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post #14476 of 18472

Well Joseph add this to your dac information database. I ordered a super fancy USB cable, gold plated, blessed by the pope and dabbed with at least 1/2 oz of holy water. I tried it this evening, first of all I did hear a difference which shocked me as I was one of those who didn't think USB cables would change much, but...I like the sound of my $6.99 Blue Jeans Special better. The odd thing is the levels seem to be higher (louder) with my original cable, which may account for why I think it sounds better, but nothing accounts for why it should be louder. Bass seems tighter and transients a lot snappier with my cheapo cable. I think I am done with cable upgrades for a while. Spend a couple hundred dollars on 10 cables just to find that one magic bullet...no thanks. But..now I have one heck of a printer cable..gold plated, blessed by the pope...

post #14477 of 18472
USB cables just transmits digital data guys.. It's always the same 0's and 1's. - I'm not getting in any discussion, just saying =)
post #14478 of 18472
People really underestimate the power of psychoacoustics. Many really want to believe that they can't be fooled by psychoacoustics too but it's really hard. I know I fall victim to it all the time.
post #14479 of 18472

I took a class about psychoacoustics earlier this year, and it is fascinating how our mind can fool us!  For example, there have been studies with professional wine tasters: they couldn't tell the difference between white and red wines.  They could tell they were different, but they couldn't indicate with any higher accuracy than the average person which was which.  Even with high-end cables, many people can tell differences, but couldn't say which they really liked more.  Interesting stuff.

 

And concerning the comment about waiting for burn-in time, I have had my SR325is, and I feel they are still burning in a bit.  Might be my ears getting adjusted, but I played around with EQ some, and it seems they are getting a little less hard/harsh in the treble.  These are deff cans for the long haul though!

post #14480 of 18472
If you want to experience burn-in, listen to your music for 10 mins with no EQ then repeat with the treble boosted 10dB. It will be uncomfortable at first but gradually the effect will lesson (although it may never sound good). Now return to flat EQ and repeat the same 10 minutes of music and you'll immediately notice how muffled your music sounds. By the time 10 mins is up it will sound normal again.

IME burn-in is all in the brain.
post #14481 of 18472

Just saying, I learned my lesson but as with all things, I had to do it myself, just once. No so sure about the burn in thing, I can listen to my Senns for an hour and I still think my RS2i sound better as soon as I put them on..<G>

post #14482 of 18472

I'm listening to my Sony-801ES > Bitfrost Uber > WA6…using the (optical input), when I press play/skip or when the Cd is changing tracks my Bitfrost is clicking/chattering erratically and loudly until the music starts. If I pause the music the Bitfrost continuously clicks/chatters erratically, until I press play/stop..this can't be right has anyone experienced this??? this clicking/chattering is only coming from the Bitfrost, I do not hear it through the headphones or while the Cd is playing.


Edited by joseph69 - 5/5/14 at 8:40pm
post #14483 of 18472
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

If you want to experience burn-in, listen to your music for 10 mins with no EQ then repeat with the treble boosted 10dB. It will be uncomfortable at first but gradually the effect will lesson (although it may never sound good). Now return to flat EQ and repeat the same 10 minutes of music and you'll immediately notice how muffled your music sounds. By the time 10 mins is up it will sound normal again.

IME burn-in is all in the brain.

IME, with all my Grados they needed burn-in, especially the RS1i's/PS1000i's without a doubt. They need to open up and tighten up to put simple. I do agree with having to get use too the differences in sound from different models though.


Edited by joseph69 - 5/5/14 at 8:16pm
post #14484 of 18472
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

I'm listening to my Sony-801ES > Bitfrost Uber > WA6…using the (optical output), when I press play/skip or when the Cd is changing tracks my Bitfrost is clicking/chattering erratically and loudly until the music starts. If I pause the music the Bitfrost continuously clicks/chatters erratically, until I press play/stop..this can't be right has anyone experienced this??? this clicking/chattering is only coming from the Bitfrost, I do not hear it through the headphones or while the Cd is playing.
I know it pops or clicks when changing tracks , when using the optical connection and doesn't if usb is used im not sure the constant pops between the music
post #14485 of 18472
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post


I know it pops or clicks when changing tracks , when using the optical connection and doesn't if usb is used im not sure the constant pops between the music

So you've experienced this with the optical only, but with the USB it doesn't do this?

And I didn't order mine with the USB, because I prefer the optical.

It actually sounds like a relay is chattering while the laser in the Cd player is reading the track. I don't see why this should happen while its on pause though.

post #14486 of 18472
I never used optical but on the schiit thread someone was asking about the noise ,I emailed Jason, because mine didn't make noise , he said usb doesn't but optical does
It says something about it on the schiit website
post #14487 of 18472
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Originally Posted by jaywillin View Post

I never used optical but on the schiit thread someone was asking about the noise ,I emailed Jason, because mine didn't make noise , he said usb doesn't but optical does
It says something about it on the schiit website

OK, thanks for the info, I read the site about the Bitfrost, but I don't remember reading about this, I'm going to read it again. Tell you the truth I'm not too happy with this noise…especially when the Cd is paused because it is constant!

Thanks Jay.

post #14488 of 18472
I retired from Colorado to Arizona so that my San Diego sweetheart could get out of the cold. I'd been looking all over for a place to listen to all the grados at once. I was checking out the McIntosh dealer for the new headphone amp here in the Phoenix AZ valley and OMG!!! They are an authorized grado dealer. They have the full grado line up in there audition rooms. I got to listen to everything from the sr60i to the ps1000 via the rs1 rs2i gs1000 on an 80 grand McIntosh set up with 10 grand turntable Amy Grand sounded out of this world. Tube preamps with rows of tubes, burrbrown chips with no gitter a every thing a Grado fan dreams of. PURE NIRVANA OF SOUND. One major check off my bucket list. All the grados in one sitting multiplied by the best amps. I'm not associated with them in any way but I highly recommend stopping by their Tempe or Scottsdale AZ store and make an appointment for a listen to Grado heaven.
post #14489 of 18472
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

OK, thanks for the info, I read the site about the Bitfrost, but I don't remember reading about this, I'm going to read it again. Tell you the truth I'm not too happy with this noise…especially when the Cd is paused because it is constant!
Thanks Jay.

It's the mute relays. They do that. I wouldn't be concerned about it (I think they reference it in the FAQs), but the USB doesn't do that because the pausing/muting is handled differently, if I remember right.
post #14490 of 18472
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Originally Posted by hsubox View Post


It's the mute relays. They do that. I wouldn't be concerned about it (I think they reference it in the FAQs), but the USB doesn't do that because the pausing/muting is handled differently, if I remember right.

Yeah I just read it in the (FAQ's), and it is normal, but it doesn't state it only does it with the optical input…they state it as doing it no matter what input. You and Jaywillin both have said it doesn't do it with the USB, but Schiit doesn't tell you that! If I would have known this (I didn't read the FAQ), I would have ordered the USB upgrade, and there goes another $150.00 just too get rid of that annoying clicking, especially while the CD player is on pause when it is constant. Tomorrow I need to hear if it does the same thing with my MBP as the music source. I'm really not thrilled with this, especially switching over too the USB for the $150.00 just too get rid of the clicking…its almost like a gimmick IMO. I'll see what happens…I'm almost considering returning it and trying the Peachtree DAC-itx I'm so aggravated. Thank you for the info also, I appreciate it.


Edited by joseph69 - 5/5/14 at 9:33pm
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