-heart piece in your collection. I entertain a deep emotional relationship with all of my Grados. They all have a soul, sound slightly different, etc. A Grado headphone is choice towards diversity and individuality. Their not cheap (or "not so cheap") mass produced goods you buy at Wal Mart.
 
 
 
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The only real issue I could possibly have with the 500s are the looks...it's not a negative, I just think the RS-1s look so much classier. The 500s are pretty boring in comparison.

 
I prefer the look of the PS500 because they are more low-profile. RS-1 sticks out. :wink:
 
 
 
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I'll attempt to get a comparative review put together after some careful A-B'ing.

 
I'm curious about your results! My ears are not sensitive enough to hear a difference.
 
They won't disappoint you, they will be a great addition to your collection!
 
 
 
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since the HP1000 have been increasing in value and WILL go up further. 
Don't feel sorry about your wallet in this case. 
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I also think that, more and more aggressive collectors like me, pcf, Zardon, buying them in quantities and putting them in a treasure chest, suffice to make them rarer.
 
The reputation of the HP 1000 is also untouched, and objective measurements are on his side.
 
Competition for NOS HP 1000 on eBay is quite something too. The pope paid 5500 dollars for his brand-new pair. That's right, Pope Benedict XVI listens to a HP 1000i.
 
Jul 6, 2012 at 9:07 AM Post #3,654 of 65,420
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Competition for NOS HP 1000 on eBay is quite something too. The pope paid 5500 dollars for his brand-new pair. That's right, Pope Benedict XVI listens to a HP 1000i.

 
I paid significantly less for my NOS pair.
 
Incidentally, do you have a source that shows Benedict XVI purchased / listens to the HP1000?
 
Jul 6, 2012 at 9:13 AM Post #3,655 of 65,420
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I paid significantly less for my NOS pair.
 
Incidentally, do you have a source that shows Benedict XVI purchased / listens to the HP1000?

 
Yes, Joseph Grado told it to some folks here... and he upgraded his pair to "i" lately, that was sent to him from the Vatican
 
I'm quoting the price from a phone conversation with Joe
 
I don't know if the Pope listens to it though, I hope he finds the time to
 
Jul 6, 2012 at 10:21 AM Post #3,659 of 65,420
Jul 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM Post #3,660 of 65,420
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Well, something shipped from the Vatican doesn't necessarily mean it's going to the Pope, but it's a cute story.

 
Sorry for being vague I guess; I meant "Pope + Vatican" both of them
 
I'm still clumsy orally in English, even more when it's with Joseph Grado on the phone. I don't remember what he told me around that point... that I could give you to make proof
 
He told me and pcf and probably others too, and I really don't think it's just a story. Joe has many cool friends
 
 
Dead as in "Weekend at Bernie's" dead? 

 
Yes
 
I mean *No! lol
 

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