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post #16411 of 18498
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Originally Posted by music101 View Post

Noob questions: please rank these grados from brightest to darkest: 60e, 80e, MS1i/e?

Also, I'm getting conflicting info about the MS1i/e? Some say they are equivalent to the 80. Others say they are rebadged 125's.

To confuse matters further, some say the MS1i is just as bright: others say they are darker. Can anyone clear up the confusion?


joseph is correct here

i had the same question and spoke to the folks at hound dog amps about this :

MS1i-SR80i -  sounds closer to the 125(he said, i haven't heard the 125)

MS2i-SR325is - i find the ms2 one of the best values in the whole grado family, joseph and i have discusses this before, he finds them brighter than i do, i love the ms2

MS Pro-RS1i  not heard, and haven't heard too many impressions

post #16412 of 18498

I asked this question on the main board and got zero replies. I figure direct questions scare those people so I will ask here. I am looking at two amps (or classes of amps) the Schiit Lyr and/or the Wa6 and/or Wa6SE or Wa2. So this boils down to a question between Woo and Schiit. While the specs for the Lyr are better (by quite a lot) than the Woo amps, it would seem that people like the Woo amps better. I am sure a number of you have heard both, is this true or just more popularity than actual better sound? Amplifiers in particular seem to perform up to their specs more so than transducers so I find it perplexing that the Woo would be preferred over the better measured performance of the Lyr. Having said that I still put a lot of value in the opinions I get here and will do so again. I have never heard a Woo and have no way of getting one to audition so I am hoping some of you who own or have owned one can chime in here.

post #16413 of 18498
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post
 

I asked this question on the main board and got zero replies. I figure direct questions scare those people so I will ask here. I am looking at two amps (or classes of amps) the Schiit Lyr and/or the Wa6 and/or Wa6SE or Wa2. So this boils down to a question between Woo and Schiit. While the specs for the Lyr are better (by quite a lot) than the Woo amps, it would seem that people like the Woo amps better. I am sure a number of you have heard both, is this true or just more popularity than actual better sound? Amplifiers in particular seem to perform up to their specs more so than transducers so I find it perplexing that the Woo would be preferred over the better measured performance of the Lyr. Having said that I still put a lot of value in the opinions I get here and will do so again. I have never heard a Woo and have no way of getting one to audition so I am hoping some of you who own or have owned one can chime in here.

Well as you know I've owned/own 2 different Woo amps WA6/6-SE…the only problem is the only amp from Schiit that I own/heard is the Magni/Modi for my desktop, which is a nice satisfying sound. But that really doesn't help you out being you are looking to compare higher models than the Magni. As you know I do love the Woo amps, and have had my small share of amp, pre-amps to listen out of, and I would by a Woo again any day…like I just did…again!

Oh, and I know a way for you to demo a 6-SE if you would like lol!!!

post #16414 of 18498
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Originally Posted by kvtaco17 View Post
 

 

I've always loved Tool... Decent on the RS1... better on the PS500.


Are the differences between the RS1 and PS500 immediately apparent?

 

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Regarding all the "E" hype, going from the 225i to the RS1i-I've decided that the improvement from any "i" to "e" would have to be significantly more apparent/noticeable than the difference from the 225-RS1 (for me) to justify an upgrade in the future. Just looking at all the upgrades I've considered for my headphone and speaker rig, I just think you get to that point of diminishing returns. You know, you get a nice DAC for say-$500-800 and then you might have to double that investment to get a marginal improvement.

 

Playing, "what if"......paying full retail for anything price wise above say a 325 for a 5% improvement isn't cost affective IMO. But, I'm all about carefully purchasing gear that significantly perform above their price point-Asgard-2, LD1+ and the 225 being examples of my own gear.

 

Upgrading a very good RS1i or PS500 for a 5% improvement that require multiple A-B listens and scrutinizing seems silly to me. But, maybe the difference will be more substantial

 

But, I guess for folks who have had their gear for a while and sell it-say you sell an RS1 and maybe get $500 for it, then you're just out $200. But, a question comes to mind, what is the value of any of the older "i" series? For instance, if one wanted an LCD-2 w/ fazor (on my want list) what would be the market value of the old LCD-2. My thinking is that if you want fazor and are saving upwards of 1K (or for that matter a RS1e), you won't settle for less.

 

So, will folks w/ older models end up selling them for half of their value or something.....?

 

Who knows :popcorn:

 

I guess, my feeling is there will always be something newer and shinier and prettier.

post #16415 of 18498

I've owned the Schiit Lyr (with some nice tubes), the Woo WA7 and now the WA6.  Have to say that I prefer the WA6 over the others.  While the Lyr is impressive spec and power wise, it was not nearly as engaging as the Woo's.  The WA7 was a little better but I considered it more of a sidegrade even with the EH tubes. For me, the WA6 brings body and life to the music.  It has become fun and ejoyable again with the equipment disappearing and the music being the focus.  That's something that specs will never tell you.  You have to hear it for yourself.

Setups..

- Schiit Bifrost Uber/Lyr

- Woo WA7 with built in USB DAC and Rega DAC (much preferred) - would love to hear the RS1i out of the WA7 - think it would be a great match

- Woo WA6 (Sophia Princess) and Naim DAC V1

 

Note that this may not an apples to apples comparison as I'm running a Naim DAC and paired with the Lyr or WA7 may be a different story. These are all with the HD800.  For my RS1i, I still prefer it out of the Naim DAC over the WA6.

To be really honest, I could have lived with any of these setups long term.  HeadFi Upgraditis got in my way.

YMMV :)

 

 

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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post
I am looking at two amps (or classes of amps) the Schiit Lyr and/or the Wa6 and/or Wa6SE or Wa2. So this boils down to a question between Woo and Schiit. While the specs for the Lyr are better (by quite a lot) than the Woo amps, it would seem that people like the Woo amps better.

Edited by MickeyVee - 6/26/14 at 6:58am
post #16416 of 18498
See above post ^
+1
post #16417 of 18498
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post
  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

TTVJ starting next week is giving the opportunity to check out some of the new Grado's. I tried to copy the link but I couldn't for some reason.


Dude, thanks to you, I will be trying out the GS1000E's next week.

 

I owe ya one, and anyone thinking about trying out the E series cans should jump on this right away!

post #16418 of 18498
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- Woo WA7 with built in USB DAC and Rega DAC (much preferred) - would love to hear the RS1i out of the WA7 - think it would be a great match

 

Is the DAC out of the WA7 really that subpar?!?!?! i mean for $1000 I would expect at least something that's better than, say, a Dragonfly.

Would love to hear how it sounds with an RS1

 

better to ask here than on the fanboy-infested Woo fan page :p 

post #16419 of 18498
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post
 


Are the differences between the RS1 and PS500 immediately apparent?

 

Yes they are polar opposites...

post #16420 of 18498
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post
 

I asked this question on the main board and got zero replies. I figure direct questions scare those people so I will ask here. I am looking at two amps (or classes of amps) the Schiit Lyr and/or the Wa6 and/or Wa6SE or Wa2. So this boils down to a question between Woo and Schiit. While the specs for the Lyr are better (by quite a lot) than the Woo amps, it would seem that people like the Woo amps better. I am sure a number of you have heard both, is this true or just more popularity than actual better sound? Amplifiers in particular seem to perform up to their specs more so than transducers so I find it perplexing that the Woo would be preferred over the better measured performance of the Lyr. Having said that I still put a lot of value in the opinions I get here and will do so again. I have never heard a Woo and have no way of getting one to audition so I am hoping some of you who own or have owned one can chime in here.


i've had the lyr, and the wa6, both good, great really, just a little different ,

i think i'd consider my likely course in owning headphones is going to go

if i have a lot of different cans in and out all the time,(like me ?? lol) the lyr is hard to beat, its good with everything i think, maybe not the best

but really good.

the wa6 is awesome, if i new i was only going to have say grado's, i might choose it.

so, to answer your question, i say "it depends"  hope that helps lol

post #16421 of 18498
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post
 


Are the differences between the RS1 and PS500 immediately apparent?

 

I demoed them both with Dylan's Desolation Row (great to test out gear IMO, has a bit of everything) and Tool's Lateralus (great drum work), and here are my thoughts:

 

PS500 are more smooth/forgiving which gave me the impression they were a little darker sounding. This can mean to some that they are also a bit more revealing, as they are more balanced sounding. Having owned the 325is before, nearly everything else would be smoother, i guess.

 

But... 

 

As soon as i heard those electro-acoustic solos with the RS1s i immediately dropped the PS500s and got the RS1s instead. They are more aggressive than the PS500, which i think enhances rock n roll; aggressive but not 325 bright, if it makes any sense to you. I just find the RS1s so intoxicating (in a good way) specially for modern music like rock and pop. Not so much for classic music though, as you'll end up foot tapping even to Chopin piano solos.


Edited by Duartisimo - 6/26/14 at 8:34am
post #16422 of 18498

i'm sure by now i'm kinda down on the list, but i've put in for a loaner gs1000e from TTVJ. fingers crossed !!

post #16423 of 18498
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Originally Posted by Duartisimo View Post
 

I demoed them both with Dylan's Desolation Row (great to test out gear IMO, has a bit of everything) and Tool's Lateralus (great drum work), and here are my thoughts:

 

PS500 are more smooth/forgiving which gave me the impression they were a little darker sounding. This can mean to some that they are also a bit more revealing, as they are more balanced sounding. Having owned the 325is before, nearly everything else would be smoother, i guess.

 

But... 

 

As soon as i heard those electro-acoustic solos with the RS1s i immediately dropped the PS500s and got the RS1s instead. They are more aggressive than the PS500, which i think enhances rock n roll; aggressive but not 325 bright, if it makes any sense to you. I just find the RS1s so intoxicating (in a good way) specially for modern music like rock and pop. Not so much for classic music though, as you'll end up foot tapping even to Chopin piano solos.


Were you listening to the "e" series?

post #16424 of 18498
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post
 


Were you listening to the "e" series?

No, those were the "i" series.

post #16425 of 18498
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post
 


i've had the lyr, and the wa6, both good, great really, just a little different ,

i think i'd consider my likely course in owning headphones is going to go

if i have a lot of different cans in and out all the time,(like me ?? lol) the lyr is hard to beat, its good with everything i think, maybe not the best

but really good.

the wa6 is awesome, if i new i was only going to have say grado's, i might choose it.

so, to answer your question, i say "it depends"  hope that helps lol

Jay-so reading your tea leaves-would it be fair to say that the Lyr is one of the better bang for buck? Speaking for those like me who are pretty judicious about spending over $500 for anything unless it's transformative.

 

Alternately, if my RS1i's are killer-which they are-for me to spend 1K on somethiing else or , if like my LD1+ which I do-for me to drop $500 or more for something different-I would be looking for jaw dropping/angels singing/ lights of heaven moment :ksc75smile: 

 

Something a A LOT better.

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